coberst Posted August 25, 2009 Report Posted August 25, 2009 Why does the fluttering red cape prevail? The confident Matador flutters the red cape, the massive bull charges, energetically hooking empty air in bewilderment. Please be reasonable! Let us reason together. There was no reason for that. What do we mean by these common expressions? Ignoring the fact that these are generally just common exclamations by most of us that are meaningful only in their emotional content; what is the source of our indication of reliance on ‘reason’? “The decay of decency in the modern age, the rebellion against law and good faith, the treatment of human beings as things, as the mere instruments of power and ambition, is without a doubt the consequence of the decay of the belief in man as something more than an animal animated by highly conditioned reflexes and chemical reactions. For, unless man is something more than that, he has no rights that anyone is bound to respect, and there are no limitations upon his conduct which he is bound to obey.” Walter Lippmann Western democracies have invested in a concentrated effort to establish a ‘confidence in reason’ because it is assumed by the sophisticated that reasoning is the principal factor that makes humans different in kind from other animals. A popular adage goes something like this “I cannot argue down a conviction that has not been argued up.” It is impossible for me to use reason to convince someone who is without confidence in reason that they should have confidence in reason. An adult without confidence in reason must start the effort to study reason before they can gain a confidence in reason. Perhaps that is impossible also. Perhaps it is the case that an adult without a confidence in reason will never have confidence in reason. I suspect that 95% of the adults in the US have no confidence in reason and if my logic is correct they never will have that confidence. If that does not depress 5% of the population then nothing will. Perhaps it will delight the other 95%. Further thought leads me to modify that statement. The 95% without confidence in reason do in fact have some confidence in reason. They do recognize that as an instrument to gain a goal reason is necessary. What can we say about the 95% and reason? I guess we can say that they often have confidence in reason but that confidence is restricted to a limited aspect of life. Is a person capable of having confidence in reason when that person is almost completely ignorant of the nature of reasoning? “Confidence in reason is based on the belief that one’s own higher interests and those of humankind will be best served by giving free play to reason…The very idea of reasonability becomes one of the most important values and a focal point in one’s life. In short, to have confidence in reason is to use good reasoning as the fundamental criterion by which to judge whether to accept or reject any belief or position.” Quote from Critical Thinking: What every Person needs to Survive in a Rapidly Changing World Paul and Elder. A person who lacks confidence n reason might place their trust in: 1) Charismatic leaders2) Institutional leaders3) Corporate leaders4) Spiritual leaders5) Social leaders6) Political ideologies7) Gut feeling8) Fate9) Astrology10) Parents Quote
lemit Posted August 26, 2009 Report Posted August 26, 2009 I don't quite know where to start. Do you know the primary definition of "reason?" You used it in your example, "There was no reason for that." This is the definition of "reason" from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: 1 a : a statement offered in explanation or justification <gave reasons that were quite satisfactory> b : a rational ground or motive <a good reason to act soon> c : a sufficient ground of explanation or of logical defense; especially : something (as a principle or law) that supports a conclusion or explains a fact <the reasons behind her client's action> d : the thing that makes some fact intelligible : cause <the reason for earthquakes> <the real reason why he wanted me to stay — Graham Greene> Your definition of "reason" is a connotation, a secondary meaning. But using that secondary meaning, The Age of Reason is what gave us our system of government and that modern civilization you apparently think is more cruel than history. Tell that to the descendents of slaves. Tell that to the descendents of those killed by plagues. Oh, wait. I guess you can't. (For that matter, tell me the constant pain of post-polio is better than having the vaccines to prevent it.) There are "reasons" people are better off. Those "reasons" are in part institutional leaders, corporate leaders, spiritual leaders, and social leaders. Science can create cures, but those other people are the ones who get the cures to the people who need them. I'm curious about your final statement:A person who lacks confidence n reason might place their trust in: 1) Charismatic leaders2) Institutional leaders3) Corporate leaders4) Spiritual leaders5) Social leaders6) Political ideologies7) Gut feeling8) Fate9) Astrology10) Parents I think you probably used number 7 to come up with your 95/5 split and the logic which flows from it, none of which I accept. What would you have us do? It seems to me that the Reason you suggest we should follow is given to us by those same institutional leaders, spiritual leaders, and social leaders you want to protect us from (the ones who want to protect us from disease). Where do we get the knowledge that informs wisdom, which is what I think you meant by Reason? I don't quite know what to say about your inclusion of parents on the list, except that you should be ashamed of yourself. Do you realize that every time you write one of your imperious posts you seek to become a spiritual or social leader? If you will just stop writing, you'll lessen the danger of becoming one of those spiritual or social leaders and maybe then by your, uh, reasoning, we can pay more attention to what you have to say. I think I'll withhold further comment until then. --lemit Quote
coberst Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Posted August 26, 2009 An oligarchy controls public policy in America. The oligarchy consists of those who manage the great wealth of American institutions. This oligarchy designs our educational system to graduate good producers and consumers and does not desire independent thinkers. CA (Corporate America) has developed a well-honed expertise in motivating the population to behave in a desired manner. Citizens as consumers are ample manifestation of that expertise. CA has accomplished this ability by careful study and implementation of the knowledge of the ways of human behavior. I suspect this same structure applies to most Western democracies. A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions. The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy. In America we have policy makers, decision makers, and citizens. The decision makers are our elected representatives and are, thus, under some control by the voting citizen. The policy makers are the leaders of CA; less than ten thousand individuals, according to those who study such matters. Policy makers exercise significant control of decision makers by controlling the financing of elections. Policy makers customize and maintain the dominant ideology in order to control the political behavior of the citizens. This dominant ideology exercises the political control of the citizens in the same fashion as the consuming citizen is controlled by the same dominant ideology. An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions. An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen. Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen. If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost. This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT. “Thomas R. Dye, Professor of Political Science at Florida State University, has published a series of books examining who and what institutions actually control and run America. to understand who is making the decisions that affect our lives, we also have to understand how societies structure themselves in general. Why the few always tend to share more power than the many and what this means in terms of both a society's evolution and our daily lives. they examined the other 11 institutions that exert just as powerful a shaping influence, although somewhat more subtle: The Industrial, Corporations, Utilities and Communications, Banking, Insurance Investment, Mass Media, Law, Education Foundation, Civic and Cultural Organizations, Government, and the Military.”Newsletter Info Quote
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