And deliver me from all evil

[coberst]

And deliver me from all evil

 

That which promotes life is good that which promotes death is evil.

 

“Evil lies not in the hearts of men but in the social arrangements that men take for granted.”

 

Wo/man lives a debased life under tyranny and self delusion because s/he does not comprehend the conditions of natural freedom.

 

Sapiens need hope and belief in themselves; thus illusion is necessary if it is creative for life but is evil if it promotes death.

 

A psychodynamic analysis of history displays saga of death, destruction, and coercion from the outside while inside we see self-delusion and self enslavement. We seek mystification. We seek transference; we seek hypnotists as our chosen leaders.

 

We seek the power to ward off big evil by reflexively embracing small terrors and small fascinations in the place of overwhelming ones.

 

Freud was the first to focus upon the phenomenon of a patient’s inclination to transfer the feelings s/he had toward her parents as a child to the physician. The patient distorts the perception of the physician; s/he enlarges the figure up far out of reason and becomes dependent upon him. In this transference of feeling, which the patient had for his parents, to the physician the grown person displays all the characteristics of the child at heart, a child who distorts reality in order to relieve his helplessness and fears.

 

Freud saw these transference phenomena as the form of human suggestibility that makes the control over another, as displayed by hypnosis, as being possible. Hypnosis seems mysterious and mystifying to us only because we hide our slavish need for authority from our self. We live the big lie, which lay within this need to submit our self slavishly to another, because we want to think of our self as self-determined and independent in judgment and choice.

 

The predisposition to hypnosis is identical to that which gives rise to transference and it is characteristic of all sapiens. We could not function as adults if we retained this submissive attitude to our parents, however, this attitude of submissiveness, as noted by Ferenczi, is “The need to be subject to someone remains; only the part of the father is transferred to teachers, superiors, impressive personalities; the submissive loyalty to rulers that is so widespread is also a transference of this sort.”

 

Freud saw immediately that when caught up in groups wo/man became dependent children once again. They abandoned their individual egos for that of the leader; they identified with their leader and proceeded to function with him as their ideal. Freud identified man, not as a herd animal but as a horde (teeming crowd) animal that is led by a chief. Wo/man has an insatiable need for authority.

 

 

‘Why are groups so blind and stupid?’ Freud asked; and he replied that mankind lived by self delusion. They “constantly give what is unreal precedence over what is real.” The real world is too frightening to behold; delusion changes this by making sapiens seem important. This explains the terrible sadism we see in group activity.

 

Sapiens display a need to be hypnotized by leaders.

 

Psychology is a domain of knowledge that is complex and filled with concepts that are completely unfamiliar to the vast majority of our population. But Psychology provides us with an insight into why humans do what they do that no other domain of knowledge can provide.

 

Sapiens are at heart slavish. Therein lay the rub, as Shakespeare might say.

 

Humans seek to be more than animals. We seek to be gods or at least propagate that level above animal and just below God.

 

Quotes from Escape from Evil by Ernest Becker

[Rade]

The root of all evil is when humans use other humans as a means to an end without permission.

[Turtle]

The root of all evil is when humans use other humans as a means to an end without permission.

 

we call that greed. :evil:

[Rade]

we call that greed. :evil:

Yes, but greed only one form of evil as I defined it.

[Turtle]

Yes, but greed only one form of evil as I defined it.

 

erhm, perhaps you thought so, but that is a mistake. :eek_big: you gave a specific type of greed and greed is the generalized principle rooting all evil. further on the matter of your mistakes, your sentence is lacking a verb. :evil:

[Rade]

further on the matter of your mistakes, your sentence is lacking a verb. :cup:

Indeed, and since you appear to have an interest in such matters, next time begin your sentences with a capital letter. If person A uses person B as a means to an end to harm person C to benefit of person B, no greed involved since person A gains nothing in excess, yet an example of evil action. So you error, greed is not "the generalized principle rooting all evil".

[Turtle]

Indeed, and since you appear to have an interest in such matters, next time begin your sentences with a capital letter. If person A uses person B as a means to an end to harm person C to benefit of person B, no greed involved since person A gains nothing in excess, yet an example of evil action. So you error, greed is not "the generalized principle rooting all evil".

 

:cup: no; i'll begin with lower case.

 

greed - definition of greed by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

greed

n.

An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves,...

 

your person A has an excess desire to acquire control over people. qed

[Rade]

your person A has an excess desire to acquire control over people.

It is not necessary that person A has excess desire to "acquire control" of B or C--perhaps act is motivated by revenge and desire to punish, perhaps out of defense of person D unknown. Suppose person A has excess desire to know if person C loves them, and uses person B without their knowledge to get the answer. Do we say in this example person A is greedy, of course not, yet it is an act of evil.

[lemit]

Maybe just a little evil now and then?

 

--lemit

[Turtle]

It is not necessary that person A has excess desire to "acquire control" of B or C--perhaps act is motivated by revenge and desire to punish, perhaps out of defense of person D unknown. Suppose person A has excess desire to know if person C loves them, and uses person B without their knowledge to get the answer. Do we say in this example person A is greedy, of course not, yet it is an act of evil.

 

:P by definition excess desire is greed. if your first A is not excessive in desire then there is not greed. your second A is greedy because you ascribed excess to the desire. your arguments come as weak & flacid as coberst's op. evil is as evil does. :)

[lemit]

Is the title of this supposed to be a quote of "The Lord's Prayer?"

 

If it is, I think the insertion of the word "all" might be significant. It says pretty much the same thing, but somehow adding that extra word makes it scan worse and also seems to beg the question of just how much evil we want to be delivered from. Asking deliverance from evil is a simple and obvious wish. Why complicate it? (I'm not joking this time.)

 

--lemit

[Rade]

:) by definition excess desire is greed.

You attempt to reduce the cause of ALL EVIL ACTS TO GREED--you are incorrect. The root cause of all evil acts is the action of using another as a means to an end--this action does not need to be motivated by "excess desire", it may, it may not.

[coberst]

Is the title of this supposed to be a quote of "The Lord's Prayer?"

 

If it is, I think the insertion of the word "all" might be significant. It says pretty much the same thing, but somehow adding that extra word makes it scan worse and also seems to beg the question of just how much evil we want to be delivered from. Asking deliverance from evil is a simple and obvious wish. Why complicate it? (I'm not joking this time.)

 

--lemit

 

Good point.

[Turtle]

You attempt to reduce the cause of ALL EVIL ACTS TO GREED--you are incorrect. The root cause of all evil acts is the action of using another as a means to an end--this action does not need to be motivated by "excess desire", it may, it may not.

 

nuh uh. :) :P :cup:

 

to coberst: please learn to use the hypog quote tags

. there is no telling from your op what is the quoted material and what is your own writing. i wouldn't want to decry the wrong guy. :)

[coberst]

nuh uh. :hyper: :lol:

 

to coberst: please learn to use the hypog quote tags

. there is no telling from your op what is the quoted material and what is your own writing. i wouldn't want to decry the wrong guy.

 

I use standard punctuation. Quotation marks "" enclose all quoted material. Have our schools stopped teaching this standard?

[Turtle]

to coberst: please learn to use the hypog quote tags.

 

I use standard punctuation. Quotation marks "" enclose all quoted material. Have our schools stopped teaching this standard?

 

we're not at school. we are online at hypography and the standard of using Quote-tags is here for you to see, critically analyze, and implement. feel free to ask for help if it is not clear.

 

if this were school/non-web work, then quotation marks alone won't do; a superscripted footnote or endnote number is also de rigueur.

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[UncleAl]

And deliver me from all evil

. Nonsense. Sign a pact with the Devil and all the pressure is off. Everybody talks big about piety, sobriety, and chastity, but nobody wants the package installed real time.

 

Look at US Congresscritters. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

 

But Psychology provides us with an insight into why humans do what they do that no other domain of knowledge can provide.

Psychology, like political science, economics, meteorology... is crap unless you are on the green-receiving side .