Moontanman Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Is it possible that at the end of the Cretaceous period the mass extinction we now believe was caused by or at least exacerbated by an asteroid impact and helped by the huge outflow of magma in the Deccan Traps was actually caused by intelligent dinosaurs? Could a species of anthroposaur really have caused the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous much like humans have caused a mass extinction at the end of the tertiary period? Anthroposaurus Sapiens. The Dinosaur Heritage. AskWhy! Publications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 :) anything's possible. that said, the siberian flood basalts are related to the permian extinctions, not the cretaceous. as far as intelligent as in like us goes, hardly likely else we would suredly have recovered/found some of their technology. :hyper: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 :hyper: anything's possible. that said, the siberian flood basalts are related to the permian extinctions, not the cretaceous. as far as intelligent as in like us goes, hardly likely else we would suredly have recovered/found some of their technology. :) That should have been the Deccan Traps :) sorry about that. Recovering some of their technology depends on how technological they were. If they never made it to the machine age I doubt we would see anything. I'm not sure how much of our technology would be apparent after 65 million years. It's also possible that our disposable civilization isn't the only way to do it. It might very well be they were much better at making things that were biodegradable and recovering and reusing that which was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 More on intellegent dinosaurs: How intelligent dinosaurs conquered the world : Tetrapod Zoology http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r012100b.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 at least you had the courtesy to put this nonsense in silly claims. i'll do you the courtesy to evaluate it in that vein. :hyper: given all the serious mysteries to explore, this line of thought is a stupendous waste of time. i read your first link and it is so full of non sequitars that i can't imagine anyone beyond fifth grade coming up with it. not even worth the virtual ink to rebutt it. good grief. :):) /forums/images/smilies/banana_sign.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Turtle, do you not have a funny bone? Don't you ever discuss things that are probably not true but they are fun to think about the possibility of anyway? I was amazed at how much stuff I could find on the subject of the possibility of intelligent dinosaurs. Spoil sport, at least I did put it in silly claims. What Really Wiped Out The Dinosaurs? - Dinosaur extinction - io9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 BTW could a mod correct my spelling of intelligent in the title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Turtle, do you not have a funny bone? Don't you ever discuss things that are probably not true but they are fun to think about the possibility of anyway? I was amazed at how much stuff I could find on the subject of the possibility of intelligent dinosaurs. Spoil sport, at least I did put it in silly claims. What Really Wiped Out The Dinosaurs? - Dinosaur extinction - io9 don't be ridiculous moocanman. you know my rapier wit as well as any. :) the short answer to your second question; seldom if ever. as i said; there's a butt-load of worthy stuff to ponder. to quote my friend roger; "those who can't count, don't count. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 don't be ridiculous moocanman. you know my rapier wit as well as any. :) the short answer to your second question; seldom if ever. as i said; there's a butt-load of worthy stuff to ponder. to quote my friend roger; "those who can't count, don't count. :) there's a butt-load of worthy stuff to ponder Not lately! The silly season is nigh! Turtles are such cute little rascals, hard headed, but cute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boerseun Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Okay - let's think about it for a second: The only intelligent species capable of having a global impact on life that we know of, so far, is us. So what will be left of us and our vaunted intelligence in 65 million years? Imagine another intelligent species come to the fore in 65 million years, long after humans have died a collective suffocating death in extreme heat caused by Global Warming. Naturally, they would assume that in the long run of Life on Earth they are the first clever beings to live here. Would there be any evidence at all of humans ever having lived here? I doubt it. There will be nothing left of the pyramids, nothing of the Boulder, Aswan or any other dams. The only evidence might be mountain passes that have been blasted out to make way for tarmac, or vast open-pit mines like the diamond mines of Russia and South Africa. Some future geologist might invent some fancy explanations for it, however, because inferring an intelligence that lived 65 billion years in the past will be a bit out there. If they were to find our footprints on the moon, they would probably assign it to extraterrestrial intelligence, because where else would it come from? That said, I suppose we don't have any real hard evidence as to the potential for any saurian intelligence or not. We can only infer that they were dumb as bricks from what we know of biology today, and drawing comparisons. We don't know if there was a saurian species who lived in great big cities of shiny glass and steel, and visited the moon, because first of all, there would be nothing left of them if they ever did build cities, and secondly, the moon is a big place, and we haven't really been looking for dinosaur footprints on the moon. But the final clincher (in my book, at least) is that the evidence that goes with the mass extinction of 65 million years ago which you want to blame the dinos for, is geologic in nature. If the dinos caused that, then they weren't intelligent and able on our scale. They must have been close to God-like in order to manipulate the planet on that scale. We're mere gnats compared to that capability. And I think that's a bit far-fetched, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeztar Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 This reminds me of "The World Without Us". It's unlikely that the human legacy would survive a million years, much less 65 of them. :) Though, I've never heard of coprolites with enigmatic computer chips or even chemically treated toilet paper. Surely they must have had that?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Turtles are such cute little rascals, hard headed, but cute. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 But the final clincher (in my book, at least) is that the evidence that goes with the mass extinction of 65 million years ago which you want to blame the dinos for, is geologic in nature. If the dinos caused that, then they weren't intelligent and able on our scale. They must have been close to God-like in order to manipulate the planet on that scale. We're mere gnats compared to that capability. And I think that's a bit far-fetched, at least. Actually there is a school of thought that says we are indeed causing a mass extinction on a par with the extinction at the end of the Cretaceous. If you looked back from 65 million years in the future the mass extinction going on now would indeed look as sudden as the end of the dinosaurs looks to us. The Earth's 6th Great Mass Extinction is Occurring as You Read This -A Galaxy Classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 B) Chicken fried Snapping turtle, mmmmmuuummm good stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 This reminds me of "The World Without Us". I was thinking that too. As I recall, its author was on the Daily Show and said that luckily for his wife she is a bronze sculptor and bronze survives nearly indefinitely. Also, plastics wouldn't biodegrade. I guess it's possible that an intelligent culture capable of causing a mass extinction didn't manufacture bronze or plastic or anything else which would survive, but it seems so incredibly unlikely. Wouldn't it be funny though if an paleontologist was uncovering a dinosaur and found a fossilized wristwatch or maybe holding a bronze weapon B) ~modest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larv Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 My Uncle Freddie was an intelligent dinosaur. He could count to five on one paw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I was thinking that too. As I recall, its author was on the Daily Show and said that luckily for his wife she is a bronze sculptor and bronze survives nearly indefinitely. Also, plastics wouldn't biodegrade. I guess it's possible that an intelligent culture capable of causing a mass extinction didn't manufacture bronze or plastic or anything else which would survive, but it seems so incredibly unlikely. Wouldn't it be funny though if an paleontologist was uncovering a dinosaur and found a fossilized wristwatch or maybe holding a bronze weapon B) ~modest I think that the ability of plastic to last forever is much exaggerated. Over a time span of millions of years plastic will degrade, bronze is another matter but I notice our landscape isn't exactly littered with bronze implements either. Since this thread needs a devils advocate I will do so and point out that "lack of evidence isn't evidence of lack" (Sagan) There are reports of things called ooparts. Out of Place artifacts, some are quite extraordinary but like many things of that nature the idea of their very existence is cause to scoff. No matter how well documented can you imagine how difficult it would be to convince people you had found a bronze sword in a layer of Cretaceous rock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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