Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 OK here is my Question. Why is the universe the way it is , why are planets rotating,starts shining,stars forming black holes, who gets what if they don't exist.Why it all looks like its an art ? i mean couldn't it just be a massive empty space,with the present just matter in it in an unordered state? why its all in ordered state, even life itself is in ordered state, if you cut a alive body into a half why it dies? why life itself is in an ordered form? Quote
Chacmool Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Wow, that's a ton of questions! What is your opinion on these matters? Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 Wow, that's a ton of questions! What is your opinion on these matters? Actually there is only one question there. why is everything in an ordered state right from Universe to a single atom to a life.In small "why is everything in the Universe in an ordered form"? My opinion , i really don't know, just guessing and posting would make me look like a 1 grader.Will post only when i think the answer is correct and find no other answers myself. Quote
Zythryn Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 The matter and energy in the universe follow certain rules (i.e. gravity, chemical interactions, etc).The things you ask about (planets rotating, stars shining, etc) happen as a result of these properties of mass and energy and interaction of different objects.On a more philisophical level, if the universe were not the way it is you probably wouldn't be here to ask the question:D Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 The matter and energy in the universe follow certain rules (i.e. gravity, chemical interactions, etc).The things you ask about (planets rotating, stars shining, etc) happen as a result of these properties of mass and energy and interaction of different objects.On a more philisophical level, if the universe were not the way it is you probably wouldn't be here to ask the question:D What makes the Universe to follow those properties , why doesn't it brake it? Quote
Boerseun Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Well, the simple answer is that if the universe was any different, you would have asked exactly the same question! Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 You guys are joking about this question and probably this question is asked more often, i think Quote
Moontanman Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 This is not a joke, if the laws of the universe were different you wouldn't be here to ask the question. That is quite basic, now if you are asking why the laws are like they are then there are several answers from multi-verses to ID. some say there is reason to think the laws can be no other way others say we just happen to be in a universe that allows our existence and that there either are or may have been an infinite number of universes that do not allow the development of life or intelligent life and so no one is there to ask the question. No one is joking or poking fun at you. Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 This is not a joke, if the laws of the universe were different you wouldn't be here to ask the question. That is quite basic, now if you are asking why the laws are like they are then there are several answers from multi-verses to ID. some say there is reason to think the laws can be no other way others say we just happen to be in a universe that allows our existence and that there either are or may have been an infinite number of universes that do not allow the development of life or intelligent life and so no one is there to ask the question. No one is joking or poking fun at you. Thanks Sir, According to your answer, the multi verse theory might answer most of the questions of the universe , since it answers why universe is obeying these laws.But if Multiverse theory were true then for every instance of event there will be splitting of that Universe into 2 universe like a binary system, 1,2,4,8,16... etc . But according to Einstiens theory Mass can neither be created nor be destroyed, then how is that the whole Universe is created into 2 for every event? Quote
Moontanman Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 I apologize, I've confused you, the idea of the multi-verse i am referring to says there are either a infinite number of universes whose laws different from each other or that the universe resets its laws each time it repeats. The idea of every decision branching off another universe is a different idea and your question of where the mass would come from is a good one. But not relevant to why our physical laws are the way they are since each branched universe would have the same physical laws when it branched off at each decision. Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 OK Sir, I got your point of Multiverse relating to the obedience of physical properties to the Universe.But if every new Universe were to have the same Physics properties then why is the necessary of splitting? Because it is the change of some sort of law that will make that new universe unique or else it will be the same since no law isn't changed? am i correct?i am just very very curious of the Multiverse theory. Also were all the infinite Universe Created during the Big Bang or are they being created even now? Quote
Pyrotex Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 Actually there is only one question there. why is everything in an ordered state right from Universe to a single atom to a life....Because everything is NOT in an ordered state! Order is rare in the universe. Crystals (like diamonds and rubies) are rare, because crystals are ordered. Chaos is MUCH more common in the universe. Offhand, I would say, atoms and crystals probably represent 99.999% of ALL order to be found in the universe. Your problem may be that your definition of 'order' may be out of whack with reality's definition. :) Quote
Pyrotex Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 You guys are joking about this question and probably this question is asked more often, i thinkIt may sound like we're joking, but we're not. Most people do not ask this question at all. Probably because the question is flawed -- it is self-referential to some degree. Your question is part of the universe. So, in effect, you are asking: "Why does this question appear the way it is?" Questions like that have no appropriate answers. Quote
Moontanman Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 First of all I'm not really sure that multi-verse theory really deserves the moniker of theory from the science point of view. There is no supporting evidence, no way to prove or disprove it. Hypothesis might be a better way to describe it. In the idea of a new universe branching off every time a decision is made would by necessity mean each new universe has the same laws since the new universe is identical except for the decision that was made. The other idea is that each time the big bang occurs the physical laws of the universe are reset. Another version says there are an infinite number of big bangs each with different laws but so far apart in space and time they never interact. Yet another is that a multi dimensional universe allows for a great many branes, each brane is a universe with different laws all interacting with another brane in a way that imitates a big bang from our 4d point of view. or that there is only one brane like ours that the laws reset each time the branes collide. Of course it just might be possible the universe is a one shot deal and the laws have to be the way they are for reasons we don't yet understand. Not being a real expert i suggest you try a few links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Membrane_(M-Theory) Brane cosmology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia SPACE.com -- 'Brane-Storm' Challenges Part of Big Bang Theory Goddard Multimedia Item 10137 - Brane Theory of Multiple Dimensions Higher Dimensions in Superstring and M-Brane Theory - Unexplained - IN SEARCH FOR TRUTH - RIN.RU Multiple Big Bang theory: Universe at... - Cosmology - tribe.net JMJones0424 and Chacmool 2 Quote
modest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Posted October 29, 2009 A bat hangs up in a belfry thinking what an exquisite thing was made just for him and clipper ships make glorious homes for the barnacle. Neither a multiple worlds interpretation of QM nor cyclical cosmology are necessary as a solution to the anthropic principle. I just flipped a coin a dozen times and it came up: [H T H H H T T T H T H H]. What is the probability that my coin-flipping would have that specific outcome? The probability of each flip coming up the way it did was 0.5. There were 12 tosses making what happened 0.512 or one chance in 4,096. So, it is extremely unlikely that a person can flip a coin 12 times and get those specific results. Likewise, it is extremely unlikely that the universe could randomly choose physical constants that are exactly suited for human life. If the density of the universe were a little less or a little more then Earth-based biology would be impossible. But, I did flip a coin 12 times and I did get the exact results I listed above. The probability is one. It is not unreasonable or unlikely that it happened—it did happen! And, humans did evolve in this universe. It is not unreasonable that the physical laws of the universe unfolded in an anthropic-friendly way. The probability is one—it did happen! Only by assuming that the universe started with a desired outcome of humanity is the anthropic principle paradoxical. Only if I set out to flip a coin in this exact sequence [H T H H H T T T H T H H] would the result be unexpected or fantastic. That I wrote down the sequence after it happened is not fantastic at all. ~modest Ask for what end the heav'nly bodies shine. Earth for whose use, Pride answers, "Tis for mine" :) Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 It may sound like we're joking, but we're not. Most people do not ask this question at all. Probably because the question is flawed -- it is self-referential to some degree. Questions like that have no appropriate answers. the question is not flawed. it is an ambiguity. the question is simply 'why does our universe follow those physics laws' . did these laws existed before the big bang or were formed during the big bang ? If they were formed before Big Bang then nobody will have an answer and then the question is flawed. If they were formed during big bang then what created those laws? Quote
Time_Travel Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Posted October 29, 2009 It is not unreasonable that the physical laws of the universe unfolded in an anthropic-friendly way. The probability is one—it did happen! If there were only 2 physics laws the HEADS and TAILS theory of probability would have worked fine. There are tens of hundred's of physics laws, starting right from quarks,electrons etc,etcThose couldn't have just happened by a flip of a coin probability? or did they?Even if they did , by a flip of coin probability why did our Universe chose them to keep and still continue to use them? couldn't it flip another coin and use a new one? Quote
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