Violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy

[googlesironman]

My first post in any forum...so please excuse and correct me if this is not the place for it.

 

Please see this video at YouTube... YouTube - FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

 

Its quite clear what is happening but I cannot figure out what is wrong - Conservation of Energy cannot be violated and yet, unless the video is a fake, I see something my brain tells me should not be possible.

 

Please comment on this.

[JMJones0424]

Very interesting video! The process involved in heating the fluid is called hydrodynamic cavitation

 

Here is a brief description from the company that makes the product, Hydro Dynamics, Inc.

 

I can't do the math required to adequately answer your question regarding greater than 100% efficiency, but I suspect it might have something to do with the water source being pressurized.

[Turtle]

regardless of the claim, there is no such thing as "over-unity" energy. :phones: period.

 

the problem i see in the video is the steam produced is not doing any work, just spraying out of the outlet pipe into the room. i suspect if you capped that, i.e. piped it to do work in a turbine for example, the steam pressure would build up in the combobulator and stop the inflow of fresh water.

[UncleAl]

1) Time is homogeneous.

2) Noether's theorems.

3) Mass-energy is locally conserved.

 

There are no exceptions, modality is irrelevant. Analogy: potential energy is (mass)g(height), where g is the local gravitaton acceleration, about 9.81 m/sec^2. Path to height is irrelevant coming or going or anywhere in-between. It makes no difference what is being hoisted or falling, its composition, or if a shaman is farting "Flight of the Bumblebee" as it occurs.

 

Do not invest in a venture that violates a conservation law.

[lemit]

I don't for a second believe the video. If they had claimed something minimal, maybe, but 70% over the energy input? No. Also, can anybody find the complete video, instead of this fragment? Where is it from?

 

Let me explain this another way. I just came up with this invention that will make energy companies much wealthier than they ever could have imagined. They could build industrial-size machines just like this, hook them up to the power grid, and just watch the money roll in. I'll sell you the plans for $20.00.

 

You get what you pay for.

 

But welcome to Hypography anyway.

 

--lemit

[freeztar]

I don't for a second believe the video. If they had claimed something minimal, maybe, but 70% over the energy input? No.

 

Anything above 100% (energy in/energy out=1) is fault in measurement.

[TheBigDog]

If the steam can power a generator that powers the electric engine and the steam is recovered and reboiled in a closed environment, and you are generating more power than required to run the engine, and no water is lost, then lets talk. This is cool, but it is not over unity unless that can be sustained.

 

Bill

[googlesironman]

It was a good day for me when I chanced upon this website. Thank you all.

[lemit]

I should clarify something. When I said a number smaller than 70% might have been acceptable, I meant a number within a margin of error. I was trying to differentiate between honest error and dishonest claims.

 

--lemit

[CraigD]

I’m confident the video is authentic – that is, of a machine powered by an electric motor that heats water to steam - but the voiced-over claim doesn’t look to me to be supported by what the video shows.

 

Judging from the amount of water shown condensing on the floor beneath the jet of steam, the machine appears to be heating on the order of 0.1 L/s. The steam looks fairly cool (it might even consist partially or mostly of mist at a temperature under 100 C), so a reasonable estimate of the average temperature increase of the water is 100 C.

[math]\frac{0.1 \,\mbox{L} \cdot 100 \,\mbox{C}}{1 \,\mbox{s}} = \frac{10 \,\mbox{kcal}}{1 \,\mbox{s}} \cdot \frac{4190 \,\mbox{}}{1 \,\mbox{kcal}} = \frac{41900 \,\mbox{J}}{1 \,\mbox{s}} = 41900 \,\mbox{W}[/math]

 

Though its hard to tell from looking at a video, and I can’t find precise specifications at Hydro Dynamic’s website, that site describes it as a 460 VAC TEFC motor. Comparing to manufacturer’s website images such as this suggest that it could have more than 75000 W (100 HP) output.

 

So, as we’d expect, like any known physically real thing, this machine appears to consume more power than it produces.

 

It’s revealing, I think, that Hydro Dynamic’s website describes their machines as offering “superior mixing of fluids and/or scale free heating”, with no mention of being a “fuelless heater” or anything that violates the known laws of nature, nor anything resembling the narrator’s tale of an inventor “struggling to bring his spare-time enthusiasm into a serious business.” According to its website, Hydro Dynamics has been in business since 1991. Although its machines have been applied to tasks as varied as pasteurizing egg, their main application appears to be in the manufacturing of biodiesel, specifically the transesterification step, which requires high heat and pressure to produce at a commercially viable rate.

 

In short, I think the machine is real, the video is real, but the added audio is a hoax. It’s suspicious, I think, that no one speaking in the video mentions any of the extraordinary claims made by the audio narrator.

[googlesironman]

@CraigD: Quote...In short, I think the machine is real, the video is real, but the added audio is a hoax. It’s suspicious, I think, that no one speaking in the video mentions any of the extraordinary claims made by the audio narrator....Unquote

 

Sir, By posting this reply, I do not wish to insinuate that the persons who took the trouble to see the video, do the necessary research, and take the trouble of posting replies were all wrong, but of all the people who have replied to this question, you have been most diligent in your research (so far). Hats off to you.

I think that the answer is quite clear (unless someone else wants to claim differently) and for the sake of saving server space (fortunately or unfortunately thats a character quirk I have - frugality) I vote that we end this thread and discussion here.

Thanks to all