What flag is that?

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I was reading this from another thread,

 

Also some argue that Columbus could have been associated with the Templars due to the ships sails being white with a red cross on them. Also where he came from has a history of the Templars.

 

does anyone know, or find a source saying, if Spanish ships of that era were commonly adorned with the order of christ cross?

 

~modest

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Might help to consider his origins, he was a citizen of Genoa according to Wikipedia. It had a flag similar to that description.

[Turtle]

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does anyone know, or find a source saying, if Spanish ships of that era were commonly adorned with the order of christ cross?

 

~modest

 

still checking, but here's what i have so far.

 

this page has a number of images of spanish ships of the time. >> Columbus's Sailing Ships

 

it does not reference the images' origins & i see no crosses in those images like the cross you linked to. what i see is no crosses on sails, or Patonce Crosses , or maltese crosses.

 

here's a list of more crosses with histories than you can jab a stick at. All Crosses

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Might help to consider his origins, he was a citizen of Genoa according to Wikipedia. It had a flag similar to that description.

 

You mean the origin of Columbus?

 

I know Columbus' personal flag had a cross like the one you see on the ships,

 

Santa Maria

 

Columbus' Flag

 

But, Columbus' was green and the other red and I assumed (maybe incorrectly) that the sails on the ships would be generic Spanish sails as they were on Spanish ships. I don't think they were Columbus' ships nor that the sails would have been made specifically for him.

 

From what I read, Portugese ships of that time commonly had the order of Christ cross as a relic of the knight's templar, but I can't find anything about Spanish ships having them.

 

still checking, but here's what i have so far.

 

this page has a number of images of spanish ships of the time. >> Columbus's Sailing Ships

 

it does not reference the images' origins & i see no crosses in those images like the cross you linked to.

 

Interesting, those renditions don't have the cross on the Santa Maria, Nina or Pinta. Humm... perhaps we should have first established that the ships really did have the crosses that are commonly seen on their renditions today. Maybe they didn't :Alien:

 

what i see is no crosses on sails, or Patonce Crosses , or maltese crosses.

 

Indeed.

 

Some wikipediaing informs that two of the ships were Caravels. Apparently,

A 'caravel' is a small, highly maneuverable sailing ship developed in the 15th century by the Portuguese to explore along the West African coast and into the Atlantic Ocean. The lateen sails gave her speed and the capacity for sailing to windward (beating). Caravels were much used by the Portuguese and Spanish for the oceanic exploration voyages during the 16th and 17th centuries in age of discovery.

I would naively think that the Spanish and Portuguese adorned their sails differently, but perhaps not so much... ... and perhaps sometimes not at all...

 

here's a list of more crosses with histories than you can jab a stick at. All Crosses

 

Very good... looking through them now...

 

~modest

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...I would naively think that the Spanish and Portuguese adorned their sails differently, but perhaps not so much...

 

 

 

Very good... looking through them now...

 

~modest

 

gotta turn in for the night but i ran across forumesque discussions saying in one case spain & portugal used different crosses, and in another case saying columbus' ships would have had "standard" spanish red & white striped sails. i'll spare you any links as the claims were unsupported and i closed the tabs already. :Alien: guten nacht...erhm...buenas noches. :Alien:

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I was reading this from another thread,

 

 

 

does anyone know, or find a source saying, if Spanish ships of that era were commonly adorned with the order of christ cross?

 

~modest

 

From what I've read, it was only in area's where the Templars had a strong hold, like Portugal. Christopher Columbus' father-in-law was a former Templar Knight.

 

"One of the organization's stronger outposts was in Portugal, and it is there we see one of the Templar Crosses. When the Templars were abolished, the Orders in Portugal changed their name to the Knights of Christ; hence the symbol's name Order of Christ Cross which was proudly flown from the masts of Portuguese ships during their colonisation and expansion from Europe to the rest of the world."

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From what I've read, it was only in area's where the Templars had a strong hold, like Portugal. Christopher Columbus' father-in-law was a former Templar Knight.

 

"One of the organization's stronger outposts was in Portugal, and it is there we see one of the Templar Crosses. When the Templars were abolished, the Orders in Portugal changed their name to the Knights of Christ; hence the symbol's name Order of Christ Cross which was proudly flown from the masts of Portuguese ships during their colonisation and expansion from Europe to the rest of the world."

 

Yeah, that's what I had read as well. Were the ships from Portugal the crosses on the sails would make more sense to me.

 

~modest