Cosmic joke: Hubble's law

[lbiar]

A universe in expansion according to Hubble’s law is impossible.

 

Hubble’s law say that at double distance double speed.

 

Here I make an example with 1,2,3 km/hour where we need 1 hour to see each km (suppose they are light years, we need 1 year more to see each light year more). So in 1 hour we see only object at 1 km, to see the object at 2 km we need 2 hours, … (you can change km/hour by lightyear/year but I think is more easy work in km/hr).

 

So objects with speed of 1,2,3 km/hr are at 1,2,3 km according to Hubble’s law.

 

In 1 hour we see the object that expands at 1 km/hr (in the universe the distance and time are also in relation).

 

The object that travel at 2 km/hr need 2 hours to see it, so in that time (2 hour) it would see visible at 2×2+2 = 6 km (2 km x 2 hr + 2 km for initial distance).

 

But how it’s at 6 km we need 6 hour to see, in that time (6 hour) it would be at 6×2+2 = 14 km. By that that object (light, ..) never would be showed.

 

Also we need to add the speed in any distance (distance – speed according to Hubble’s law): the object at 2 km, travel 1/2 hour at 2 km/hour, then it’s already at 3 km and by that travel at 3 km/hour near half hour, then it’s a 4 km and by that travel 1/4 hour at 4 km/hour, then it’s at 5 km and travel at 5 km/hour and so, …. so really in 2 hour it would be at more that 6 km.

 

By that Hubble’s law is incompatible with expansion.

 

How I say in point 1, 1 object that travel at 1 km/hour, in 1 hour is at 1 km, in 2 hour is at 2 km and by that would be compatible with Hubble’s law, but don’t increase the speed, by that also incompatible with Hubble’s law that relations distance – speed.

 

more in: Arguments « The universe does not expand

 

Please say me where are the error (this is how a opposite ask: I made a affirmation and want you say the error).

 

Thanks. (I need your help to find errors).

[lbiar]

I put here my new work:

 

 

 

2 – The Hubble’s law only is possible how an optic effect

 

d /t = (d/2) / (t/2) = (d/4) / (t/4) = constant speed

 

According to Hubble’s law more distance more speed, but in universe the distance also is time.

 

A star at (d/4) need (t/4) to arrive the light to us (d/4 = lightyears of visual universe/4 = 13.7 billion lightyears that need t/4 to arrive to us = 13.7 billion years.

 

The star a (d/2) would to have double speed of that of (d/4) (distance - speed) and so how speed is d/t it need to be at double speed (d/4) / (t/4) = (d/2)/(t/2) so 2x is d/(t/2) how by light speed we can only to see distance of (d/2) this light would be not visible.

 

Also with another relation (d/8), … and by that hubble’s law only can to be in a universe without expansion how an optic effect.

 

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3 – The expansion of the universe according to Hubble’s law and homogeneity only would to be at light speed

 

The Hubble’s law relation distance with speed, the mainstream admit it for expansion, but admit for expansion incremental and homogeneous, here the mainstream has an error.

 

The expansion of the universe cannot be at same time homogeneous: 50-50-50-50 (need for homogeneity and isotropy – 50 is expansion + stretch and at double distance the speed is the same) and incremental speed: 5-4-3-2-1 (next t/4: 6-5-4-3-2) or visual: 1-2-3-4 (need for Hubble’s law and redshift in relation with distance).

 

Incremental expansion is how 4 cars at 1,2,3,4 km/hr, incremental is according to Hubble’s law (distance-speed) and redshift with distance, but it’s against homogeneity (more distance more little and less distances).

 

Homogeneous expansion is according to homogeneity, but against to Hubble’s law and redshift, in this the distances and size are equals, but all with the same speed: is how 4 cars all at 5 km/hr at distances of 5,10,15 and 20 km. This takes the actual expansion 5 and homogenize all equals with relation expansion + stretch, all add equal 100+0 = 75+25 = 50+50 = 25+75 = 0+100 = 100, so distances are 5-5-5-5, all have the same speed = 5/(t/4) (next t/4: 6-6-6-6). Speed = distance/time = 5/(t/4)= 10/(t/2)=15/(3t/4)=20/t = constant speed.

 

In homogeneous only stretch can to be according to Hubble’s law, but this also is not possible:

 

Stretch possibles: (considering 100-100-100-100 for easy adjust).

 

25-50-75-100% – this seem ok but here 100% is not c (light speed), is speed, so the only form possible would be if speed is light speed, but in this case the speed is in all points and we don’t see any star.

 

Really incremental expansion also cannot be according to Hubble’s law how I write in 2

 

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Thanks.

[Boerseun]

Ibiar, you have now posted this very same post in four threads.

[lbiar]

Ibiar, you have now posted this very same post in four threads.

 

Please, close 3 or theirs.

 

I have an error or a change, where arrange, all, only 1?

 

When I initiate the threads was with different titles and information, but later all theirs are equals by adding new things.

 

Sorry.

[lbiar]

I delete the option 1 (universe size), is error.

 

Sorry and thanks.

 

Also add:

 

2 – The expansion of the universe only can to be at light speed

 

We see the objects at near lightspeed (point 1: quasar and background) if the universe expand how says the theory they would be invisible (the universe “expands uniformly in all directions” ), so the only one possibility to see theirs is with an expansion at light speed, so the background that it’s at 13.7 billion lightyears need to travel near lightyear this all 13.7 billion years and by that the expansion is decreasing with distance (it has not importance the distance to that objects in relation at expansion).

 

This ligth need to expand all time at light speed, if accelerated is not show (it’s near light speed), if decelerate is against Hubble’s law.

[lbiar]

Please close this thread, I prefer to continue in:

http://hypography.com/forums/astronomy-and-cosmology/23492-the-evidences-for-the-big-bang.html#post299132

 

Thanks