Earth Orbital Sagnac

[jakuta]

Why is the Earth Orbital Sagnac missing fron GPS?

[Little Bang]

I think the effect is there but so small that it can be ignored.

[Turtle]

Why is the Earth Orbital Sagnac missing fron GPS?

 

Reinterpretation of the Michelson-Morley experiment based on the GPS Sagnac correction

Abstract. – By examining the effects of rotational and orbital motions of the Earth on

wave propagation in the global positioning system and an intercontinental microwave link, it is

pointed out that the Earth’s orbital motion has no influence on these earthbound wave propagations,

while the Earth’s rotation does contribute to the Sagnac effect. As the propagation

mechanism in the Michelson-Morley experiment cannot be different from that in the aforementioned

ones, it is concluded that due to the Earth’s rotation, the shift in interference fringe in

this famous experiment is not exactly zero. However, by virtue of the round-trip propagation

path, this shift becomes second order and hence is too small to observe within the present

precision.

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[jakuta]

I think the effect is there but so small that it can be ignored.

 

 

 

The linear orbital speed of the earth is about 60 times greater than that of the linear rotational speed. Since c-v and c+v as used for the sagnac correction, then the linear spedd is used.

 

So, it should be 60 times greater. But, it does not show up.

 

 

 

 

 

[jakuta]

Abstract. – By examining the effects of rotational and orbital motions of the Earth on

wave propagation in the global positioning system and an intercontinental microwave link, it is

pointed out that the Earth’s orbital motion has no influence on these earthbound wave propagations,

while the Earth’s rotation does contribute to the Sagnac effect. As the propagation

mechanism in the Michelson-Morley experiment cannot be different from that in the aforementioned

ones, it is concluded that due to the Earth’s rotation, the shift in interference fringe in

this famous experiment is not exactly zero. However, by virtue of the round-trip propagation

path, this shift becomes second order and hence is too small to observe within the present

precision.

 

Reinterpretation of the Michelson-Morley experiment based on the GPS Sagnac correction

 

 

Impressive.

 

I have not met another person that reads this person.

 

In this paper, he proves using fringe, I proved in a post here using changes to c, that the earth's rotational sagnac should be in MMX. But, the equipment is not sensitive enough.

 

Please see my MMX in this forum as this is presented in more detail and more specific conclusions.

 

He also notes the earth's orbital sagnac is missing in another paper. He claims it is missing because of a local aether model caused by the local gravity,

 

This is not logically consustent though because of orbiting binary stars.

 

Essentially, the local aether model claims a local Ritz's theory of light where light is c to the frame and rides with the absolute motion of the frame (orbit). But within the local region, it will be a constant c and hence sagnac.

 

However, this implies a sun observer would view c+v and c-v to light on the earth.

 

Now, if the local aether model is correct, then when a binary star is moving away because of rotation, it would transmit light at a speed c-v and toward c+v. Given light is emitted at a constant wavelength from the star, if this were true with the changing speed of light, then we would measuring a beat frequency of the star blue/red and we do not.

 

So, this is the only other person I've read that realizes the orbital is missing and should be there.

[Turtle]

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He also notes the earth's orbital sagnac is missing in another paper. He claims it is missing because of a local aether model caused by the local gravity,

 

This is not logically consustent though because of orbiting binary stars.

 

Essentially, the local aether model claims a local Ritz's theory of light where light is c to the frame and rides with the absolute motion of the frame (orbit). But within the local region, it will be a constant c and hence sagnac.

 

However, this implies a sun observer would view c+v and c-v to light on the earth.

 

Now, if the local aether model is correct, then when a binary star is moving away because of rotation, it would transmit light at a speed c-v and toward c+v. Given light is emitted at a constant wavelength from the star, if this were true with the changing speed of light, then we would measuring a beat frequency of the star blue/red and we do not.

 

So, this is the only other person I've read that realizes the orbital is missing and should be there.

 

i didn't read far enough i guess. i thought the whole aether thing was passe´. :confused: anyway, i'm really not qualified to comment; just thought i'd pitch in with some research. good luck with your effort!