Why do humans use oppression(Homosexual marrage)?

[ledbassest]

Humans through out history have used oppression. Why? For example, America will not allow for homosexuals to marry. Why? Because they don't understand it and as human nature what one doesn't understand they dismiss as plausable? This erks me, although I am not homosexual (and never will be) this is oppression and Americas ignorants in the greatest. ;) + ;) = America

[Queso]

you seemed to have answered your own question. i agree with you, and don't really know why we do this other than the fact most people are afraid of change and their afraid of what they don't know.

 

also...2 halloweens ago i went out (i don't care how old i get, i'll always celebrate halloween by putting on a disguise and ducking out into the night) only to find almost NOBODY on the streets. i lived in a big city at the time, of about a million people. and either the parents made their kids go out at dusk, or a lot of kids didn't even go out. the night ended terribly earlier than i rememberd as a kid as well.

 

all of this fear that is constantly being drilled into our heads by media and authorities is really affecting our society, GAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! that makes me so mad! ;) ;)

 

will all of this fear suppress or are we adapting and going to turn into scared humans for the rest of our existance???!!

 

and i would just like to say, the only thing that scares me is the dark-my own imagination. not the posibility of a nuke hitting new york. if that happens, it happens. there will be chaos. woohoo, something new. but until it does, don't be afraid. be happy! ;)

[ledbassest]

Also...2 halloweens ago i went out (i don't care how old i get, i'll always celebrate halloween by putting on a disguise and ducking out into the night) only to find almost NOBODY on the streets. i lived in a big city at the time, of about a million people. and either the parents made their kids go out at dusk, or a lot of kids didn't even go out. the night ended terribly earlier than i rememberd as a kid as well.

Your not the only one who goes out on Halloween. A great holiday where oppression is less. People cannot see you as you are, and every one looks different, so there is less oppression in the air.

and i would just like to say, the only thing that scares me is the dark-my own imagination. not the posibility of a nuke hitting new york. if that happens, it happens. there will be chaos. woohoo, something new. but until it does, don't be afraid. be happy! ;)

This is a very interesting. The idea of chaos is amazing. Serenity cannot come with out chaos and chaos with out serenity. The human race is very stubborn.

 

I know that people are afraid of what they do not know, but do people oppress each other for personal gain or for popularity? ;)

[Queso]

but do people oppress each other for personal gain or for popularity?

some, of course. and to feel better about themselves in the process.

p.s. ledbassest did you celebrate yesterdays vague underground holiday? ;)

[Qfwfq]

For example, America will not allow for homosexuals to marry. Why? Because they don't understand it and as human nature what one doesn't understand they dismiss as plausable?

Yesterdy the Spanish parliament passed a modification to all laws concerning marriage, parentiship... replacing all mention of 'husband' and 'wife' with "the spouse(s)".

 

Effect: any whoorwhatsoever two adults may marry, bear and/or adopt children etc...

[rockytriton]

If there were no opression, there would be no laws, which would result in chaos. There are so many arguments in the whole homosexual category that it gives me a headache. One can say that if we can allow two consenting men to marry, why not a consenting man and a consenting 8 year old child (boy or girl)? What? You say because the other one is a child and not capable of making a good decision? Who are you to opress that child? Doesn't that 8 year old child have human rights? What? It's differnet if they are 18, ok but how about 17? No matter what rules you come up with, someone is going to be opressed.

[ledbassest]

Rockytriton i agree with your theory with no laws = chaos, but you also must remember that serenity cannot exist w/out chaos and chaos w/ serenity. thus discord is the begining of serenity (the stop of oppression), which will once again lead to discord (oppression once again). we have seen this once before and will see it again. rome was big into the whole homosexual thing but now, america (america tries to follow romes ways as of the consel times).

[Fishteacher73]

If there were no opression, there would be no laws, which would result in chaos. There are so many arguments in the whole homosexual category that it gives me a headache. One can say that if we can allow two consenting men to marry, why not a consenting man and a consenting 8 year old child (boy or girl)? What? You say because the other one is a child and not capable of making a good decision? Who are you to opress that child? Doesn't that 8 year old child have human rights? What? It's differnet if they are 18, ok but how about 17? No matter what rules you come up with, someone is going to be opressed.

 

 

Where to start.....Perhaps the begining.

What would cause this chaos that laws protect from? Right now the reson for oppression is for personal gain. Law protect us from being abused by other's power. If this drive were removed there would be no causation for this chaos.

 

There tons of laws that put age restrictions on activities. Most are reasonably sound, the mental processes are still developing in children and they obviously do not have a clear grasp on the reality of situations. Should we let that same 8 year old drive? No. Are we oppressing that 8 year old? Perhaps, but do you want to be on the road with someone who fraks everytime they see a power rangers add? No. This is for the common good as well. Where does homosexual marriage cause some inherret danger to the populace as a whole?

[rockytriton]

homosexuality was accepted in rome though, it's not accepted by the government in america. I'm all for opression, I don't think we would last very long without it. I sure wouldn't want my 10 year old daughter marrying a 40 year old pervert just because she thinks she is in love. Also don't forget that the environmental protection agency is opressing all of these chemical companies by stopping them from dumping their waste everywhere. If they weren't opressed, they could just drop nuclear waste in the middle of any ol' farm town.

[rockytriton]

Where does homosexual marriage cause some inherret danger to the populace as a whole?

 

Where does marriage between a 5 year old and a 30 year old cause some inherrent danger to the populace as a whole?

[ledbassest]

Yes fish it was allowed in rome, but america tries to follow the same path as rome; control and then oppress (through "peace"). sorry about the miss-understanding.

[rockytriton]

Don't want to give the wrong impression, I really could care less if people get married who are the same sex, who am I to stop them? The only thing that bothers me, and flame me for it if you must, is that I now have to explain to my daughter what's going on when she sees two girls making out or two guys making out. Sure, you say I should tell them that sometimes girls love other girls like mommys and daddys do, but then remember that children up until a certain age are known to "be homosexual" according to many psychologists. So now that I am telling her this, she is convinced from early childhood that she is homosexual and when she "loves" her girl friends, all of the sudden she feels like she must be a lesbian. I don't know truly if this is the way it would go or not but if it is, I think it would be totally wrong.

[C1ay]

Because a lot of them are stupid. Many believe that everyone is the same. We reach puberty and then something happens with our hormones and most of us begin to become attracted to the opposite sex. They think that those who date and make out with the same sex somehow made some choice to be that way. The truth is that many lesbians had some change at puberty that affected them the same way it affected me, they were attracted to girls all of the sudden. Most gay guys found that for some reason the same thing happened to them that happened to girls at puberty. Some people just can't understand that we are not all alike, that for most of them it was not a choice, it was nature.

 

Now granted, there are also some people that grow up and for one reason or another they find themselves attracted to children. These people are a threat to our children but it is also fair to realize that many of them are not that way by choice. They are not fit for society and measures should be taken to isolate them from society to prevent the threat they represent but I don't see that as oppression.

 

Consenting, adult homosexuals are not a threat to society. They only want to enjoy the compulsions to live life with someone who feels the same way they do. There is no reason to treat them differently than the way we would like to be treated. Any restriction of this is oppression and should be treated as such.

 

Just my 2¢,

[ledbassest]

Consenting, adult homosexuals are not a threat to society. They only want to enjoy the compulsions to live life with someone who feels the same way they do. There is no reason to treat them differently than the way we would like to be treated. Any restriction of this is oppression and should be treated as such.

 

Yay, i mean how can one say that a homosexual is not the same as a straight human? i am attracted to the females who are smart not bueatiful, but this is not considered a choice. rather it is considered an impulse created by nature. this confuses me. the only explanation that i can come up with is that people are extremely to religious.

[ledbassest]

I have asked a few people that i know that live or lived in a different country than the US and for the most part people are "understanding." they may understand it to shut up a group of people, but at least they understand.Tormod says this:

Homophobia is not extreme over here in Norway, but we have a very conservative state church and also the Christian Democrat's run the government, and they are quite horrible.

Gays can live in registered partnerships and have the same rights as married people, but they cannot adopt children as of yet (that is likely to change soon, though).

 

if anyone reading this is from a different country or has info about a different country, then please mail me and/or reply to this. i find it to be humorous that america leads the world, but the world is first to start to "stop" oppression.

[Queso]

they must be learning what not to do. smart guys.

[paultrr]

Where does marriage between a 5 year old and a 30 year old cause some inherrent danger to the populace as a whole?

 

Playing devils advocate a bit here I can see clearly where the 5 year old with a 30 year old does have inherrent danger. Its flat out wrong in most people's book for some 30 year old to take advantage of a five year old. That most people's book constitutes what we in this country consider the majority of society or the populace as a whole. But the Homosexual situation is different. While the majority of this country has been hetrosexual. One cannot by any stretch say that the majority all share the same opinion when it comes to homosexuality as to weither its wrong or right.

 

I've experienced in my life times I knew homosexual couples. While most of them simply want to live out there lives the same as everyone else does(ie with the one they love) they also tend to face the same problems every other couple out there faces. The biggest problem I have seen within their ranks is something that is hard to pin down. Some of the shall we say Butch gay women in these relationship's tend to mimic what as a male I would say is the worst example of being a male around. They mimic the domination aspect some males display in their relationship's with women. I've witnessed this a few times in my life where these same head strong butch types tend towards abusive relationship's involving either mental abuse and or physical abuse. I'm not certain where they get their ideals of what it means to be a "man". But this is not what it means at all. On that front, and this only applies to some of the cases there are problems there.

 

Personally, if they are a solid couple I think they should have the same rights everyone else does and the same protection, so to speak. But then again I tend to apply that to hetrosexuals as well.

 

One issue, and one that can be backed up with a bit of honest research into this is there are people that from birth display traits and attractions different from say the hetrosexual crowd. To some religious minded out there homsexuality is supposed to be the result of willful sin where the great God above gives them over to unnatural desire. But people who are born geared a certain way simply runs counter to that religious train of thought. How can some God be giving them over to something when they show these traits at far too early an age to be accountable by anyone's book?

 

Face it people, not all hetrosexuals like everything the same when it comes to sex. If they did there would not be those books out there on a 1001 positions, there would not be the subclass out there that gets into spanking, or bondage, or swinging, etc. I think the same applies to homosexuality in general. I believe in to each their own. I also do not see where personal homosexual choice imposes some real danger to the public in general. Granted its not my cup of tea as I perfer women over men hands down. God only knows a naked body of a women seems more like my definition of a work of art than some sweaty hairy man's body. But then again art is in the eye of the beholder.

 

On that same general subject we also have the Military still taking a stance against certain sex acts. Yet, having been there in the military I can speak for a fact that when it comes to personal desires most men have no problem with a women giving them a blow job as its commonly called. Any time spent on say a construction job site in this country or even in a local public bath room will tell you that the majority of the male population in this country has no problem there themselves. Yet, our Military still considers such a crime and claims the government supports such. Anyone remember why Bill Clinton as President got into all that much published trouble a bit back? I think a lot of our morality laws on the books out there are way behind the times in general. One could say that here again we have a great example of the so-called moral majority dictating to everyone else what is right and wrong.