Why do humans use oppression(Homosexual marrage)?

[Fishteacher73]

Bio- We obviously come from different POV's on religion, but a great deal of religious dogma is a reasonably good guide line on how to live. Most taboo's were for real daily biological/societal concerns; even more so in the relativistic time period that they arose.. They were presented in the guise (my term, probably as mandate to a believer) of a god to have people adhere to them. My question arises that what did the abstaining from homosexual encounters protect the individual from? Why was this a taboo? Perhaps it is something that may never be known, but almost all other rules of religion can at least be logically supported by some biological imperative (although many have been twisted beyond any real meaning to those outside the religion).

[Biochemist]

Bio- We obviously come from different POV's on religion, but a great deal of religious dogma is a reasonably good guide line on how to live....Perhaps it is something that may never be known, but almost all other rules of religion can at least be logically supported by some biological imperative (although many have been twisted beyond any real meaning to those outside the religion).

I do understand a little about our variances in POV on this. And there is little doubt that many of the axioms established in Biblical texts (for example) have practical roots. But many don't. The first commandment (Love the lord you r God..) it not particularly practical, unless you happen to acknowledge the value in the relationship. Looking for a practical answer to all rules is losing the forest among the trees.

[C1ay]

Another question is why do some of the people i know dislike the idea of homosexualality but are neither religious nor fully "moral" themselves? they confuse me. can anyone answer me this with a responce other than they are homophobic. i think it goes further than that. but what is it? ;)

I think these people generally don't understand it and are scared of it like it might be contagious or something.

[Queso]

a lot of people automatically assume that all gay people have AIDS too, which is another one of those blown out of proportion stereotypes.

[Fishteacher73]

The fastest growing population of AIDS is hererosexual females.

[Queso]

precisely. i did not know that, but i now do. and that further proves what i said up there. actually rather startling.

[Biochemist]

I think these people generally don't understand it and are scared of it like it might be contagious or something.

a lot of people automatically assume that all gay people have AIDS too, which is another one of those blown out of proportion stereotypes.

Speaking of blown-out-of-proportion stereotypes, I think both of these might qualify.

[C1ay]

Speaking of blown-out-of-proportion stereotypes, I think both of these might qualify.

Yes, they probably are blown out of proportion by some. For clarification I did not mean that all of them are scared because they don't understand. I do think it's the case for quite a few of them though.

[Biochemist]

Yes, they probably are blown out of proportion by some. For clarification I did not mean that all of them are scared because they don't understand. I do think it's the case for quite a few of them though.

I looked at my last post, and I think I was a little bit terse. Sorry about that. I was just picking on you two for fun.;)

[C1ay]

I looked at my last post, and I think I was a little bit terse. Sorry about that. I was just picking on you two for fun.;)

I didn't take it that way at all. I just saw it as calling attention to the fact that many probably do blow it out of proportion. Nothing wrong with calling the kettle black.

[Biochemist]

I didn't take it that way at all. I just saw it as calling attention to the fact that many probably do blow it out of proportion. Nothing wrong with calling the kettle black.

Hey- you have 1000 posts AND a t-shirt!!

[C1ay]

Hey- you have 1000 posts AND a t-shirt!!

Yeah, there's a quatrain about it here ;)

[rockytriton]

Another question is why do some of the people i know dislike the idea of homosexualality but are neither religious nor fully "moral" themselves? they confuse me. can anyone answer me this with a responce other than they are homophobic. i think it goes further than that. but what is it? :xx:

 

I think maybe its some sort of natural oversion to it. When I see two dudes kissing, I usually cover my eyes cause it grosses me out. I'm not afraid of it, and I'm not religious, I just think it's gross. Call me what you will, but it won't change the way that it makes me feel. I don't have any problem with it, just don't like to look at it.

[C1ay]

I think maybe its some sort of natural oversion to it. When I see two dudes kissing, I usually cover my eyes cause it grosses me out. I'm not afraid of it, and I'm not religious, I just think it's gross. Call me what you will, but it won't change the way that it makes me feel. I don't have any problem with it, just don't like to look at it.

I know exactly how you feel. I've spent a lot of time trying to understand their side and it's obvious from my posts here that I support some rights for them but, I cannot watch 2 guys kiss without feeling somewhat repulsed. I guess I mostly believe that most of them are born that way and I kind of feel sorry for them. At the same time I am thankful that I'm not like them.

[paultrr]

I think maybe its some sort of natural oversion to it. When I see two dudes kissing, I usually cover my eyes cause it grosses me out. I'm not afraid of it, and I'm not religious, I just think it's gross. Call me what you will, but it won't change the way that it makes me feel. I don't have any problem with it, just don't like to look at it.

 

That's simple the fact that to us it seems different and gross. I'll admit it does to me also while like a lot of males two females together seems less so for some reason. I just attribute such to human nature and still believe the best choice is live and let live.

[Qfwfq]

There is no such thing as a "good" parent or even an "adult" in the absence of a moral reference. The notion of the "rights" of children has moved significantly over the last 50 years. I suspect that we will consider sexual freedom for 10 year olds as a normal discusison in 30 years. Some discuss it now.

I had no intention of using the word 'good' without a notion of ethics. I might specify 'good' in the sense that the parents don't care more about themselves than about their child, when making choices for the child or concerning how they treat the child. I would ask you not to suppose things about my opinions that I haven't said.

 

There's a difference between allowing sex between teenagers, or even between ten year olds, and allowing an adult to seduce a child, or even a teenager. It is always hard to draw lines at a number of years, this problem can't be done away with, but it is clearly necessary to prevent adults from damaging children, your comparison between the freedom to be gay and the freedom to be pedophilic was inappropriate.

 

I also disagree with you considering homosexuality as an immoral choice although a natural tendency. A homosexual does not choose to be attracted by someone of the same sex ond not by someone of the opposite sex. The terms you applied were inappropriate, it has nothing to do with choice, you don't choose whether or not to be homosexual.

[Qfwfq]

Unfortunately, it is true that most of us feel some kind of uneasiness when we see two, both of our own sex, kissing. I think it's simple. We wouldn't like to be in the shoes of either one, being kissed by the other. If we aren't gay ourselves that is. I find the same uneasiness if I see a male porn subject and not when I see a female one, I guess I should only be relieved. I have also found that if I see a hetero couple, I can feel the same kind of uneasiness by seeing it from her pov rather than from his, i. e. if I feel like it was me with him and not me with her. I guess the identification is usually automatic if we see a hetero couple but we can't make the right one if we see a homo couple.

 

From this to denying their rights or considering them less moral than a hetero couple is a big step.

 

I'll also grab the chance to ask Bio, as I don't know the scriptures in detail, exactly where does the bible speak against homosexuality? As for the taboo having less grounds than other bans, I disagree. The reproductive function of marriage is highly iportant in the mentality of societies until overpopulation becomes a problem. It even keeps it's importance when there is a problem, it's natural for people to see offspring as a good thing. The Catholic Church still doesn't contemplate divorce, yet it considers the impossibility of reproduction to be grounds for annullment. I don't know if it's been changed recently but, as far as I remember, it's enough to prove you haven't done it yet, after a few nights together, it indicates the marriage isn't working.