Aliens Poll

[Moontanman]

“Huffman claimed that he was summoned to pray over crash victims outside of Cape Girardeau, Missouri in 1941.”

 

“He was sworn to secrecy by military personnel after performing his Christian duties”

:confused::hihi:

 

Now if we assume the crash was real, and yes I know what assume means, then taking into account the time and place it wouldn't surprise me for a minister to be called out to pray over the bodies. What is improbable now might not have been thought so silly then.

[Moontanman]

“ Well hell, all they needed to do was hit it with a windmill.

 

Maybe their defector shields were working! When you possibly dealing with technology beyond our own it's not possible to say why or even how something flew over and seemed to be invulnerable. The real key is did something unusual fly over, if we establish it did then the why and how become more important. If we conclude it did not then the why and how are not applicable.

[Thunderbird]

Hey, I'm just the messenger I don't know how fragile a crashing space ship is, maybe it's deflector shields had failed?

Damn, 50.000 thousand lightyears though asteroids and taken out by a windmill.

[Thunderbird]

Now if we assume the crash was real, and yes I know what assume means, then taking into account the time and place it wouldn't surprise me for a minister to be called out to pray over the bodies. What is improbable now might not have been thought so silly then.

 

"General Silly, we have a crashed space craft of unkown origin, what are the protocal orders?

 

"Oh yes, lets call the local minister and have him look around and then we all can prey before they shoot me for being a complete idiot."

[Thunderbird]

More links Moonman, I'm running out of material!

[Thunderbird]

Maybe their defector shields were working! When you possibly dealing with technology beyond our own it's not possible to say why or even how something flew over and seemed to be invulnerable. The real key is did something unusual fly over, if we establish it did then the why and how become more important. If we conclude it did not then the why and how are not applicable.

 

LA+1941+lotsa guns= shooting at smoke in the sky.

[Turtle]

The prime connection I believe, and the one that Mitchell referred to, is the crash at Roswell New Mexico in 1947. As time has passed, the people who were there and or otherwise involved officially have aged, retired, and started talking. Roswell's a subject of such great complexity, that I think it is too broad & deep for this thread.

 

Here's something from the casebook: >> 1952 Washington D.C. Sightings, UFO Casebook Files

In 1947 the military was at a height of paranoia and deception. The after shocks of WW2 was deeply embedded in the minds of the American public. The fear of invasion loomed on the horizon. The influence and control of the military industrial complex partnered with covert/counter intelligence agencies began to work together to keep top secret experiments out of the light of scrutiny and into the darkness covert operations. They needed a plan. The best way to keep a secret is to create a more titillating one as a diversion. This is called counter intelligence. The dissemination of false information that serves a dual purpose. Not only as a diversion from the real experiments taking place, but more importantly creating the proper mood of fear of invasion of an enemy that can then set into motion, and to grease the wheels for adequate funding needed for the real research into weapon systems for defense.

 

Do you not think it is a little too coincidental that the Roswell incident just happened of all places to take place in the same area the military does its most top secret work ?

 

Again, I'm agnostic on the topic, but I revisited this thread because of Edgar Mitchell's new claims. For the sake of your argument, do you think it's illogical that if there are/were visiting aliens that they would be surveilling our top secret work.

[Thunderbird]

Again, I'm agnostic on the topic, but I revisited this thread because of Edgar Mitchell's new claims. For the sake of your argument, do you think it's illogical that if there are/were visiting aliens that they would be surveilling our top secret work.

 

I would think a technologically advanced race capable of crossings the vastness of space would have about as much interest in spying on our weapons systems as a rocket scientist in the 40’s would have in studying harpoon making among the Eskimos.

[Turtle]

I would think a technologically advanced race capable of crossings the vastness of space would have about as much interest in spying on our weapons systems as a rocket scientist in the 40’s would have in studying harpoon making among the Eskimos.

 

What do you base your assesment of alien capability on? Woulda, coulda, shoulda. No evidence is not evidence. Since the claim is that it's subjective, why would I accept your subjectivism over Mitchell's?

[Thunderbird]

What do you base your assesment of alien capability on? Woulda, coulda, shoulda. No evidence is not evidence. Since the claim is that it's subjective, why would I accept your subjectivism over Mitchell's?

You're absolutely correct ! I have 0 evidence of any alien presents. Nothing to study just pure conjecture, and speculation. It is a level playing field for all to play and imagine and write stories and make movies. It is to me a study of modern mythological tendencies prompted by the vastness of space . Mankind will always fill these voids with what he most fears and desirers. These mythologies are just that, simply because they have not yielded anything that we did not already have to begin with.

[Moontanman]

You're absolutely correct ! I have 0 evidence of any alien presents. Nothing to study just pure conjecture, and speculation. It is a level playing field for all to play and imagine and write stories and make movies. It is to me a study of modern mythological tendencies prompted by the vastness of space . Mankind will always fill these voids with what he most fears and desirers. These mythologies are just that, simply because they have not yielded anything that we did not already have to begin with.

 

Ok Ok Ok, lets look at this in a reasonable way (evidently Murphy's law works for aliens too!) what would constitute evidence of UFOs being alien space ships, seriously? Let me know what you want as evidence. The motivation of aliens is intrinsically inscrutable (say that ten times real fast!) to say aliens would be interested in something suggests you know the mind of an alien, this is unlikely. And yes people of our civilization are interested in Eskimo stone spears and lots of other primitive stuff so just saying that advanced people wouldn't be interested forgets that we too are curious about the primitive. so these aliens might be the group of specialists looking to study primitive weapons or TV shows or sporting events. It all boils down to how difficult is it to travel to the earth from where they originate. If it's much easier than we think then aliens might visit to study comparative masturbation for all we know but if it as difficult as we think it is then any visit at all is highly unlikely.

[Thunderbird]

Here something I just found, Carl Jung wrote a book about UFO's !

 

Jung used the term "myth" to mean a sacred story which reflects deep inner needs of a community of believers and which justifies some important action that they take. The myths of the ancient Greeks are just strange tale to us because we no longer see the sacred shrines and religious ceremonies whose existence they justified.

 

 

Jung notes that the first "flying saucer" stories appeared in 1947, two years after the first atomic bombs were exploded. They appeared at a time when there was great fear of a war between the United States and the Soviet Union. (Note that the most important of the early "flying saucer" stories happened near Roswell, New Mexico, not far from Alamogordo where the very first atomic bomb was tested.) In 1949, the Soviet Union exploded its own atomic bomb and the fear of war became even greater.

 

 

 

 

But Jung says that modern science has made most people too skeptical about supernatural beings to see the traditional mythological images. Since we live in an age of science and technology, we interpret the new signs in the sky as machines from a world with a technology more advanced than ours.

 

 

 

 

 

Flying Saucers As Signs From Heaven

[Thunderbird]

Ok Ok Ok, lets look at this in a reasonable way to say aliens would be interested in something suggests you know the mind of an alien, this is unlikely. And yes people of our civilization are interested in Eskimo stone spears and lots of other primitive stuff so just saying that advanced people wouldn't be interested forgets that we too are curious about the primitive. so these aliens might be the group of specialists looking to study primitive weapons or TV shows or sporting events. It all boils down to how difficult is it to travel to the earth from where they originate. If it's much easier than we think then aliens might visit to study comparative masturbation for all we know but if it as difficult as we think it is then any visit at all is highly unlikely.

I do not know the mind of alien, but I do like studing the mind of man, and if I where going to make up a story that I intended to be taken seriously as a good one, I would try to keep all the elements cohesive within the story as well as relevent to the times. This is why I love sci-fi and ancient stories of creatures from heaven and hell. Its the same stuff however just a change of costumes.

[Moontanman]

Here something I just found, Carl Jung wrote a book about UFO's !

 

 

 

 

 

 

Flying Saucers As Signs From Heaven

 

Jung is misinformed, UFOs/flying saucers have been around for a very long time. Alexander the great was followed by silver shields that dove at his army and later helped him destroy a city wall. Medieval paintings depict nuts and bolts UFOs and even reports from antiquity are not all described as angels or gods or demons. even during the time of Pharaohs unexplained sights in the sky were not assumed to be gods or angels. The concept of technological UFOs has been around for a very long time.

[Thunderbird]

Jung is misinformed, UFOs/flying saucers have been around for a very long time. Alexander the great was followed by silver shields that dove at his army and later helped him destroy a city wall. Medieval paintings depict nuts and bolts UFOs and even reports from antiquity are not all described as angels or gods or demons. even during the time of Pharaohs unexplained sights in the sky were not assumed to be gods or angels. The concept of technological UFOs has been around for a very long time.

References please.

[Moontanman]

References please.

 

329 BC: Alexander the Great records two great 'flying shields' - Central Asia, - 329 BC - UFO Evidence

 

Siriusly - UFOs - Ancient Artwork

 

UFO Sightings In Ancient Egypt, Rome, And The Middle Ages

[Thunderbird]

329 BC: Alexander the Great records two great 'flying shields' - Central Asia, - 329 BC - UFO Evidence

 

Siriusly - UFOs - Ancient Artwork

 

UFO Sightings In Ancient Egypt, Rome, And The Middle Ages

You are referencing U F O web sites.

The first one admits..

Unfortunately, there is no reference.

 

So this story remains very dubious.