Aliens Poll

[Moontanman]

I've noticed in recent years a lack of real details about many of these old sightings. Books from 20 to 30 years ago were all about details but net info seems rather weak to say the least as though the details are not as important as the number of hits your info gets. I'm not sure how to remedy this, I do remember much of the details form this sighting, it's one of my favorites but I'm sure I don't remember all of them. More research is needed:doh:

[Moontanman]

I read the report, as it stated it was a "real UFO" which means just that, unidentified nothing more. A blank spot for conjecture. Unidentified does not mean extraterestrial.

 

Yes but is that a reason to stop looking? If a UFO is just lights in the sky then yes any further investigation is futile, it's just another one we can't explain due to lack of information but if it's the Minot Air force base sighting it should spark more research and further investigation not just "well it looks like just another one we can't explain."

[Thunderbird]

I read a detailed account in a book many years ago, but the most recent and detailed account was in Peter Jennings last documentary. He described several very detailed but unexplained sightings but unfortunately a few less than detailed ones as well. When we put aside something unknown because information is difficult to come by we miss the possibility of new discoveries. Just like the alien abduction reports, at one time they were thought to be nothing but BS, lies and hoaxes. Now we know why they all shared a common thread and why so many people with no connection had very similar experiences. If no one had seriously gone after these reports basic information about the human mind would have gone undiscovered.

 

I have to agree with this statement. Abduction cases are IMHO are very similar and more intriguing than the UFO sightings. I read a book years ago about a writer that said he became cognizant of being abducted many times and only became aware of it after hypnosis. I don’t really know if was making it all up to sell books, but I do remember the stories gave me nightmares, and admittedly a little paranoid.

 

 

 

[questor]

What a strange paradox. Many of the same minds that reject the idea of a causal factor for the existence of the universe, although evidence abounds, embrace the idea of extraterrestrial life even though there is no hard evidence whatsoever. UFO's can be easily explained since the universe is full of moving particulate matter. How can some believe in something that shows no evidence, while rejecting something with abundant evidence? It's a

puzzlement.

[Moontanman]

I have to agree with this statement. Abduction cases are IMHO are very similar and more intriguing than the UFO sightings. I read a book years ago about a writer that said he became cognizant of being abducted many times and only became aware of it after hypnosis. I don’t really know if was making it all up to sell books, but I do remember the stories gave me nightmares, and admittedly a little paranoid.

 

 

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The whole abduction phenomenon has been shown to be a result of a sleep disorder called sleep paralysis. the reason the images are similar is due to cultural influence and basic processes in the human brain. When a certain area of the mind is stimulated you get these images and sleep paralysis compounds them, I have sleep paralysis, I've seen the the little gray guys,. I actually grabbed the arms of two that were holding me down. My son came in the room and prodded me completely awake and I had a firm grip on my own thumbs!:shrug: I usually have OBEs when I am in sleep paralysis. I knew the gray guys weren't real but it was difficult to ignore them, if I hadn't had prior information that had convinced me they weren't real I'm not sure I could have remained confident of their non reality.

[Thunderbird]

What a strange paradox. Many of the same minds that reject the idea of a causal factor for the existence of the universe, although evidence abounds, embrace the idea of extraterrestrial life even though there is no hard evidence whatsoever. UFO's can be easily explained since the universe is full of moving particulate matter. How can some believe in something that shows no evidence, while rejecting something with abundant evidence? It's a

puzzlement.

IMHO the belief in extraterrestrials is no different than the belief in visitations of Gods and angels. UfO's are just up to date myths reflecting modern times. Speaking just for myself I do not reject ether, I im still open to a possibility of discovery. Myths are important to a creative imaginative society, they have real value. Its when we attempt to force the myth into a hard reality that they lose their enchantment and become ridiculous.

[Thunderbird]

The whole abduction phenomenon has been shown to be a result of a sleep disorder called sleep paralysis. the reason the images are similar is due to cultural influence and basic processes in the human brain. When a certain area of the mind is stimulated you get these images and sleep paralysis compounds them, I have sleep paralysis, I've seen the the little gray guys,. I actually grabbed the arms of two that were holding me down. My son came in the room and prodded me completely awake and I had a firm grip on my own thumbs! I usually have OBEs when I am in sleep paralysis. I knew the gray guys weren't real but it was difficult to ignore them, if I hadn't had prior information that had convinced me they weren't real I'm not sure I could have remained confident of their non reality.

Sound's like a good explanation. Still scary :shrug:

[Moontanman]

What a strange paradox. Many of the same minds that reject the idea of a causal factor for the existence of the universe, although evidence abounds, embrace the idea of extraterrestrial life even though there is no hard evidence whatsoever. UFO's can be easily explained since the universe is full of moving particulate matter. How can some believe in something that shows no evidence, while rejecting something with abundant evidence? It's a

puzzlement.

 

UFOs can be easily explained? Would you mind enlightening us? The idea of god is not supportable by any evidence, the idea of intelligent life is supported by evidence. We know life exists on the Earth, we also know there are other planets and we know there is no reason life cannot exist on other planets. There is no evidence of a causal factor in the universe.

[Moontanman]

IMHO the belief in extraterrestrials is no different than the belief in visitations of Gods and angels. UfO's are just up to date myths reflecting modern times. Speaking just for myself I do not reject ether, I im still open to a possibility of discovery. Myths are important to a creative imaginative society, they have real value. Its when we attempt to force the myth into a hard reality that they lose their enchantment and become ridiculous.

 

I think it's important to say the ideas and myths of gods, angles, demons, faeries, and other mythological beings could at their root have encounters with extraterrestrials and or things like sleep paralysis, or even drug induced hallucinations. I take the stance that even myths have some root other than someone telling lies to impress his friends around the cave fires. :shrug:

[Thunderbird]

I think it's important to say the ideas and myths of gods, angles, demons, faeries, and other mythological beings could at their root have encounters with extraterrestrials and or things like sleep paralysis, or even drug induced hallucinations. I take the stance that even myths have some root other than someone telling lies to impress his friends around the cave fires. :shrug:

You're over reaching, just as some in the church claim aliens are really just demons.

[Moontanman]

You're over reaching, just as some in the church claim aliens are really just demons.

 

I'm not claiming aliens are really demons or that demons are really aliens, I just think that somewhere some if not most of these myths had at their root some simple truth.

[Thunderbird]

I'm not claiming aliens are really demons or that demons are really aliens, I just think that somewhere some if not most of these myths had at their root some simple truth.

The truth is we are creative story tellers, and rational thinkers. The story does not have to be based on fact to have worth. Recognizing the form and function of a myth and utilizing to fire the creative imagination, and recognizing logical facts and constructing reality or two separate paradigms.

[questor]

Moontan, you said:

''UFOs can be easily explained? Would you mind enlightening us? The idea of god is not supportable by any evidence, the idea of intelligent life is supported by evidence. We know life exists on the Earth, we also know there are other planets and we know there is no reason life cannot exist on other planets. There is no evidence of a causal factor in the universe.''

 

Most UFO'S have been shown to be weather balloons, space debris, planetary

debris, or something quite ordinary. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

If you read my post, I did not say anything about God and I do not argue

his existence. We do know life exists on earth, but have we proved that it exists anywhere else in the universe? If there was no causal factor in the appearance of the universe, how did it happen? Are you saying it was not caused?

[Moontanman]

Moontan, you said:

''UFOs can be easily explained? Would you mind enlightening us? The idea of god is not supportable by any evidence, the idea of intelligent life is supported by evidence. We know life exists on the Earth, we also know there are other planets and we know there is no reason life cannot exist on other planets. There is no evidence of a causal factor in the universe.''

 

Most UFO'S have been shown to be weather balloons, space debris, planetary

debris, or something quite ordinary. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

The key word here is most questor, most UFOs can be explained away, but some defy explanation even with huge amounts of data.

 

If you read my post, I did not say anything about God and I do not argue his existence.

 

Ok if not god then what causal factor are you talking about?

 

We do know life exists on earth, but have we proved that it exists anywhere else in the universe? If there was no causal factor in the appearance of the universe, how did it happen? Are you saying it was not caused?

 

We have reason to believe life can exist in the universe because it exists on the Earth, there is no reason to think the Earth is so special that life cannot exist anywhere else. We do know there are lots of planets in the universe, no reason to think none of them have life. Yes I am saying there was no causal factor in the beginning of the universe. It was not caused, it came about due to natural factors. Can you prove other wise? Do you even have any evidence to indicate other wise? Until such evidence shows up then natural factors is the best explination.

[Thunderbird]

Getting back to the subject of debate, which is, Are ufo's evidence of extrateretrial life? I SAY NO.

[Moontanman]

Moontan, you said:

''UFOs can be easily explained? Would you mind enlightening us? The idea of god is not supportable by any evidence, the idea of intelligent life is supported by evidence. We know life exists on the Earth, we also know there are other planets and we know there is no reason life cannot exist on other planets. There is no evidence of a causal factor in the universe.''

 

Most UFO'S have been shown to be weather balloons, space debris, planetary

debris, or something quite ordinary. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

If you read my post, I did not say anything about God and I do not argue

his existence. We do know life exists on earth, but have we proved that it exists anywhere else in the universe? If there was no causal factor in the appearance of the universe, how did it happen? Are you saying it was not caused?

 

Getting back to the subject of debate, which is, Are ufo's evidence of extrateretrial life? I SAY NO.

 

I SAY MAYBE :shrug:

[questor]

Moontan, can you describe some ''natural factors'' which have no causal

origin?

Do you know of any debris found on earth that has proved to be connected with extraterrestrial life or spaceships?