Crash Of Odd Object

[Moontanman]

my previous post demonstrates how a frisbee can be skipped, and also brings into the mix the matter of wind speed & velocity which we haven't discussed as a possible contributor to the odd action seen in the video.

 

is there some technical reason you dismiss disk-shaped and/or frisbee-esque ordnance, or do you just not like the proposal because it's my idea? i agree the event was intentionaly filmed & have said as much. if it's secret, then one shouldn't be surprised that there is little to no easily found info. beyond the technical information i have already dug up, i digged up some more stuff.

 

Not everything, in fact most things, cannot be simply scaled up and expect them to work. For instance toy cars made out of metal, you can crash them together drop them from the second story window they are none the worse for wear, crash a real car or drop it from that height and all you have is junk. A frisbee scaled up to the size of this craft would not be as tough as a frisbee 12" across no matter what it was made of. Any frisbee the size of a fighter plane even solid metal would not skip or behave in the same way a small plastic frisbee would. I don't see how you can make such a comparison.

 

 

the first, a report on using hardened non-explosive disks as armour penetrators rather than rod-shaped as in the more familiar form. it's not clear if these were ever produced and the report is pretty new and the projectiles faster than craigs 300 mph calculation, but i thought jm might find this interesting in light of his last post & experience with real weaponry.

 

>> Army Research Laboratory: Penetration of Multiple,Axially Offset, Disk-Shaped Penetrators: June 2001

 

the second, a fictional hand-launched disk-shaped explosive. :ebomb:

 

>> command & conquer: disk thrower

 

 

 

moontan, i'd be interested in your speculation on what it is rather than just what it is not. or perhaps i should say what do you want it to be. :shrug: have you written to the original poster on youtube to ask where they got the video? enquiring minds want to know. ??

 

ps found a very kewl site on military ordnance.

>> mulvaney's technical ordnance information system

 

looking at this one device, perhaps the object in the video is not the ordnance, but rather a target for ordnance.

 

>> FLARE, BALLISTIC AERIAL TARGET; INFRARED TRACKING MK33, MOD 0

 

pps not sure if i listed this already or not. (found searching disk-shaped ordnance; page 2: http://www.google.com/#q=disk-shaped+ordnance&hl=en&prmd=imvnsb&ei=kTrzTpyDCoOXiALMpNjFDg&sqi=2&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=665329a2f257563d&biw=1152&bih=582)

citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.167...

 

 

I don't think either of those links have anything to do with what we are seeing in that video, it still looks like a rocket exhaust to me but the skipping bounce is difficult to explain but you cannot explain it by comparison to something as small and light as a frisbee, just the need to spin at a high rate of speed would make controlling it a nightmare but it would be far to heavy to skim like a frisbee if it was strong enough to skip and bounce. The glow, and the bounce are difficult to explain as a solid object. I have gone to several places where this video is displayed and no further info is available. I have the UFO show tape here and it shows the footage but never mentions any details about it other than it happened in the New Mexico desert... and no I am not being obtuse because of you, i like you turtle...

[Turtle]

and no I am not being obtuse because of you, i like you turtle...

 

:lol: well, i didn't doubt that you liked me and that's not necessarily a reason to not be obtuse anyway. it's often exactly the reason to be so. i had to ask as you made a point of mentioning "as Turtle knows" and i wasn't sure if you thought you were making some technical argument or just ribbing me. i like you too and thought the space ship frisby gun added a little ribbing to the technical feasilbilty of a mechanically launched frisbee projectile. :D

 

Not everything, in fact most things, cannot be simply scaled up and expect them to work. For instance toy cars made out of metal, you can crash them together drop them from the second story window they are none the worse for wear, crash a real car or drop it from that height and all you have is junk. A frisbee scaled up to the size of this craft would not be as tough as a frisbee 12" across no matter what it was made of. Any frisbee the size of a fighter plane even solid metal would not skip or behave in the same way a small plastic frisbee would. I don't see how you can make such a comparison.

 

there is nothing in that rebuttal of a technical nature though; it's just your estimation agin mine. given that we determined the apparent size and speed of the object and it does in fact bounce, then clearly it's possible and made of "something". presuming it's not a fake of course, but then we would need to be working out the technicalities of how it was faked. at least i have given a number of actual research studies and experiments that are technically feasible. you seem to only speculate on what it can't be.

 

I don't think either of those links have anything to do with what we are seeing in that video, it still looks like a rocket exhaust to me but the skipping bounce is difficult to explain but you cannot explain it by comparison to something as small and light as a frisbee, just the need to spin at a high rate of speed would make controlling it a nightmare but it would be far to heavy to skim like a frisbee if it was strong enough to skip and bounce. The glow, and the bounce are difficult to explain as a solid object. I have gone to several places where this video is displayed and no further info is available. I have the UFO show tape here and it shows the footage but never mentions any details about it other than it happened in the New Mexico desert..

 

again with your claim "you can't compare it". indeed i can & i did. i put up the first ordnance link for jm as more of a sidelight inasmuch as he has used rocket propelled weapons and knows something of how they work. i thought he might find the disks-rather-than-rod(s) interesting or even know if they in fact were/are used.

 

as to the target ordnance, i think it'sa valid explanation. the glow of the flare may make the object only appear as large as craig's estimate and the bounce may just be an accident as jm noted he had actually seen with a real weapon. ooooppppsssss! :doh:

 

anyway, happy holidays and don't smoke any rubber cigars. :xmas_sheep: :xmas_tree: :esmoking: :ebomb: