belovelife Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 I vacilate between disappointment, wonder, and apathy. so you have a level of awe on the 33.3% margin 0.o are you apathetic because of the potential of the old age stories in relation to current scientific knowledge? :artgallery: ?
rocket art Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Posted January 20, 2012 (Exhibit for evidence 2) This is further proof of the Philippines being formed in the later Cenozoic-Quarternary Period (Late Pliocene-Early Pleistocene). The unique geological formation of Chocolate Hills in Bohol Island, Visayas Region: The Chocolate Hills are conical karst hills similar to those seen in the limestone regions of Slovenia, Croatia, northern Puerto Rico, and Pinar del Rio Province, Cuba. These hills consist of Late Pliocene to Early Pleistocene, thin to medium bedded, sandy to rubbly marinelimestones. These limestones contain the aboundant fossils of shallow marine foraminifera, coral, mollusks, and algae. These conical karst hills, called mogote, are created by a combination of the dissolution of limestones by rainfall, surface water, and groundwater and their subaerial erosion by rivers and streams after they had been uplifted above sea level and fractured by tectonic processes. These hills are separated by well developed flat plains and contain numerous caves and springs. The Chocolate Hills are considered to be a remarkable example of conical karst topography.http://knowledgearoundyou.weebly.com/chocolate-hills.html
rocket art Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Posted January 20, 2012 so you have a level of awe on the 33.3% margin 0.o are you apathetic because of the potential of the old age stories in relation to current scientific knowledge? :artgallery: ? Is that figure based on the Golden Mean of the Fibonacci Series? ;) Majestic Mt. Apo, Davao, Mindanao:
rocket art Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Posted January 20, 2012 ------ -------- :artgallery: :coffee_n_pc: :applause: :bow_flowers: :cheer: :applause: Striking Synchronicity between Science/History and the Mayan Calendar: Cenozoic Period (Tertiary/Quaternary) = Familial/ Tribal/ Cultural Consciousness
coldcreation Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 [snip] Nonsense. Your claim that geological data supports the sunken continent myth is absurd. All of the geological, topographical, tectophysical and paleomagnetic evidence (orientations of glacial striations along with the fossil pattern record) supports the theory of continental drift and oceanic-oceanic plate convergence occurring over timescales of hundreds of millions of years. This process in exceeding slow, it is ongoing and measurable today still. Subduction occurs on the edges of continental plates. It is not due to the sinking of large sheets of the earths crust (or mantle) where a mythical continent once vanished. The seafloor is spreading, not sinking. Note the Pacific rim area illustrated below: The age of the oceanic crust, in the above image, is illustrated by color. The gradation from red to blue indicates increasing age. Blue represents crust created some 180 million years ago. Red indicates oceanic crust created quite recently on the geologic time scale. Center black lines delineate the mid-oceanic ridge volcanic rift zones. (Source: U.S. Geological Survey) Here is a Quicktime animation. This animation shows the three-dimensional structure of a "mid-ocean ridge", where two of the Earth's tectonic plates are spreading apart. The Earth's mantle wells up between the separating plates and melts, which feeds magma to active volcanoes along the spreading ridge. This ridge is adjacent to a "subduction zone", which is another setting where active volcanoes form, but due to plates converging instead of spreading apart. Both spreading ridges (like Explorer Ridge) and subduction zones (like the Marianas Arc) make up parts of the Submarine Ring of Fire. Animation by Clay Hamilton and Bill Chadwick. (Source: oceanexplorer.noaa.gov) CC Moontanman 1
rocket art Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Posted January 20, 2012 Nonsense. Your claim that geological data supports the sunken continent myth is absurd. All of the geological, topographical, tectophysical and paleomagnetic evidence (orientations of glacial striations along with the fossil pattern record) supports the theory of continental drift and oceanic-oceanic plate convergence occurring over timescales of hundreds of millions of years. This process in exceeding slow, it is ongoing and measurable today still. Subduction occurs on the edges of continental plates. It is not due to the sinking of large sheets of the earths crust (or mantle) where a mythical continent once vanished. The seafloor is spreading, not sinking. your argument can be explained by the gradual movement of the Pangaea land mass whose position may have existed about 200 Million years ago: In comparison with the Pangaea image the phenomenon that you mentioned were clearly evident especially between the continents of Africa/America/Antarctica/Australia. However, one may evidently notice as well a huge gap on the areas from where the legendary continent MU was supposed to be located. I am wondering if the present capacity of today's Scientific data could explain how such was the case. Understandably there are still realms where Science is yet able to explain, as the rigidity of its standards may be its boon, as well as its bane. However it would be interesting indeed for Science to finally discover the explanation, for by then it will finally meet the crossroads in its quest for Truth, and it would not be surprising that the ancient knowledge, the pricelessly preserved Myths of Humanity's ancestors will ultimately be vindicated. It already may have the answers that were preserved and nurtured through the ages, it simply awaits the time when Science will finally rediscover itself. By then, Human civilization would have reached a zenith in its chapter. Although the limitations of Science is to be taken on positive note for it is necessary in maintaining its veracity and ideals, what seemed amusing however, is how some treat the limits of Science as if somewhat its alternative "religion" instead :huh: , as if only Science monopolizes Truth, and quick in dismissing that anything that its limitations could not reach - as "Nonsense." Now, THAT is absurd. Besides, it still could not refute the possibility that indeed land masses may have been present in the disputed area as the continental drift continually occurred in the Pacific Plate, and may even further prove the inevitable fate of such land mass relative to such phenomenon. :hyper:
rocket art Posted January 20, 2012 Author Report Posted January 20, 2012 However, for the thread being transferred from "History" to "Strange Claims" forums may turn out to be somewhat a blessing in disguise after all. By then it would have much freer reign in its quest for Truth, for definitely Science as tool are meant to be utilized to achieve the means to an end (i.e. Truth) rather than the absurdity of perceiving the tool as an end itself and the rest as er, "nonsense" :blink: If the ancient voice of Humanity's ancestors were to be heard, it may echo the answer as to why, and may even hint as to the primordial era how the Solar system and the heavenly Planets came to be, and at the domestic level, may even help explain how this wonderful deep Blue planet happened to be in abundance of water, or why that mosquito kept pestering you. But then, since the limitations of Science is yet to achieve in reaching its crossroad, it is probably "nonsense" Unless there are those who may have found some sense to it.
pamela Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 However, for the thread being transferred from "History" to "Strange Claims" forums may turn out to be somewhat a blessing in disguise after all. By then it would have much freer reign in its quest for Truth, for definitely Science as tool are meant to be utilized to achieve the means to an end (i.e. Truth) rather than the absurdity of perceiving the tool as an end itself and the rest as er, "nonsense" :blink: I moved it to strange claims as this thread hardly falls under actual history and is merely your conjecture. If the ancient voice of Humanity's ancestors were to be heard, it may echo the answer as to why, and may even hint as to the primordial era how the Solar system and the heavenly Planets came to be, and at the domestic level, may even help explain how this wonderful deep Blue planet happened to be in abundance of water, or why that mosquito kept pestering you. But then, since the limitations of Science is yet to achieve in reaching its crossroad, it is probably "nonsense" Unless there are those who may have found some sense to it. It is through dreams and hope that the drive is borne to seek answers. We may not always find the answer or even truths,but the journey is no less significant :)
Turtle Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 Nonsense. Your claim that geological data supports the sunken continent myth is absurd. All of the geological, topographical, tectophysical and paleomagnetic evidence (orientations of glacial striations along with the fossil pattern record) supports the theory of continental drift and oceanic-oceanic plate convergence occurring over timescales of hundreds of millions of years. This process in exceeding slow, it is ongoing and measurable today still. Subduction occurs on the edges of continental plates. It is not due to the sinking of large sheets of the earths crust (or mantle) where a mythical continent once vanished. The seafloor is spreading, not sinking. Note the Pacific rim area illustrated below: CC while i agree rockety is talking nonsense in regards to conclusions, the sea floor does indeed "sink" at subduction zones. rockety's diagram illustrates this accurately. (Exhibit for evidence 2) Volcanic islands and land formations created by Subduction. The presently known Philippines with 7,107 archipelago islands, particularly in Mt. Apo, Davao, Mindanao relative to discussion in this thread, are mostly borne from volcanic origin. where i live in the pacific northwest us, it is the sinking of the plate of juan de fuca under the north american plate that has formed the cascade mountain range inland through volcanism, as well as the coast ranges by uplift at the margin. the plate is formed by spreading along the juan de fuca ridge, moves east & then subducts. it is and has been however a submarine plate and never was above water. this is known because some idiot scientists took core samples and found no continental rock, just as in & around the phillipines. if it weren't so sad it would be funny that rockety relies on the data and conclusions of the very scientists that he then demeans.
coldcreation Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 while i agree rockety is talking nonsense in regards to conclusions, the sea floor does indeed "sink" at subduction zones. rockety's diagram illustrates this accurately. Yes, at subduction zones the sea floor does sink (on the edges of continental and oceanic plates) as the plates converge. The problem is he uses this mechanism as a means to explain the disapparition of the mythical continent. From his second post, it is wrtitten: "Lemuria supposedly existed hundreds of thousands of years ago. This great continent was said to occupy the vast portion of the Pacific Ocean that once stetched from the shores of Japan, the trenches of the Philippine Deep and the Marianas, the Easter Islands, and along the western coast of present day Alaska and California. The legendary continent was said to have finally sunk about 22,600 years ago" A stretch of sea floor the size of "Mu" (or "Lemuria") could not possibly have disappeared via the subduction process, since it would have taken millions, if not hundreds of millions of years, to do so; as JMJones0424 pointed out earlier. CC Moontanman 1
Turtle Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 Yes, at subduction zones the sea floor does sink (on the edges of continental plates). thanks for your correction. now you are half-right inasmuch as there is also seafloor-seafloor subduction; i.e. subduction does not always take place at continental margins. Island arc formed by oceanic-oceanic subductionsource From his second post, it is wrtitten: "Lemuria supposedly existed hundreds of thousands of years ago. This great continent was said to occupy the vast portion of the Pacific Ocean that once stetched from the shores of Japan, the trenches of the Philippine Deep and the Marianas, the Easter Islands, and along the western coast of present day Alaska and California. The legendary continent was said to have finally sunk about 22,600 years ago" A stretch of sea floor the size of "Mu" (or "Lemuria") could not possibly "sink" via the subduction process, since it would take millions, if not hundreds of millions of years. CC yes, well as i found, & pointed out earlier here, these ideas/names "mu" & "lemuria" are pure inventions, not of geologists, but of 19th century "theosophists". supposedly just don't cut the mustard. :naughty: Theosophy @ wikiTheosophy (from Greek theosophia, from theos, divine + sophia, wisdom; literally "divine wisdom"), refers to systems of speculation or investigation seeking direct knowledge of the mysteries of being and nature, with particular concern on the nature of Divinity. Theosophy is also considered a part of the broader field of esotericism, referring to hidden knowledge or wisdom that offers the individual enlightenment and salvation. The theosophist seeks to understand the mysteries of the universe and the bonds that unite the universe, humanity and the divine world. The goal is to explore the origin of divinity and humanity (theogony and anthropogony) including the end of world, life and humanity (eschatology). Then, from investigation of these discover a coherent description of the purpose and origin of the universe (cosmogony). The theosophist inquires into the hieroglyphs of nature (insights, or poetic meaning, in flowers, rainbows etc.), using a method of interpretation founded upon a specific myth or revelation, to apply active imagination in order to draw forth symbolic meanings and further their pursuit of knowledge toward a complete understanding of these mysteries.[1][2] rockety=theosophy≠science Moontanman 1
Turtle Posted January 20, 2012 Report Posted January 20, 2012 in the case of easter island, which is not on a plate margin, there is the matter of intraplate volcanism, otherwise known as hotspots. Intraplate Volcanism...HOTSPOT TRACKS The Pacific plate contains several linear belts of extinct submarine volcanoes, called seamounts, an example of which is the Foundation seamount chain shown here. The Foundation seamount chain is located near Easter Island in the south Pacific. Courtesy of NOAA. The formation of at least some of these intraplate seamount chains can be attributed to volcanism above a mantle hotspot to form a linear, age-progressive hotspot track. Mantle plumes appear to be largely unaffected by plate motions. As lithospheric plates move across stationary hotspots, volcanism will generate volcanic islands that are active above the mantle plume, but become inactive and progressively older as they move away from the mantle plume in the direction of plate movement. Thus, a linear belt of inactive volcanic islands and seamounts will be produced. A classic example of this mechanism is demonstrated by the Hawaiian and Emperor seamount chains. ... it is possible that islands in these arcs can appear -in human memeory- to "sink", but in fact the mechanism is simply erosion.
coldcreation Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 thanks for your correction. now you are half-right inasmuch as there is also seafloor-seafloor subduction; i.e. subduction does not always take place at continental margins. In post #57 I mentioned: All of the geological, topographical, tectophysical and paleomagnetic evidence (orientations of glacial striations along with the fossil pattern record) supports the theory of continental drift and oceanic-oceanic plate convergence occurring over timescales of hundreds of millions of years. This process in exceeding slow, it is ongoing and measurable today still. Oceanic-oceanic plate convergence is obviously a factor to take into consideration, but it is still an extremely slow process. CC
Turtle Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 In post #57 I mentioned:...Oceanic-oceanic plate convergence is obviously a factor to take into consideration, but it is still an extremely slow process. ...CC :lol: well, since you have edited #62, making an apparent mystery of my complaint, i'll just have to take your word for your #57, having no way to determine if it was edited. :omg: ;) anyway, obvious factors require the same rigor & continuity as those not so obvious. i was surprised you made the errs and in the context of this thread they bear on rockety's claims so i qualified them. for the most part, yes these changes move too slowly to merit historical notice/record in oral legends, however in the case of seamounts and plate margin volcanic islands, islands can & do disappear beneath the waves in relatively short periods that humans can & do notice. the disappearence however is not due to sinking, but ersoion and/or explosive eruption. while our evident knowledge of undersea volcanism is yet poorly represented, this is a matter of available resources & not a matter of the validity of the general principles of the science of geology. of general interest, here is a post on a recent eruption in the s pacific as illustrative of possible legendary sinking/rising islands as well as of the current use by geologists of resources at hand. Here's an new article about an underwater volcano that's been erupting over the last several days near Tonga, an island in the South Pacific near Fiji. Undersea volcano erupts near Tonga - Science- msnbc.com
coldcreation Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 well, since you have edited #62, making an apparent mystery of my complaint, i'll just have to take your word for your #57, having no way to determine if it was edited. Neither post #62 nor #57 were edited after your posts. Perhaps you misread them to begin with? <_< And you do have a way to determine if #62 or #57 were edited. EDIT> see your post #61 where you quoted my post #57 (or Rocket's post #58 where he quotes post #57): it is identical. Notice the oceanic-oceanic reference. EDIT 2> In your post #63 you quoted my entire post #62. They are identical, hence no edit. The mystery of your complaint remains a mystery. CC
Turtle Posted January 21, 2012 Report Posted January 21, 2012 Neither post #62 nor #57 were edited after your posts. Perhaps you misread them to begin with? <_< And you do have a way to determine if #62 or #57 were edited. EDIT> see your post #61 where you quoted my post #57 (or Rocket's post #58 where he quotes post #57): it is identical. Notice the oceanic-oceanic reference. EDIT 2> In your post #63 you quoted my entire post #62. They are identical, hence no edit. The mystery of your complaint remains a mystery. CC perhaps there's some browser problem. :shrug: perhaps we've angered a spirit? :P here are current screen-shots of your post 62 and my 63. see that your 62 now has added "and oceanic plates"? that wasn't there when i quoted it. no doubt this exchange will become legend.
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