niviene Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 well! I would have been the first to admit that i was a sinner too!what's it mean to wish to be brothers and sisters in Christ? it means to wish that all people: 1.) Loved the Lord God with all their hearts, and with all their souls, and with all their minds and with all their strength AS THEY SHOULD. 2.) Loved others as they loved themselfs. Or "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. AS THEY SHOULD!!! Well... that's two wishes. Do you even know what the topic is? :hihi: If you were to wish that, the genie could wipe everyone out except for you (assuming you feel this way). This is especially funny for #2, because if you are the only person that exists, and you loved yourself, you would then love all others as you love yourself... On the other hand, the genie could a) turn everyone into a vegetable, removing their soul, mind, strength, etc., or :xx: make everyone want to kill themselves (or have a death wish), and then doing unto others (or loving others as they love themselves) wouldn't be such a great idea... my idea for the first one isn't quite as funny, but the second one there is definitely open to backfiring. :D Quote
Kirk Gregory Czuhai Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Well... that's two wishes. Do you even know what the topic is? :xx: If you were to wish that, the genie could wipe everyone out except for you (assuming you feel this way). This is especially funny for #2, because if you are the only person that exists, and you loved yourself, you would then love all others as you love yourself... On the other hand, the genie could a) turn everyone into a vegetable, removing their soul, mind, strength, etc., or :D make everyone want to kill themselves (or have a death wish), and then doing unto others (or loving others as they love themselves) wouldn't be such a great idea... my idea for the first one isn't quite as funny, but the second one there is definitely open to backfiring. :( are you ON something? :hihi: incidently, does anybody want to be a good physicist? http://www.altelco.net/~lovekgc/PhysicsIsTheAnswerLOL.htm love and peace,and,peace and love,(kirk) kirk gregory czuhaihttp://KirkGregoryCzuhai.WS Quote
niviene Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 are you ON something? :hihi: ....Are YOU on something? The point of this thread is this: Now I was wondering (in bed last night before falling asleep to be precise) is there a wish which has only one interpretation and it is good for somebody? Sincerely I doubt it. It seems like you missed the topic.. that's the point I was making in response to your post. Read some of the previous posts. Quote
Dark Mind Posted May 11, 2005 Report Posted May 11, 2005 Yes, please do try to stay on topic as well. This is not about us all being wished to love God and one another and whether or not it would be good but whether or not it has multiple interpretations and if it is "good" for somebody. Quote
sanctus Posted May 12, 2005 Author Report Posted May 12, 2005 Thanks for all your answers. I still think that there isn't an ultimate wish.Example omniscence: we get it, our brains capacity is to small, we die right away. brother and sisters in christ: Kirk, you destroyed it as being an ultimate wish already because you gave two interpretations of it, so it wouldn't be an ultimate wish, but two ultimate wishes. On the other hand you are a believer, so you don't question the existence of christ, but I do (if you want to discuss this open a new thread!) so in the case that he didn't exist then brothers and sisters in nothing could be interpreted as being nothing and be turned into that by the genie. Or being brothers and sisters would mean that we all had the same parents and as by nature we are limited (9 months between each child) this wish could reduce humanity to let's exagerate 40 people and from there on there would rest only incest, which goes against the christ saying and therefore we couldn't be brothers and sisters in christ and therefore we would be reduced to nothing, etc..... Pgrmdave, if we would be happy as you described for a brief moment as we never were before, it's like giving heroine to all the huumanity and as afterwards probably we will never have that happiness again the suicide rate will increase drastically. The non-selfish wishes somebody talked about: Also this wishes can be turned to a bad thing, let's say no suffering for all mankind.... does a dead person suffer? No, so the genie could just all the suffering people which in chain reaction would become all mankind. Nobody of you gave a wish wich can't be turned into something bad, that's why I still wonder if it is possible. Quote
bumab Posted May 12, 2005 Report Posted May 12, 2005 What about my wisdom wish? ;) Turn that one around! Quote
sanctus Posted May 13, 2005 Author Report Posted May 13, 2005 Wisdom. What is wisdom? Knowing everything? Cf. above Always act on logical analysis of the surroundings? Analysis: people suffer. They die-->they don't suffer anymore. I'm sure you find heaps of other definitions of wisdom and evry one can be turned around into something bad. Give me your definition and I'll turn it around for you. :) Quote
bumab Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 The knowledge with which to always do what's best for others.... There ya go! Twist that! (i don't doubt your powers :)) I definitly want to make a distinction between knowledge and wisdom. Omniscience has never been a garentee of wisdom... Lots of smart people are not wise. Quote
Fishteacher73 Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 With the looming population crisis the best thing to do for other would be to not be...That would probably be construed as a bad outcome for the individual... Quote
bumab Posted May 13, 2005 Report Posted May 13, 2005 Nice one, I didn't think of that :) Although, it is still considered good by everyone else (with that logic)... Quote
niviene Posted May 14, 2005 Report Posted May 14, 2005 Nice one, I didn't think of that ;) Although, it is still considered good by everyone else (with that logic)... Well... what about wishing for the freedom of the genie? I don't know how a magical being would exist openly in the world, but I don't know how he would exist in a bottle anyway, so... hehe Of course you'd have to be careful how you wished it... what about something like, "My wish is that you are no longer a slave to the bottle." Or, what about simply wishing that your wish is null? "I wish that this wish is null." Or "I wish that this wish is invalid." That's a paradox.. hehe. Perhaps the genie would then become confused and implode. ;) Quote
sanctus Posted May 14, 2005 Author Report Posted May 14, 2005 The knowledge with which to always do what's best for others.... . Tha'ts easy to twist, best for suffering people is that they stop to suffer: kill'em and they won't suffer anymore.Or as well suppose a very very mean person gets that wisdom then best for others would be that he ceases to exist. Or if best is that all have our western standard of living, then the world would be reduced to ashes quite rapidly (CO2 emissions, garbage,....). Quote
bumab Posted May 14, 2005 Report Posted May 14, 2005 Tha'ts easy to twist, best for suffering people is that they stop to suffer: kill'em and they won't suffer anymore. :friday: Nice. Quote
TJTodd Posted May 17, 2005 Report Posted May 17, 2005 I may be vain and selfish, but I would wish for something ridiculously cool and childish, like superpowers. Quote
sanctus Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Posted May 18, 2005 What's the use of flying at superman's speed but your body doesn't sustain the 10g acceleration? Quote
infamous Posted May 19, 2005 Report Posted May 19, 2005 If you wish in one hand, and _______ in the other, which one will get full first? But now that I think about it, I would wish that every future wish that I propose would be fullfilled. How is that for being given an inch and then taking a mile?? Quote
infamous Posted May 19, 2005 Report Posted May 19, 2005 Actually, in all seriousness, I would wish that no more war would ever again be in mankinds future. I'm sad to say that I'm confident that my wish will not be granted. Quote
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