How can telepathy be possible in perspective of science?

[Guest twistedlink]

Ok

 

two things

 

Superconductors

Language

 

Superconductors are super cooled elements that when cooled down so much, have no resistance and allows electrons to "jump" wildly without any noticable transfer, and involves a lot of quantumn mechanics and its "random factor"

 

Every element has its own temperature in which it becomes superconductive, however the brain is apparently (meaning ive read this and cant confirm it as absolute truth but what ive read behind it seems plausbile and logical) made of certain structures whereby the superconductivity happens at temperatures which we naturally live at

 

This could mean we can transfer electrons to another persons brain, and this is where the 2nd word comes into play

 

Language

 

Right, even if we COULD send electrons into other peoples brains...so what?

its an electron, or many electrons hitting a certain part of there brain

For a REALLY basic example

 

brain cell A. B and C

Brain cell A stimulated makes you think of windows

" " " " " " B " " " " " " " " " " " " " " "" " " " " doors

" " " " " " C " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " " floors

 

If i sent an electron into my friends brain and hit cell A

 

he will think of a window

as his brain would use an electron to do this ANYWAY, no matter WHO'S brain is giving the electron to it.

 

and this is the problem, electrons seem to only be one way, youd have loads of info being put into your head and wont know the sources, reading minds is different from sending information.

 

and even if we could read minds, so what?

 

Oh my brain can tell Cell B is being stimulated in my friends brain

so he's thinking of doors,

 

But my cell B stimulated makes me think of hotdogs, so i THINK he is THINKING of hotdogs

 

every brain works differently, and thinks of things differently, the amount of translation required to get the information contained to a nitty gritty word or meaning is PHENOMENAL.

 

Even if we can transfer information, itd have to be translated

 

I have seen some humans who can't even spell simple words properly, what makes you think human minds can decypt millions of electrical impulses into there own structure of information?

 

 

I havent read everyones posts in this topic

 

If i have repeated any points then im sorry ;)

[Guest twistedlink]

Hmmm a lot of stephen hawking science and many other VERY sophisticated sciences come to think of it have theoretically and sometimes physically proved something EXISTS, as in any entity for example strings within string theory etc etc

 

the maths is there but the reasoning is not.

 

We know diffusion happens in chemistry but its the process that makes that which allows us to obtain many more facts

 

we know MANY facts of the universe but we only theorise how they got there and im sure there are thousands more possible scenarios we have simply overlooked because

 

1.It would not make sense within our current knowledge

2.we dont have knowledge of a certain thing to make such scenarios and

3.It is something we would like to know/hear

 

Psychology plays a very big part in knowing stuff as the brain naturally blisses what it doesnt like hearing.

 

but thats another subjects

 

Ive read over some points in this topic about personal times of psychic/telepathic powers

 

 

I myself for the past 2 years now (and its getting worse) have been getting de ja vu a lot, to a point where i know what is actually going to happen, and what someone will say.

 

Not only this but i have done something cool before, you can try it if you like

 

its kind of...weird but bear with me

 

Im open to people laughing at me but oh well

 

If i close my eyes (or look into my eyes with the aid of a mirror) and think to myself "I am me"

 

and keep looking at myself either visually in my brain or in the mirror

 

I start to think of myself in 3rd person-as though i am not myself, during this state i start to get a lot of info in my brain from literally nowhere, like my past happenings etc etc, and i have a massive surge of ideas and information.

 

After i do this i dont like being alone as when i stop this and look at myself i cant stop thinking of myself as a foreign entity.

and keep thinking "Im me" and kind of "judge" myself on whatever i have seen etc.

 

Now this can be taken into scientific spiritual and religious contexts

 

I personally think i am just psychologically very...odd

 

cant properly explain it, but i personally feel my psychology allows me to observe even myself

 

I am very observant if i dont say so myself

 

funny

the human brain takes in millions of pieces of information, knows how the body is, and whether its working fine (in general) yet the one thing it doesnt observe or think of is ITSELF!

 

I seem to think of my brain and think of it in 3rd person...

I seem to move out of my body as it were and go TOTALLY into my brain, PURE information.

 

Please tell me if anyone else can do this

[Queso]

yes i can do this. just the other night i was staring into the mirror and my face was wobbling. i laughed like a mad man in the middle of the night. self-realization is sometimes the key to a surge of thought, although i have my own remidies ;)

 

funny

the human brain takes in millions of pieces of information, knows how the body is, and whether its working fine (in general) yet the one thing it doesnt observe or think of is ITSELF!

 

are you serious?

i thought people think of themselves, in general, way too much. although, they never realize what they really are. this human entity thing passing through the dimensions. we are weird, really weird. sometimes the science inside of us is truely menacing, other times it's not.

[Guest twistedlink]

well yeah people think of themself

but they seem to touch the skin

 

they go"Ohhh im getting fat"

or "oohhhh i look gooood" (lol)

 

etc etc

 

Its mainly bodily, the brain never thinks of itself as in the actual brain, when we talk to people we think of the bodies talking to transfer info, its actually the BRAIN thats transferring the info through sound etc etc

 

Observe as in...kind of like...Look at your life from 3rd person prospective...yet also inside yourself, its very hard to explain

 

either way i cant do it for long because i start to get scared, and start ( dare i say it) talking to myself and acting "kind of" schitzophrenic

 

but i wouldn't worry i am not lol.

Never had a history of this and never had a family history of mental illness

 

in retrospect i always remember as a kid i used to talk to myself though, and i always had my voice talking in my head when i thought of things, like for example

 

if im trying to figure something out, i talk to myself and have 2 different "people" both my voice arguing over both sides (In my head, i dont ACTUALLY talk to myself and have both sides having an argument LOL)

 

It actually comes in VERY handy in exams, My brain kinda of splits into two different people and they both notice 2 different things that the other one wouldnt have.

 

My brain seems to purposely object my own ideas so i can observe them better, and not be one sided.

 

To clarify-I am not mad...I have been called weird and eccentric though LOL.

 

When i do think or hear voices, its always my own voice, and it doesnt tell me to do things, it usually summarises what i am thinking.

 

Basically-intuition in voice form lol

[Queso]

those two people are actually one person, as i'm sure your logic knows.

one voice, one brain, infinite wisdom.

do you ever meditate? this thread is getting pretty off topic, but i don't think it matters.

it's amazing how much you can progress with meditation.

i don't know anything traditional about it, but i have my own form. i just put my headphones on (usually ambience, or music with no words. godspeed you! black emperor is definitely my favorite) i turn off all the lights, and i sit cross legged on my bed. my thoughts are instant, thousands of questions are raised within me, by me, from everything i've ever experienced in my entire life.

i'm learning from everything i've ever known, using logic and previous observations to answer these questions i am faced with.

this helps me a lot with my perspective by allowing infinite possibilities in perspective itself.

try it sometime.

[Queso]

and the questions i can not answer, well, that's where hypography comes in ;) i like your posts twisted link, you should stick around here a while. most people come, most people go.

[Guest twistedlink]

Yeah i know it's all me, i just seem to make divisions with my brain and (hope you know about computers) kind of "hyperthread" my thoughts

 

If you dont know about processors intel processors or the new ones anyway have hyperthreading whereby bandwidth id effectively doubled and one processor computes as two.

 

And i dont meditate...like most people, but everytime i am in bed i think to myself (sometimes all night and never sleep) about questions, and make my own varied answers of them, usually by the end of the night i have thought of so many answers and disproved them all that i start to become confused and frustrated, and come across holes within the answers etc etc.

 

But its a lot of fun, and relaxing too, it doesnt seem to take energy out of me to think for hours like this even though thinking heavily is meant to be taxxing and tiring.

 

Im glad you find my posts interesting lol, some people think im a bit forwards too much...which i suppose is true...but ah well cant win em all eh? lol

[Qfwfq]

He quotes something like this:

 

"There is NO 'this causing that', it is an illusion. All things happen on their own when conditions are right."

But, doesn't that place the "right conditions" as being the cause of those "things" that happen?

[DAK]

<the maths is there but the reasoning is not.>

 

The reasoning is of the intellect... the ego... objects. Science is 'objective' facts and has not [modern, of course it's been addressed by some of the greats in history] until now addressed conciousness itself. The next step in physics is pointing rather bluntly to conciousness itself.

 

Since 'scientific facts' are [to differing degrees, this is what transcending the ego is all about] separated out and observed BY the conciousness via the intellect [ego], the fact that none of them address the conciousness itself doesnt mean there is nothing there. It's just that conciousness can't be separated out on the intellectual level {proven} and sliced and diced, but that doesn't mean there's nothing there, which seems to be many scientist's implication.

 

DAK

[Turtle]

___DAK, I also "talk to my self in my head". As you point out, voices in the head right away makes people think schizophrenia, but there is just one voice in my head & it's me.

___Have you turned any of your deja vu experiences to use?; i.e. knowing what is to happen, have you tried to change it?

[DAK]

<the amount of translation required to get the information contained to a nitty gritty word or meaning is PHENOMENAL.>

 

My experience is that you are talking about information that then is spelled out via the intellect whereas telepathy may well be a deeper "knowing" as expereinced by the non-thinking state {various spiritual names for this}. So when someone's sister dies and the brother "knows"... it doesn't necessarily come across as a sentance or anything... it's a deep loss {or whatever} that could only be one thing. There is supposedly all sorts of non-verbal communications skills that many think have been lost simply due to lack of use. A simple one of these is dicernment about other people that some people exibit and others are clueless. Some people "know" not to get involved with a potential friend, date, etc for example... they just know, there is no intellectual stuff running through their head unless they sit down and think about it.

 

<cant properly explain it, but i personally feel my psychology allows me to observe even myself>

 

This could be construed as the essence of spiritual practice... watching the ebb and flow of thoughts and feelings in ones self. Psychologist George Pransky says:

 

"The level of ones well being {ie. my interpretation would be level of conciousness as well to some extent} is directly related to the the % of thought recognition.

 

Most people have no idea what they are thinking... all sorts of occurances will set off a 10-20 second or even minutes worth of repetative thought structure. A pattern or habit formed which they have no control over... till they recognize it and 'bring into conciousness for resolution'.

 

DAK

[DAK]

<But, doesn't that place the "right conditions" as being the cause of those "things" that happen?>

 

"In a field of objects, any one or several can be selected for attention or examination and the remainder become termed 'context'. If we change the selection to another object, then the objects originally selected now shift in terminology from 'content' to constitute part of the new 'context'. Thus we can see that there is no actual discrete divisibility of the Allness of the Totality of Creation except in mentalizing about if via arbitrary perceptions and points of observation."

 

"All knowlege rests upon and arises out of an epistemological matrix that of itself forms the very context of comprehension. The context of epistemology is in turn the nonlinear qualities of consciousness. Thus, all information systems require a comprehension of the nature of consciousness to reach their full understanding."

 

"An infinite number of unidentifiable ways, potentiates an infinite number of possible responses, all of which are themselves subject to an infine number of possibilities. Thus we can see that the hypothetical "cause" of anything that can be perceived or is invisible is the entirety of the whole universe in its collective totality throughtout all time. Thus, to believe that the human mind can actually discern a 'cause' of anything at all is really a colossal delusion and a pomposity of egotism."

 

-Dr. David Hawkins, "I, REALITY AND SUBJECTIVITY"

 

With the hope that Dr. David Hawkins will approve of these quotes being used for the furtherment of human knowlege.

 

DAK

[Qfwfq]

You mean... after Diego Armando Maradona kicked the football, I could say that it just happened to whizz away and fly right through the goal posts, without any """cause""" being identifiable? Maybe that's why his carrer didn't last quite as long as expected, coke and things had nothing to do with it, they weren't """causes""" either!

[DAK]

<coke and things had nothing to do with it, they weren't """causes""" either!>

 

Well, this parts easy!! "Coke" is absolutely part of a greater context of ones problems, you don't have to be a scientist to know that, just a first year psych student.

 

DAK

[Qfwfq]

"Coke" is absolutely part of a greater context of ones problems

Is it enough of a problem to be rich and always wanting to have a good time?

[DAK]

<Is it enough of a problem to be rich and always wanting to have a good time?>

 

"Causation" {A causes B} is of the linear domain. Life nor experience is linear, therefore one would expect that any time one says "A causes B" that the statement would represent varying degrees of truth depending on the the domain being talked [the linear domain being the genesis of causation since it appears 'true' there} about and the viewpoint of the viewer.

 

Social "problems" are an obvious example of all sorts of beliefs where statements about causation usually carry little truth, in fact may be more false than true. Since words and some thought { the type described as mental words} are linear and reality is not, can any statement ever be really labeled 'true'? Taken to it's conclusion then, truth would actually be radically subjective... which is what quantum mechanics is pointing at and why so many won't 'go there'.

 

All of life then would be like the curve in ones first calculous class where one's thinking mind draws the little theoretical perpendicular lines protruding from the curve and then another perpendicular to that forming the nice comfy little triangles that we can measure and understand...

 

Now, something real interesting would be that the bigger the triangles used, the further away from the truth one gets! An example of this that would probably be acceptable to most people would be sports. It is widely accepted that ones greatest potential is displayed when in 'the zone', or a non-thinking state where it is simly known exactly what to do.

 

To take this knowlege to other areas of life is simly unthinkable to most of our intellectual society, but in a Zen monestary, for example, it's a life long quest. To look at those two examples of course is not likely to lead one to much inquiry. But the realization that Psychology, and other more 'Western' pathways {"spirituality" in the form of 'Buddhist type' inquiry is exploding in the West} into the non-intellectual world are being taken by those seeking the 'Truth' is interesting. In fact, Psychology itself seems to be moving from analyzing the content of thought, to the process of thinking itself. It's well known that level of well being is directly related to the level of ones 'thought recognition', and that compulsive thinking is not only detrimental to leading a happy healthy life, but to experiencing reality. Compulsive thinkers would have HUGE trianges against their curve of reality as they walk around 'in their head', taking in little new. It's probably worth mentioning that the 'Eureka' moments experienced by Einstein, Edision, etc etc are believed to come from not from the thinking state, but the 'clear' state.

 

DAK

[blazer2000x]

There is actually some (though not completely stable) scientific proof for telepathy, most studies have indicated there is some type of bond between spouses and close friends or relatives. Also, there are some people who seem to posess the ability of psychokenises.

And there are of course Dr. Rhine's studies on the subject which constantly reach odds well beyond chance.

http://www.uri-geller.com/ps2.htm

http://www.uri-geller.com/potm27.htm

These pages are an excellent source for proof of it's existance.

(please note that I do not think Uri Geller is psychic, I just found these on his site)