Cymatics

[Turtle]

___I can't recall when I first stumbled on Cymatics, but it is a fascinating topic. In brief it involves driving plates covered in various materials, eg. sand, with input from sound & examining the resulting patterns the materials form on the plate. Some of the patterns look similar to fractals, but this falls far short of explaining how dynamic the topic is.

___Here is an introductory link with some explanation, pictures, & videos:

http://www.cymaticsource.com/

____Any one ever heard of this before? ;) ;) What a neat experimental device to have handy! ;)

[Qfwfq]

Try this:

 

http://www.frankperry.co.uk/Cymatics.htm

 

It seems to be something quite explainable by acoustics. For a given mode of viration the plate surface will be hopping up and down more at some points, less at others and there will be nodes where it isn't. This will, obviously, influence the distribution of the grains.

[Turtle]

__Thanks for the link Qfwfq. I did not intened to imply this was unexplainable. Once you see the device, it indeed seems understandable. What I particularly found interesting was that when the sound of certain Hebrew vowels were spoken into the device, the pattern that formed on the plate looks like how the vowel is written. :) Vowels from other languages made no such pattern on the plate.

___Not unexplainable perhaps, but extremely interesting to me. ;)

[UncleAl]

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when the sound of certain Hebrew vowels were spoken into the device, the pattern that formed on the plate looks like how the vowel is written

Native Sephardic Hebrew has only one written vowel - oo. It is a letter consisting of a vertical line with a vertically-centered dot to its left. Your statement is therefore trash at the onset. There are no written vowels for the patterns to look like.

 

Ashkenazic Hebrew was rewritten in the middle 19th century in Germany, with written vowels (written below the letters) being introduced - aw (little capital T), ah (dash), eh (three dots in a triangle, apex down), ee (single dot), eee (signel dot; apostrophe to the left of the letter it is under), and another oo (three descending dots in a row at an angle, highest on the left and lowest at the right). Sephardic Hebrew does not have an aw sound at all, and most of the Ashkenazic s-sounds are pronounced as Sephardic t. Written Arabic is even more ambiguous than written Hebrew.

 

Descent from science into crap.

"Cymatics and the healing nature of sound."

"For decades, students of Sacred Geometry, Mandalas, New Science, Metaphysics, Sound Healing and even Crop Circles have coveted these hard-to-find volumes"

[Turtle]

___I should have prefaced my comment on the vowel stuff with "he/they claim".

___Language aside for the moment, the machine & method here is fascinating. I note how observing physical interaction patterns may have value, ie carry otherwise unrecognized information. For example, the device Polynesians use to navigate by, which is a series of tied sticks that model wave interactions. While at sea & observing local wave interactions in the vicinity of the boat a comparison is made to the stick device & the direction & distance of land is determined.

___Regardless of what others claim for cymatics, I find it a laudible & revealing example of the spirit of investigation & experiment. :friday:

[Qfwfq]

True that Semitic alephbets were essentially consonantal at first, but the later partly followed the Greek idea and often use aleph for a sounds, vau for o-u sounds and yod or ye for vowel i sounds.

 

In any case the pattern of nodes depends much on the plate, it couldn't be determined for a given sound.

[Turtle]

___Qfwfq said, "In any case the pattern of nodes depends much on the plate, it couldn't be determined for a given sound."

___I don't quite understand that Q as the plate remained the same & different sounds put onto the plate make different patterns. :friday:

[Turtle]

A plethora of videos on cymatics now at YouTube. Explanation of the hexagon on Saturn's North pole? Responisble for activation of the spirit molecule? Pick your poison. :D I'll just have the hemlock, no sugar please. :) :cup: :)

 

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[paigetheoracle]

Something else interesting Turtle is that apparently there is a musical notation inscribed on the beams of Rosslyn chapel, as mentioned in The Da Vinci code, that shows musicians must have stumbled upon this themselves before independently but had to hide it because of the mores of the time.

[paigetheoracle]

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"Cymatics and the healing nature of sound."

"For decades, students of Sacred Geometry, Mandalas, New Science, Metaphysics, Sound Healing and even Crop Circles have coveted these hard-to-find volumes"

 

Could there be an actual relationship between sound and form? By this I mean crystals, cells, life forms in general? Dr Masaru Emoto has shown a relationship between positive vibration and form, and this seems to back that ('In the beginning was the word' might be trying to tell us more than we're currently aware of for instance). Viktor Schaubergers work on water falls in with this too I believe but being no expert I cannot say how at this moment. Cymatics seems to show that vibration can organize matter into form and think how music 'moves' us too - take out sound from a film and what emotion do you feel? Do you get 'involved' without it?

 

I personally think there is an intimate connection between sound and (e)motion and sight and stillness (silence). It is this that explains what is here (frozen in time) and what is not (released, to travel on - expansive). In other words there is a science to the senses, that the observer effect only touches on and Cymatics broaches like a fascinated child with a science experiment.

[mzizik]

Hello everyone,

 

This is my first post. I am a student of architecture, and I am proposing a thesis on the merits of cymatics & architectural design. Is anyone familiar enough with the topic to offer me a more in-depth analysis of past investigations into the subject of cymatics? Along the same lines, does anyone know of architects who have explored the subject?

 

I appreciate the help.

[Turtle]

Hello everyone,

 

This is my first post. I am a student of architecture, and I am proposing a thesis on the merits of cymatics & architectural design. Is anyone familiar enough with the topic to offer me a more in-depth analysis of past investigations into the subject of cymatics? Along the same lines, does anyone know of architects who have explored the subject?

 

I appreciate the help.

 

Hey Miz! Cool idea. I don't have any specifics of others work in this area, but your post prompted some visualizations of my own. What if you use a cymatic platform to agitate polymers and get them to 'gel' in predetermined forms? These may then be used as architectural components, or as scale models for design elements. That's all I got. Welcome to the forum. :)

[UncleAl]

Something that can explain but not accurately predict is crap - psychology, economics, religion... Cymatics. Shouting "heteroskedasticity!" (economics) or "test of faith!" (religion) does not make it better.

[Thunderbird]

Something that can explain but not accurately predict is crap - psychology, economics, religion... Cymatics. Shouting "heteroskedasticity!" (economics) or "test of faith!" (religion) does not make it better.

Your such a romantic :)

 

heterodyning; Alternating currents of two different frequencies that are combined to produce two new frequencies, the sum and difference of the original frequencies.

 

 

 

The Earth Turned to Bring Us Closer

 

The earth turned to bring us closer,

it spun on itself and within us,

and finally joined us together in this dream

as written in the Symposium.

Nights passed by, snowfalls and solstices;

time passed in minutes and millennia.

An ox cart that was on its way to Nineveh

arrived in Nebraska.

A rooster was singing some distance from the world,

in one of the thousand pre–lives of our fathers.

The earth was spinning with its music

carrying us on board;

it didn't stop turning a single moment

as if so much love, so much that's miraculous

was only an adagio written long ago

in the Symposium’s score.

 

-Eugenio Montejo

[UncleAl]

heterodyning; Alternating currents of two different frequencies that are combined to produce two new frequencies, the sum and difference of the original frequencies.

 

http://www.chromasia.com/images/chaos_theory_b.jpg

Don't attend a gunfight armed with a putty knife,

 

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Archtectural creative design suffers from Cartesian/Newtonian "common sense" in a non-linear universe. Any clever generator of new structure and form is welcome (e.g., Burj Dubai). As with cayenne pepper in food... know when to stop. (Frank crumples sheets of paper then sees how they relax.)

[Thunderbird]

http://www.chromasia.com/images/chaos_theory_b.jpg

Don't attend a gunfight armed with a putty knife,

 

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lissajous 10,900 hits

 

One Frank Gehry building is exciting. Two Frank Gehry buildings are interesting. Ten Frank Gehry buildings are a junkyard. How many can you view before getting queasy?

 

Google images

"Frank Gehry" 121,000 hits

 

Archtectural creative design suffers from Cartesian/Newtonian "common sense" in a non-linear universe. Any clever generator of new structure and form is welcome (e.g., Burj Dubai). As with cayenne pepper in food... know when to stop. (Frank crumples sheets of paper then sees how they relax.)

 

The basic architecture of complex life, and elemental components of a DNA strand appears to have formed not just by chemical reactions, but predominantly around a recursive logarithmic spiral. This geometry is expressed as the waves curls in on itself redirecting the linear flow into a circular one. An undifferentiated microbial mass in the X-axis transitions into recursive spiraling mass that initiates a self organizing architectural framework. This basic geometric flow acts as a bridge connecting fluid dynamics and a life support system for a self-organizing eukaryote system. Macro-dynamics construct and assemble the Micro-components, that intern capture and contain the Macro-dynamics. Life is based not only on chemical relationships, but initially on an efficient flow of energy. The fluidity in the architecture of life geometries conformed around this pattern of flow.

 

This flow pattern is based on a recursive logarithmic spiral, The geometric flow pattern that are mutually sustained by heterodyning of dual recursive phi spirals that together sustain and create a fractal hierarchy of a cardiopulmonary system. Along with the synchronization of internal genetics.

The Double helix of the DNA molecule.

[UncleAl]

Here's a hint: Stringing together random jargon in the Liberal Arts makes you a wit. Stringing together random jargon in the sciences gets you no more than half as far.

heterodyning of dual recursive phi spirals

Rational thought is not the confluence of overwhelming ignorance with overweening arrogance. The Guggenheim Museum in New York is a nice snail shell. As Men in Black demonstrated, pretty is not necessarily functional.