Are we there YET?

[IMAMONKEY!]

OK! let me get right down to it. I htink there might be a feasible way to get to Alpha Centuari within the next 100 years! And i am talking about a manned expedition! :friday: Maybe... You see... i did a little research to find out this stuff and it took me a while but was worth it. :eek:

 

I made a few guesses as to speeds and such, but other than that this is all fact!

 

As you all probably know, the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second! :cup: That is about 186,282.39705122088 miles per second! :mad: :eek: :eek:

 

Alpha Centauri (A) is about 4.35 light years away. That is 70,012,376,110 miles!

 

Now this is a guess, but If you were to take a shuttle and slingshot it around Saturn, you would go much faster than the the Voyager 1 probe! The probe was going a top speed of about 38,000 MPH. I'M guessing the shuttle would reach at least 5 times that much without the gravity slingshot. And if they used a slingshot with Saturn's Gravity, they could reach at least 10 times as much as Voyager 1.Theres more! If they deployed a space sail that catches photons form the sun, theyd reach maybe 20-25 times that much! And if they were to use a gravity sling around Jupiter instead of Saturn... well.. the posibilities are endless, but im willing to guess they would be hitting at the very least 800,000 miles per hour!!!:cup:

 

10% of the SOL (speed of light) is about 18,628.79 miles per second! Thats about 67,063,644 MPH. Thus a Shuttle using a gravity Slingshot around Jupiter and deploying a space sail would probably reach about 222 and 2/9 Miles per second. That is about...

 

1/10 of a percent of the speed of light or the SOL x 0.001192932

 

At this rate of speed, getting to Alpha Centauri would take about... ummm...

 

3,646.477922 years. :cup:... wait a minute...:eek: ok so maybe we cant get there in a while... but if we were to upgrade our shuttles within the next few seconds to be able to achieve speeds of about...4.35% of the speed of light which is 8383.707867 Miles per Second, then we could get there in exactly 100 years! :cup:

[C1ay]

Presupposing this and presupposing that is not science. All you've posted is a bunch of guesses and assumptions.

[UncleAl]

That is about 186,282.39705122088 miles per second!

Idiot.

 

The Starflight Handbook, Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, 1989

 

Engineering interstellar flight is irrelevant because the physics is damning. You either turn off inertial mass to avoid the beta factor in mass acceleration in Special Relativity or you find a dimensional shortcut. The former still has the lightspeed limit - four lightyears distance requires at least eight years round trip as viewed at home. The later violates causality, something that the universe does not tolerate.

 

The answer is disgustingly obvious. One uses a stardrive that goes back in time as it goes forward in space. Now you can travel to anywhere instantly and only need a trivially small velocity to do it. Invention of said prospatial-retrotemporal stardrive is left as an exercise for the interested reader.

 

"Black space suddenly looked horribly wrong as the ship began to slip through progressively decompactified dimensions in exponentiating PSRT starflight. A newbie on her first slide down the glistening haft of spacetime swallowed most of a long, long scream."

 

Etc.

[Queso]

Idiot.

 

UncleAl, you rock.

[IMAMONKEY!]

ok! so sue me i dont know any physics or stuff like that! :eek: Some of us dont happen to have the benefit of being accomplished scientists, or amatuers that post on science forums every day for 4 years! Im 13 for gods sake!!!:mad: I dont have a flippen clue half of what you said! Can you at least give me the benefit of the doubt?!?!? i mean cmon! I havent read that book and i havent studied extensively on this subject! :eek:

 

IM sry that my intellect does not match up to your superior standards! It was just inquisitive speculation!!! I mean cmon! i know the rules and im so mad id break every one of them for the statements you made in that post!!! :friday: Bad move! i mean geez! you cant assume that im some genius whos studied advanced physics and all that! :eek: :( :eek: :xx: :eek:

[Queso]

hey monkey, it's all good. we respect your age and understand your ...what's the word? i don't know, knowledge limit. these mere insults will only in the future influence you to become stronger.

[C1ay]

I do think 'Idiot' was more of an attack than debate myself...

[Queso]

it's also a form of under-the-breathe remark of astonishment.

boy falls off bike.

bystander watches boy fall of bike.

bystander says idiot without boy hearing.

bystander helps boy in the process by teaching him things.

[IMAMONKEY!]

i didnt learn anything from his statement if you want my opinion. Tormod please close this thread, i do not wish this matter to be discussed further. ;)

[bumab]

it's also a form of under-the-breathe remark of astonishment.

 

True, but idiot implies the superiority of the remark-er compared to the remark-ee, which usually qualifies as an attack when people are involved... ;)

[Queso]

yeah! people! oi, always taking things the wrong way. golly gee!

[IMAMONKEY!]

ckeck out my car! Isnt it awesome? i got custom hydraulics on this baby! ;)

[Queso]

my car is missing a mirror, and the other one is held on with super glue. beat that monkey ;)

[Dark Mind]

ckeck out my car! Isnt it awesome? i got custom hydraulics on this baby! :D

 

Nice way to change the subject....:)

 

 

I do agree with C1ay that it was more off an attack than an elder trying to help someone younger than him understand something (Best case scenario: He was trying to teach you to study up on topics you decide to post on, and make sure the information or mathematics are correct.). But on a different level I do agree with UncleAl's comment (Although it could've easily been worded.... nicer.), you should read on the topics that interest you, get a general understanding of what you're posting, and be able to defend your theory. I would not encourage UncleAl to use this type of "helping" in the future and I ask that he try to keep it on a more civil level (This is supposed to be a gathering of intellectuals [Don't say a word, UncleAl...]! You know, the ones where people discuss and debate philosphical or theoretical ideas, thoughts, or beliefs.). But, IMAMONKEY!, you really do need to understand the laws of physics before posting something as ludacris as this, the radiation alone could kill you at those speeds and then you would have to take in to consideration how you plan on keeping the craft in one piece. I'm not trying to publicly humiliate you, I'm trying to help you become a more intelligent person that can base his assumptions on previous laws of physics that have held up under even the most rigorous of tests and scrutiny. Learn first, theorize second. Scientists before you have done the hard parts, just learn what they have tried to teach us.;)

 

PS

Don't even, ever think about travelling at or above the speed of light, it won't happen. Matter becomes *infinitely* massive at those speeds, which is impossible.;)

 

It's after posts like these that I wonder why I'm still the only Junior Moderator on the force....;)

[Dark Mind]

It's after posts like these that I wonder why I'm still the only Junior Moderator on the force....:hyper:

Guess I can't say that anymore...:eek: