New discovery

[peacegirl]

Hi everyone, I thought you all might be interested in a discovery that deals with a psychological law of man's nature which has never been perceived before. Once it is understood by our leading scientists, it will have the power to revolutionize our world in a positive way. The author made this discovery in 1959 but never had a chance to see his work investigated in his lifetime. I am trying to prevent this knowledge from getting lost for another century because it would be a tragedy of the worst magnitude. I know it is not often that someone makes claims of this sort, but I hope you will give me the benefit of the doubt. I know the pitfalls of discussing this topic in a venue of this type, as I have been to a few forums and was taken aback by my inability to get certain points across in a question and answer format. I also know that many people will tell me my claims have not been proven by their scientific scrutiny. Only time will tell whether this knowledge has true merit. I hope that if you find anything interesting in what I discuss, you will want to read my book when it comes out, as I can only scratch the surface of a 593 page book. Thanks for listening.

[bumab]

So... what's the claim, anyway?

[peacegirl]

So... what's the claim, anyway?

 

This discovery has far-reaching implications for today's world because it prevents the conditions that lead to hurt and retaliation in human relations. How this is accomplished is amazing to behold once the facts about our true nature are understood. For the very first time we are able to get a glimpse of a new world where there will be no war, crime, or hatred betgween man and man. I know this sounds ludicrous but please contain your skepticism enough to hear me out. I have cold feet from previous forums but I will give it my best shot to explain a small portion of this work which I know to be undeniable.

[bumab]

Shoot.

[peacegirl]

Shoot.

 

I am not sure where to begin except to say that behind the door marked 'determinism' there is a storehouse of knowledge which opens the gate to this new world. The knowledge that man's will is not free is not the discovery; it is the gateway where the answer to man's problems have been found. You must understand that when I refer to determinism, I am not referring to a first cause or to the idea that we are automatons. That is not the definition this author used. In fact, the two opposing beliefs, that man's will is free and that man's will is determined are actually reconciled with the understanding that comes with this knowledge.

[bumab]

Which is?

 

(gettin' my post count up here ;))

[peacegirl]

Which is?

 

(gettin' my post count up here ;))

 

I have to be very careful how I proceed so as not to confuse anyone. Then it will be my fault that they didn't understand. Without the book to quote word for word, I have to paraphrase and the explanation in my own words might be unclear. Moreover, I am not following the way it was presented in the book, which is much more orderly. That being said, I will try my best.

 

There is a tremendous misunderstanding about the meaning of determinism therefore it is necessary to show where the confusion lies and prove absolutely and positively that will is not free so the reader will be able to follow the reasoning that leads to the discovery. Once it is proven mathematically - which takes into consideration the implications - there can be no more opinions or theories expressed on the subject, just as our ancestors stopped saying, "I believe the earth is flat", once they knew for a fact that it was round.

 

Under the banner of determinism one 20th century philosopher stated that if man committed a crime, society was to blame; if he was a fool, it was the fault of the machine, which had slipped a cog in generating him." In other words, he assumes that this kind of knowledge, the knowledge that states man's will is not free, allows a person to shift his responsibility for what he does. One individual blames society for his crimes, as he rots in prison, while another blames the mechanical structure of the machine which slipped a cog and made him into a fool.

 

However, you will soon see that not only this philosopher but all mankind are very much confused by the misleading logic of words that do not describe reality for what it is. This is why it is imperative that we proceed in an undeniable, not logical manner otherwise someone may quote this philosopher, a priest, professor, lawyer, judge or politician as an authority for believing in freedom of the will.

[C1ay]

So begin with this mathematical proof. We're all ears.

[Queso]

i'm pretty much eyes. but you know what he meant...i'm just a literal bastard.

[peacegirl]

Once it is discovered through mathematical reasoning that man's will is definitely not free, then it becomes impossible to blame an individual for what he is compelled to do; consequently, it is imperative that we discover a way to prevent his desire to do the very things for which blame and punishment were previously necessary, as the lesser of two evils.

 

In other words, the corollary, Thou Shall Not Blame, when it is extended does not mean that we will be forced to condone what hurts us, but we will be shown how to prevent these evils by mathematically extending the corollary.

 

Christ said 'Turn the other cheek' and Durant said 'This is impossible.' Just think abut this for one moment. Would you bleieve that both principles are mathematically correct?" To get to this point, however, you can see what had to be done first since the paths leading up to this understanding were camouflaged with layers upon layers of words that concealed the truth.

[peacegirl]

If you would like to learn that Man Does Not Stand Alone as Morrison understood from his scientific observations; that God, this Supreme Intelligence, is a mathematical reality of infinite wisdom, then what do you say we begin our voyage that will literally change the entire world. We are not interested in opinions and theories regrdless of where they originate, just in the truth, so let's proceed to the next step and prove conclusively, beyond a shadow of doubt, that what we do of our own free will (of our own desire because we want to) is done absolutely and positively not of our own free will. Remember, by proving that determinism, as the opposite of free will, is true, we also establish undeniable proof that free will is false. So without further adieu, let us begin.

[C1ay]

If you would like to learn that Man Does Not Stand Alone as Morrison understood from his scientific observations; that God, this Supreme Intelligence, is a mathematical reality of infinite wisdom, then what do you say we begin our voyage that will literally change the entire world. We are not interested in opinions and theories regrdless of where they originate, just in the truth, so let's proceed to the next step and prove conclusively, beyond a shadow of doubt, that what we do of our own free will (of our own desire because we want to) is done absolutely and positively not of our own free will. Remember, by proving that determinism, as the opposite of free will, is true, we also establish undeniable proof that free will is false. So without further adieu, let us begin.

If that's where you want to start then I'm going to start by asking for proof of God. IMO, God is an invention of mankind to explain the things he doesn't understand.

[peacegirl]

By discovering the invariable laws of the solar system we were able to predict an eclipse and land men on the moon. By discovering the invariable laws that inhere in the mankind system we are able, for the very first time, to predict and accomplish what was never before possible - our deliverance from evil.

 

All I meant by the word God is the laws that control our nature. I do not want to get off track and argue about the existence of God. Through our deliverance from evil, God is revealed. He becomes an epiphenomenon of this tremendous fire that will be built to burn away the evil, and the light that is shed reveals His presence as the cause of the evil that He is now removing through these discoveries which He also caused; and no person alive will be able to dispute these undeniable facts.

[infamous]

By discovering the invariable laws of the solar system we were able to predict an eclipse and land men on the moon. By discovering the invariable laws that inhere in the mankind system we are able, for the very first time, to predict and accomplish what was never before possible - our deliverance from evil.

 

All I meant by the word God is the laws that control our nature. I do not want to get off track and argue about the existence of God. Through our deliverance from evil, God is revealed. He becomes an epiphenomenon of this tremendous fire that will be built to burn away the evil, and the light that is shed reveals His presence as the cause of the evil that He is now removing through these discoveries which He also caused; and no person alive will be able to dispute these undeniable facts.

 

I think this topic should be moved to the strange claims forum.

[peacegirl]

I am sorry that you are implying that this discovery is strange. It amuses me that I have barely gotten into an explanation and I am already receiving negative feedback. That says more about you than what is being conveyed. Whoever wants me to continue, let me know. I really would like to be able to continue without people jumping the gun before I have stated anything about the discovery. If, after I finish, you think it's all hogwosh, it will be time enough to tar and feather me. In the meantime, please give me the courtesy of letting me continue without interruptions unless they relate to the immediate discussion.

[Smokinjoe9]

Ok, and what is the name of the author, you said 1959, but do you have a full name for the actual author? I understand you have a book out, or coming out. I just wondered who the original author was?

[C1ay]

I am sorry that you are implying that this discovery is strange. It amuses me that I have barely gotten into an explanation and I am already receiving negative feedback. That says more about you than what is being conveyed. Whoever wants me to continue, let me know. I really would like to be able to continue without people jumping the gun before I have stated anything about the discovery. If, after I finish, you think it's all hogwosh, it will be time enough to tar and feather me. In the meantime, please give me the courtesy of letting me continue without interruptions unless they relate to the immediate discussion.

What you need to do then is state your claim instead of dragging your feet. I have already been toying with the idea of moving this as infamous suggested. So far I've seen nothing and it's substantiated by nothing. Without a theory or hypothesis to debate it is an odd claim.