New discovery

[Smokinjoe9]

Don't do anything with this thread, please, like close it..I must get through the whole thing and at least get one response in before it goes away....I don't have time to go through it all right now, but I will later tonight...Maybe we could turn this into a movie or something, oh well....Hey I know, if I could, I will compile this thread and turn it into a book, ahhh, just kidding....

[Fishteacher73]

SCF-Strange Claims Forum

 

Not to be confused with KFC or USAF or RMCP, etc, etc.

[Buffy]

Seriously, 205 posts in 3 days has got to be some sort of Hypography record...the postwhores put us to shame though!

 

Cheers,

Buffy

[bumab]

Gloy again. I am honestly sipping a bourbon right now. I think it was this thread.

 

The gloy of not working on a Wednesday afternoon... lucky you. Or are you :eek:

 

Almost home for me, got a new brew to try tonight. Seems even more appropriate now! :wave:

[Smokinjoe9]

Seriously, 205 posts in 3 days has got to be some sort of Hypography record...the postwhores put us to shame though!

 

Cheers,

Buffy

Shhhhh, my posts are building fast...don't tell anyone :eek:

[Fishteacher73]

I am "working".......hehehehehehehe :eek:

[Biochemist]

Don't do anything with this thread, please, like close it..I must get through the whole thing and at least get one response in before it goes away....

Hey, if you get through the whole thing, let me know how close you think I came to a summary in post 198.

 

This one was certainly a challenge.

[bumab]

Frickin' central time. It's still last period here. Givin' a test, though, which is unusually quiet today.

[bumab]

Summary:

 

"Free will does not exist, because the will is not free."

 

Concise and circular. What this thread is not and what this thread is...

[Smokinjoe9]

Hey, if you get through the whole thing, let me know how close you think I came to a summary in post 198.

 

This one was certainly a challenge.

Yeah, I was reading your post, will do..I mean freewill do :eek:

[Biochemist]

"Free will does not exist, because the will is not free."...

...But does this thesis preclude inexpensive will?

[C1ay]

Well, maybe. PG has now evolved into a pretty standard argument (although the quantity of words is absolutely unbelievable.) Speaking in English:

 

1) The world is deterministic (although PG sees "satisfaction" as a core causal agent)

2) Hence, we are not responsible for our actions

3) Hence, we cannot be blamed for our actions

4) Hence, if we recognized that others had no intent to hurt us, we would be empowered not to respond as if they were intending to do so

5) We would then be "determined" through our new understanding to be "satisfied" with the non-response to hurt

6) If only the world understood this truth, all hurt stops.

7) I think we even stop getting wrinkles in our cotton shirts here as well.

 

I am pretty sure I saw this in a fortune cookie once.

Hey, you left out the key property. Unlike traditional causal determinism, this determinism is based on God. How about that, supernatural determinism :eek:

[peacegirl]

Well, maybe. PG has now evolved into a pretty standard argument (although the quantity of words is absolutely unbelievable.) Speaking in English:

 

1) The world is deterministic (although PG sees "satisfaction" as a core causal agent)

2) Hence, we are not responsible for our actions

3) Hence, we cannot be blamed for our actions

4) Hence, if we recognized that others had no intent to hurt us, we would be empowered not to respond as if they were intending to do so

5) We would then be "determined" through our new understanding to be "satisfied" with the non-response to hurt

6) If only the world understood this truth, all hurt stops.

7) I think we even stop getting wrinkles in our cotton shirts here as well.

 

I am pretty sure I saw this in a fortune cookie once.

 

1) correct

2) incorrect

3) incorrect

4) incorrect

5) incorrect

6) incorrect

7) funnyyyyy :eek:

 

Do you see what you are doing? You are jumping the gun; I have not finished and you are making all kinds of assumptions. Boo on you! :circle:

[peacegirl]

Hey, you left out the key property. Unlike traditional causal determinism, this determinism is based on God. How about that, supernatural determinism :circle:

 

Why can't you understand that the word God is in keeping with natural law, not supernatural? Why are you trying to take this out of context when I stated many times that God only means the laws of our nature?

[Smokinjoe9]

Hey, you left out the key property. Unlike traditional causal determinism, this determinism is based on God. How about that, supernatural determinism :eek:

No no , Natural Determinism... :circle:

[Biochemist]

1) correct

2) incorrect

3) incorrect

4) incorrect

5) incorrect

6) incorrect

7) funnyyyyy :eek:

 

Do you see what you are doing? You are jumping the gun; I have not finished and you are making all kinds of assumptions. Boo on you! :circle:

Yes, but this is the stuff (at least the first 5) that you already talked about. Can you correct my points 2-5 with SHORT phrases?

[peacegirl]

So boiled down it is a deterministic universe so we should all just get over it and do our thing?

The bastard son of determinism and pacifism?

 

Two ideologies I agree with, but mired in such mystical mumbo jumbo it sounds like the welcome pamphlet for the mmonies or chishnas....

 

Mumbo jumbo? Until you truly understand this discovery, you will think that it is mumbo jumbo. But it isn't and I will only go so far in defending it. I can only offer the information, it is up to you to process it carefully in order to see its validity. Remember one thing, even if you don't agree with the principles, it does not make it invalid. When the principles are understood you will think differently.