Proof Of God

[angela860]

For those who seek the meaning of life

 

This message is in two sections:

 

1. Right reasoning in seeking truth

2. Proof of God through:

 

Science

Archeology

Predictions

 

Unlocking the Mysteries to life

 

In order to unlock the mysteries to life, a person needs to be teachable / correctable. Without constructive criticism or being teachable and open to receive knowledge, a person can never understand truth as they ought. For light brings truth, and if a person refuses to be taught light, neither can they receive the truth.

 

A person needs to see and understand for themselves the error they are in, this then makes them more receptive to everything.

 

These errors are subject to the following things:

 

A person has to understand that they haven’t been exposed to the fullness of knowledge that exists in all creation. They have to realize that the knowledge that they have, (often given through the world system, mainstream media etc., which is subject to limitations / control) is only a tiny fraction compared to the fullness of knowledge that exists.

 

Simply said, a person must acknowledge that their knowledge is not everything that is out there, and that their decisions and choices are therefore subject to this limited knowledge.

 

Knowledge unlocks the mysteries to life, however to attain knowledge, one must first understand the following points:

 

• The unexplained isn’t unexplainable

• False interpretations don’t mean false revelation

• Understanding context

• Understanding language

• Understanding people’s motives

• Interpreting difficult information in the light of clear information

• Don’t build a whole doctrine on obscure information

• Understanding the nature of “seeming contradictions”

• Truth is found in what is revealed and not in everything recorded

• Understanding the law of progressive revelation

 

• The unexplained isn’t unexplainable – It is a mistake to assume that what has not yet been explained never will be or can be explained. It is a grave mistake to give up further exploration on anything you seek answers to. The unexplained should actually be your motivation to find an explanation.

 

For example, many unexplainable natural phenomena that scholars or scientists once had no answer for, have now been answered through the unyielding patience of various disciplines.

 

This knowledge should then cause a person to realize that what they may consider false or wrong now, may actually be proved true at some future point.

 

Often times when a person assumes what they themselves can’t explain is therefore unexplainable, can be rooted in pride or in an unwillingness to receive an explanation, especially if the explanation threatens their mindset.

 

• False interpretations don’t mean false revelation – People can often interpret something wrong because of the following reasons:

 

• Self-interests involved

• Wrong or selfish ambition

• Lack of understanding

• Insufficient knowledge at a given time

• Blindness

• Pride etc…

 

Therefore, people’s mistakes in interpreting any given information wrongly (subject to the above), does not nullify initial truth.

 

• Understanding context – Any person seeking truth seeks to understand truth in its proper context. Context refers to the parts directly before and after a word or sentence that influence its meaning. Right understanding is right context. Having the right context is subject to:

 

• Not presuming that your mindset or thought processes are like the person’s conveying the information. This means not applying the mindset you are subject to now as to the way things have always been or should always be.

 

• Asking yourself - Do I truly have an understanding of the history, way of life or how things were done in a given time period that the information is subject to, before I draw conclusions?

 

• Understanding the language style of the information – languages changed substantially through the centuries – modern English can never truly be compared to the English of the 1600s or to the language of writers such as Mark Twain etc….

 

• Information must not always be interpreted literally but in the light of the result that was intended – the intent of the instruction – so that the message is correctly understood.

Failure to note the meaning in light of its context is the main error of those who find fault with truth.

 

• Understanding language – It is important to understand the language of the message being conveyed. Understanding language is subject to:

 

• A non-literary style

• Understanding various expressions of speech (e.g. exaggeration, non-technical language, idioms etc…) and literary devices.

• This means that various expressions of speech shouldn’t always be taken literally, then pitted against other information. The context dictates whether a term should be taken literally or figuratively.

• For e.g. If a person says “I have a billion things to do today” we understand what is meant and don’t take it literally. This means that people should then apply this same reasoning when seeking truth.

• Rounding off numbers

• Using Common sense of other surrounding factors to work out the message

• General statements don’t mean Universal promises. Do not seize upon information that offers general truths and then point with glee to obvious exceptions. One must learn to differentiate between general guidance and universal assurance. There are rules for life, but rules that admit of exceptions. One must also understand the law of unmentioned concessions.

• Different people with different personalities emphasize different points

 

• Understanding people’s motives – People do many different things for many different reasons - it is important to understand the reason or the why people do things.

 

• It needs to be understood if the reason why a person is doing something is reasonable.

• Is the person blinded or deluded.

 

• Interpreting difficult information in the light of clear information - Some information is hard to understand often due to its obscurity.

 

One piece of information may appear to contradict another. When one has understood the meaning of clear information, then one can understand obscure information in the light of clear information, and that whatever the obscure means, it cannot mean something that flatly contradicts the clear information.

 

• Don’t build a whole thesis from obscure information – People often times become scholastic over one word in a given text for different reasons, and then build a whole doctrine over it. They go through life trying to come to some agreement or compromise over its origin or precise meaning, yet fail to see the essence of what is being taught. Don’t build a whole doctrine or belief based on any obscure information. When any information isn’t clear, never conclude that it means something that opposes any other plain and straight forward information given elsewhere in many places.

 

• Understanding the nature of “seeming contradictions” - various laws concerning “seeming contradictions” that one needs to understand include:

 

• Every individual person perceives different things at different times, for different reasons.

This means that any given information may contain variations, but the essence of the account isn’t contradictory but one and the same.

 

For e.g. Two people see two cats running up a tree and are asked to write an account of what they saw. The first person writes that there were two cats in the tree because that is what they saw from where they were standing and at the time they were standing there.

 

The second person states that there were three cats in the tree because from where they were standing they saw the two cats in the tree plus an additional cat that was already sitting in the tree, which the first person couldn’t see from where they were standing. This is not a contradiction to the essence of the information, but a slight variation in their accounts of the story.

 

This law should be expected from unique individuals giving an account of any event, each through their own perspective. Realistically, no witnesses of any event or series of events would write in exactly the same way, just as no three artists who were each asked to paint the same scene would provide the exact same details in their paintings. The general scene would be the same, but the details would differ.

 

This then also means that:

 

• The exclusion of information from a party doesn’t make it contradictory.

• That incomplete information doesn’t make it false information. Given the example of the two cats above, the person who only saw two cats (incomplete information) doesn’t nullify the one who saw three cats (complete information). The two accounts are actually complimentary, supplying more information when both are taken together.

 

Therefore slight differences in an account oftentimes confirm its realistic truthfulness rather than refute it.

 

• Truth is found in what is revealed and not in everything recorded – It is a mistake to assume that everything contained in a given piece of information is commended by the one giving it. Unless one understands this distinction, one may then incorrectly conclude that error is being taught or affirmed, when in reality it isn’t.

 

• Understanding the law of progressive revelation – It is important to understand that in life information isn’t revealed all at once, nor are the same conditions laid down for every period of time. Different information is given at different times to fit the particular circumstance. This is not contradictory to what was given before.

 

For e.g. the fact that someone may drink a hot drink on a cold day, does not mean that they cannot drink a cold drink on a hot day, or that they always drink only hot drinks, for different times and situations call for different things.

 

The problem is that people do understand these things as they know how to apply them to areas where their self-interests are involved, but use them as defense mechanisms when being confronted by truth, thus revealing the hypocritical nature in people. This shows people are flawed and corrupted to start off with.

 

Therefore one needs to filter out all these things when seeking truth before one can unlock the mysteries to life.

 

 

Section 2 – Proof of God

 

 

Mathematical proof of God

 

This is one of the simplest and most powerful proofs of God there is – no one with any ability to reason could say there isn’t a God after reading this !

 

A simple equation:

 

2% + 2% = 4%

 

2% of Carbon + 2% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

 

1% of Carbon + 1% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide

 

0% of Carbon + 0% Oxygen = Nothing

 

So what does this mean ?

 

This means, that according to simple maths, 1 + 1 = 2, ergo 1% + 1% = 2%

 

Forgetting ‘evolution’ arguments for now, How did the Universe begin ?

 

How could matter have been created ?

 

If 1% of matter (or even anti-matter, or dark matter or any substance or sound wave or light wave or anything) + 1% of something else could possibly in a 10 to the power of infinity chance create a ‘Big Bang’, which then in turn would create in astronomically impossible odds the world, the galaxies and the solar systems, then it must be understood that:

 

0% of matter (sound waves, light waves or anything) + 0% of anything = Nothing

 

ABSOLUTE 0% of ANYTHING

 

There is no point of origin for the creation of Anything – it is scientifically impossible to create anything (to cause the Big Bang) from Nothing !

 

It is mathematically impossible to create 1+% from 0% + 0%

 

ACCORDING TO EVERY SCIENTIFIC LAW KNOWN TO EVERY BEING WITH THE ABILITY TO THINK - THERE COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A SUBSTANCE OF ANY KIND TO CREATE THE BIG BANG.

 

IF THERE WAS A SUBSTANCE TO CREATE THE BIG BANG – HOW WAS IT CREATED – ACCORDING TO MATHMATICS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE 0% + 0% = 0% !

 

This leaves only one alternative:

 

A Creator ! Something, Someone outside of the laws of Science – that Created Scientific laws – A God – The most powerful Scientific Mind in the Universe !

 

This is absolute proof that there is a Creator

 

When people stand before the Judgment seat of God, all the Creator has to say to them is:

“Did you understand mathematics – even the simplest form of mathematics? Then you are without excuse ! ”

 

Because with this knowledge (the knowledge of what is created) it should prompt the person to genuinely seek if there is a God.

 

 

Predictions

 

 

Chernobyl – Wormwood

 

“The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.” - Revelation 8:10,11

 

This prophecy was given in about 95 AD to John the Revelator on the island of Patmos.

 

The Bible Prophecy speaks of a star called Wormwood which caused great damage, and poisoned the waters, ‘Chernobyl’ is the Ukrainian name for ‘Wormwood’.

 

On the 26th April of 1986 there was a nuclear explosion in Chernobyl, Ukraine (Russia) that occurred at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. An explosion and fire released large quantities of radioactive contamination into the atmosphere, which spread over much of Western USSR and Europe. It is widely considered to have been the worst nuclear power plant accident in history, and is one of only two classified as a level 7 event on the International Nuclear Event Scale. This caused damage that is still causing problems for the citizens of the country, and many other nations were affected from the fallout.

 

 

Chernobyl Nuclear facility explodes April 26, 1986

 

Halley’s Comet

 

 

Halley’s comet passed by earth April 10th 1986, appearing as a bright star, “blazing like a torch”, a few days later, April 26th, Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant exploded.

 

The prophecy of the third trumpet emphasizes that the star called Wormwood made the waters bitter. As the nuclear cloud produced by Chernobyl drifted over the Soviet Union and over Europe, an extraordinary amount of rain fell. The rain brought the radiation from the nuclear cloud onto the soil, the animals, the crops, the trees, and into the rivers. The greater the rainfall, the greater was the amount of radioactivity. These heavy rains greatly increased the magnitude of the disaster. Much (almost all) of Europe was affected.

 

Halley’s comet is the only short period comet (visible every 75-76 years), and is the only comet that might appear twice in a human lifetime, being able to be seen without a telescope from earth.

 

 

Predictions of Earthquakes in the last days

 

There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. (Matthew 24:7-8)

 

In the same hour there was an earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell.

In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven. (Revelation 11:13)

 

The Bible prophesied that the last days would see an increase in the number and severity of earthquakes. In our century we have experienced an unparalleled increase in the frequency and intensity of “killer” earthquakes that register 6.5 or higher on the Richter scale.

 

Killer earthquakes occurred only once every decade during the 1800’s, according to current statistics; the number of these major earthquakes has increased.

 

It has to be noted that it is not only the increase and the magnitude of the earthquakes, but also the repercussions of them, for example Japans earthquake 2011 caused a nuclear explosion that caused serious damage to the country, not only through the fallout but also because when they tried to put out the fire – it caused even more radiation!

 

Recent earthquakes:

 

Haiti Earthquake January 2010

 

A magnitude 7 earthquake struck Haiti on January 12 2010 – it reduced much of the capital, Port-au-Prince, to rubble. Haiti’s government reports a total of 316,000 were killed by the quake.

 

Chile Earthquake 2010:

 

An 8.8 magnitude earthquake struck Chile on February 27 2010 causing great damage, The earthquake destroyed large parts of Chile's third-largest city Concepción and its surrounding area. The damage was so great that scientist report it actually changed the earth’s axis.

 

Japanese Earthquake 2011:

 

On March 11, 2:46pm (Tokyo), a Magnitude 9 earthquake struck Japan, causing a massive tsunami that swept over north Japan causing damage to its main nuclear facility, creating a nuclear explosion.

 

This had been the fourth or fifth strongest earthquake to be recorded by instrumental seismology, and caused immensely more damage than many other earthquakes.

 

As can be seen here, the quakes are not only increasing, but are causing more and more damage to nations.

 

 

666 Prediction about Cashless Society

 

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark of the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. - Revelation 13:16-18

 

This prophecy was given about 95 AD.

 

666’ is hidden in every Barcode:

 

 

666 in barcodes: The three longer ‘Guidebars’ in every barcode at the beginning, middle and end, include the same code as the number 6 (101) and correspond to the number 6 in width and thickness. Hence “6 6 6” is hidden in every barcode!

 

 

“No one can buy or sell without the mark 666” (Rev 13:16-18)

 

This prophecy has already been partially fulfilled, as for about 50 years no one in Europe or America can buy anything without a barcode which contains the number 666 in all commercial barcodes. This is only a prelude to the fulfillment of the 666 mark, which shall probably be some sort of chip implanted in the hand or forehead. People are using 666 for just about everything, and many don’t even know it.

 

Many people are also being chipped with the Verichip (which is not the actual chip) from ADS (Applied Digital Solutions), which is much like the chip / mark prophesied in Revelation, and works in the same way as the final 666 chip should work – no one shall be able to hold a job without the 666 mark – so everyone is ‘forced to receive the mark’ to buy / sell / pay off their loans etc.

 

 

Phases to get to the chip:

 

Phase 1: Price Stickers

Phase 2: The Barcode

Phase 3: Replace Cash with Cards

Phase 4: RFID tags

Phase 5: The Implantable RFID Chip etc

 

Images:

 

• The Jacobs were the first family to be chipped

• The Verichip by Applied Digital Solutions.

• ‘Chipmobile’ – Verichip is on a mission to chip America !

• 2012 Advert from Vodafone Greece, the Logo shows three chips reading 6-6-6. According to this prophecy, one day the final chip shall be an everyday thing, where you can’t buy nothing without it - adverts for the chip shall become an everyday normal thing, advertising convenience for the chipee – much like credit cards were advertised as a good thing.

 

Who has been chipped and why ?

 

People throughout different countries and for different reasons have already been chipped. The Bible says that “It forced all people to receive Mark”. The strategy for getting whole nations to receive the 666 Chip is: “malicious intentions presented through non-malicious means”

 

This is often through applying fine sounding reasoning or arguments to justify their plans. Key reasons used to cause people to get the chip are: Security, Efficiency, Identification, Access.

 

Someone described it in the following way:

 

“It's a simple concept, really: You inject a miniature radio frequency identifier the size of a grain of rice between your thumb and forefinger and with a wave of your hand, you unlock doors, turn on lights, start your car or pay for things.”

 

People have already been chipped with ‘prototype’ chips !

 

Who has been chipped:

 

• An entire family

• Many millionaires

• Security agencies

• People who work in high security buildings

• Army officials, Military etc

• Plans are underway to Microchip every Newborn in the U.S. and Europe

• Medical patients (e.g. senior citizens) for immediate access to their medical records

• Pets and large herds of cattle and sheep for efficient tracking

• High Government officials - Mexico's attorney general and at least 160 people in his office have been implanted with microchips that get them access to secure areas of their headquarters.

• Plans to chip every Western Citizen (America / Canada / Australia / Europe Etc) are currently in progress - with plans for the rest of the world after this.

 

 

Prediction of a One World Government

 

“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.” - Revelation 17:12-14

 

 

The United Nations was formed in 1945, with the goal to create a One World Government.

Since Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948, Europe has now come together as a united federation for economic, trade and security reasons.

In 1948 NATO was formed to defend Europe against the threat of the massed armies of Communist Russia. In 1957 many European nations banded together in a confederation of economic and trade relationships. In 1992 European nations gathered to discuss future moves toward full integration of member economies, utilizing one economic system, a common monetary system as well as a common defense capability and foreign policy – since then, we now have the new European currency – the Euro, which is the prelude to a new world trade system.

 

 

Today 27 member states belong to the European Union, creating one of the largest economic, political and military powers in the western world. With the creation of the United Nations as well as the New European Union, we now have at least two Establishments that are ready to create a One World Government.

Edited September 1, 2012 by angel860

[blamski]

 

This leaves only one alternative:

 

A Creator ! Something, Someone outside of the laws of Science – that Created Scientific laws – A God – The most powerful Scientific Mind in the Universe !

 

 

there is another alternative, of course...

 

the one that says we don't fully understand absolutely everything about physics as yet.

[pamela]

long time since i argued religion, especially christianity, so hows 'bout a little devils advocate for some good times.

 

okay pal, lets take a look at your whole chip theory-doesn't make sense really. So if this antichrist was out to get people under his sway, then why would he make the chip so obvious? i mean seriously, about a bazillion religious types out there got this OMG chip thing in their head. So yeah, they would avoid it like the plague. I thought this cat was some great deceiver? Seems like if he was going for the elect of the almighty he might go for something a little more subtle. Something so inconsequential that it might be overlooked. How's about something cool like an injection. Picture this- biological terrorist attack with anthrax. the government or your UN if you prefer states you better get this special vaccination or you're toast. So yeah, the multitudes line up get the injection and bam they are saved. But unbeknownst to them, its a mix with recombinate DNA of of the big nasty dude and now they all got him inside them so to speak,living in their blood. scary times. Can't chop the head or hand off to get rid of that sign can you now.

 

ok all silliness aside- what makes you angel- and i seriously have an issue with that name- make you think that you have some sort of right to interpret some old religious text and flaunt your viewpoint on a science forum? You cannot give proof of god- there simply isn't any. Your text requires faith not evidence- so hang it up pal- we don't go for proselytizing around here.

[phillip1882]

Forgetting ‘evolution’ arguments for now, How did the Universe begin ?

 

How could matter have been created ?

 

how could God come into being?

 

either he always existed, or somehow summoned himself into existence.

 

well if that's how God came into being, why not skip a step, and say that's how the universe came into being?

i fail to see how adding a level of complexity beyond anything any human being can imagine explains the existence of the universe. saying God did it is a non-answer.

[C1ay]

For those who seek the meaning of life

 

This message is in two sections.....blah blah blah...hugh section of wasted bandwidth....

Scientific evidence is evidence that does not concede the dependence of the evidence on principles of inference...

Your rambling is not evidence or proof of anything. It is simply a statement of your beliefs. Eliminate all of your 'ifs' and assumptions and try again.

[angela860]

Proof of God through NDE's

 

Donald Whitaker:

 

 

It was February of 1975, at that time I was an alcoholic out of control. I was also using recreational drugs. But primarily, alcohol was my drug of choice. I was totally out of control. I had a lot of friends in the entertainment business; Ringo Star and a bunch of other people.

 

They were having a TV special on the west coast. Hoight, a friend, had called me and asked me if I would like to go. I told him that I would love to, because I knew there was going to be a lot of booze, and partying. While they were doing their special, I was doing my thing.

 

After about three or four days out there, I became ill. I had severe pain in my abdomen. I flew into Oklahoma city, called a senator friend of mine, and asked him to send a car for me because I was sick. They sent a car and took me home.

 

 

And I checked into Whatley hospital in Texarkana, Texas in February of 1975. I checked in with electrolytes, which means that the chemicals in my body were so far out of balance that they had to give me IVs to build me up. At that time of my life, I was atheist. I was hard core atheist and was living for myself. Atheists are self-centered, they live for themselves. This is where I found myself in 1975 in my hospital.

 

After 3 days they operated me. Later, I found myself in the intensive care on a respirator, which means it was breathing for me. I couldn’t speak. I’ve been there in a comma. I heard these people talking about how sick I was and how I was going to die and how I wouldn’t get out of the hospital. At that time my hair was very long because I just wore my hair long.

 

And I heard one guy say, “My, his hair is long.” And another guy said, “Not nearly as long as it is going be before he gets out of here.” And the third voice said, “He's not going to get out of here. He's going to die.”

 

And after 3 days, I could breathe on my own. I remember my doctor, my surgeon, Dr. Donald Dunkon said to me, “Don, if you have anything to get right, if you have anything to get signed, you get it done because we are not sure how long you have.”

 

I knew I had a condition which is that was called Acute hemorrhagic narcotic pancreatitis. You don’t live with this disease. You could live with pancreatitis. You could even live with Acute pancreatitis, but you do not live with Acute hemorrhagic narcotic pancreatitis. Dunkon had told my two sons that I would be dead before morning. They didn’t expect me to survive.

 

I was laying there, a professed atheist. I didn’t believe in God. I believed in the power of the universe because I’ve seen it. As a physician, I’ve dealt with life and death. I believed in something, but don’t talk me about God. And surely don’t talk to me about resurrection, virgin birth or these type of things because I am in research and science.

 

The Majority of PHDs in research and science don’t believe in God. They do not believe a supreme being. They are beginning to believe there is an order in the universe because the further along we go, we see the order.

 

It is very easy to be an atheist when you are successful. You have worked your way from Oklahoma welfare to be one of the most powerful men in your part of the country – one of the most powerful men in the state of Oklahoma, politically. It is very easy to be an atheist when you have done all of that. A man could sit back and say "I don’t need God. What is God?"

 

But it is very difficult to be an atheist when you are lying on the death bed, because you began thinking "what if these people are right?" There had been one man named Ron Short, that stood between me and the gates of hell. One man had witnessed to me about the love of Jesus for 5 years, before I became ill.

 

I would debate him and I liked him, because he did what he said he was going to do. He was the only one that I saw that profess to be Christian and lived what he said he was going to do. I really respected him. I didn’t believe what he said but I respected him.

 

When I was lying on my death bed and knowing that I was going to die, guess who I thought about? I thought, "what if Ron is right? What if there is a Heaven and a Hell." Almost immediately the most pressing thought in my mind is how do I get saved. What is saved? How do I get saved?

 

So I sent people out to get Ron Short. I wanted him to come down because I wanted him to do whatever he had to do. I had no idea how a man hanging on a tree in Israel 2000 years ago could save me. What is that to me? But I knew he had something that I had to have. That night Ron wasn’t home, he was in Alabama. So I had people go and get Ron.

 

That night was the longest night that I’ve had in my entire life, before or since. As I am laying there in bed, I had begun to fade away into darkness. It was so, so dark. It was like the darkness just penetrated into your very being. I can tell you that I left my body because I remember coming back into my body. I don’t know where I was out of my body.

 

There are people that talk about a light, or floating above, a feeling of warmth or love. I didn’t feel any of that. I felt none of that. I felt untold terror, untold terror. I knew that if I went all the way, if I slipped all the way, I would never get back. In my being of beings I knew that. So I fought all night long.

 

They told me later on that I not only pull the mattress cover off the mattress, I put the mattress upon me. I had to stay, I had to wait till Ron got there. Whatever he had to do, I had to wait.

 

But again when I would leave my body, I would be going down into deep dark terror. My skin began to get cold. Not the kind of cold you feel when you walk out in the air, no, this was bone chilling cold. And I could feel the coldness began to come up my legs.

 

Again I would begin to leave my body and would be in the darkness, in that void. I remember one time entering back my body, I felt my body thud, my physical body thud. Believe me, believe me, that was the most horrifying terrifying experience that I had ever encountered.

 

I fought all night long. The next morning around 9:30 or 10 o’clock, Ron came in. He said, “Dr. Whitaker, what do they say are your chances?” I said, “Ron, they tell me I have none.” He said, “Now is the time.” I said, “You're right.”

 

Before, I had cursed him, I had spit on him, but now it was the time because I had to have whatever he had. I had a short period of time left on earth and I didn’t have any idea when I might make that trip and go all the way.

 

At that time Ron simply led me in a sinner’s pray. I had no idea what a sinner’s prayer was, but I trusted Ron. He led me through the sinner’s prayer and told me that Jesus had died for my sins. He had died for the sins of the world. I didn’t quite understand that. He showed me in the word of God where that was written.

 

You have to understand that I am a man of books. I’ve spent big part of my life, 25 or 26 years of life in books, all types of scientific books. I have degrees in Chemistry, all the way up to medicine doctor to practical medicine.

 

He told me and I believed him because it said so in this book. It was a new book to me, it was called Bible. I had Ron lead me, and I said the sinner’s prayer. I can tell you one thing, there was a peace that came over me like I have never known.

 

I’ve searched for that peace in the bottles, alcohol, needles, drugs, and women. I’ve searched for it in all type of places. But there was no peace in my life. But once I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior, I was no longer afraid. I still believed I was going to die because I knew the condition I had, and you don’t survive it. I knew that, I am a physician. I knew what I had you did not survive.

 

Ron showed me in the word of God where it says, “These signs shall follow those that believe. They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.” (Mark 16:18)

 

 

I walk around on planet earth this day, taking no insulin, taking no enzymes, eating whatsoever I want, and everyday God produces in my body the correct material for me to function without having to take medication.

 

When you see blind eyes open, you see the cripples walk, you see the leprosy cleansed, and you see them with your own eyes, then it doesn’t take a rocket science to figure out that Bible is true.

 

[Eclogite]

Near death experiences are readily explained by the behaviour of the brain under traumatic conditions. Nothing in the tale above offers any evidence for a God, let alon proof of a God.

 

One must feel positive about any human being who finds a way to come to terms with their demons and thus finds a way to lead a better life. To read too much into this through indulgent self-deceit may be as great an evil as the one from which one has escaped.

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Atheists are self-centered, they live for themselves

This is a seriously offensive and ignorant statement. Many atheists are very caring people, devoted to family, friends and community. Their recognition that there is nothing beyond this life often encourages greater reverence for all forms of life and concern for others.

 

Their morality and attempts to adhere to it is a consequence of a sense of appropriate behaviour, not a fear of eternal damnation. Atheists care for others baecause that is a good thing to do, not because they are required to. Which do you think is better?

[CraigD]

Proof of God through NDE's

 

Donald Whitaker:

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Angel860, are you representing yourself as being this person, Dr. Donald Whitaker?

[forests]

Their recognition that there is nothing beyond this life often encourages greater reverence for all forms of life and concern for others.

 

Some atheists believe in the afterlife. There was also a book written on the topic titled The Atheist Afterlife: The odds of an afterlife - Reasonable. The odds of meeting God there - Nil by David Staume.

 

Also angel860 seems to conclude NDE's are evidence for God, however most parapsychologists would disagree with this view becuase NDE's are claimed to be evidence for an afterlife not evidence for God.

 

The problem I have with some of the NDE research is that it seems to be a bit anthropocentric. For example nobody is doing any research on fish or cats having NDE's are they? If there is an afterlife then I like to believe all animals go there as well, and I really hope they do. The Christians who claim only humans get an afterlife is very ignorant in my opinion!

Edited September 19, 2012 by forests

[Eclogite]

Angel860, I am not clear whether your first post was written by you or merely copied from elsewhere. (Perhaps you would clarify this; we don't want copyright infringement on the forum.) Either way I take it that you both believe and honour what you have written. If so you have some hard work ahead of you.

 

At an early stage you say this:

In order to unlock the mysteries to life, a person needs to be teachable / correctable. Without constructive criticism or being teachable and open to receive knowledge, a person can never understand truth as they ought.

Are you ready to receive knowledge? Are you prepared to dispose of the extensive and damaging ignorance you have posted in the OP? Do you have the integrity and courage to follow your own advice?

 

There are too many inconsistencies, ambiguities, contradictions, untruths and errors to deal with all of them. Here are a handful of items that I think are worth commenting on.

 

1. You say the following

2% of Carbon + 2% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (CO2)

Highly Ambiguous. You do not make it clear whether you are talking about percentage by mass, or percentage by number of atoms. Your equation only works if you take one atom of carbon and one molecule of oxygen.

 

2.

There is no point of origin for the creation of Anything – it is scientifically impossible to create anything (to cause the Big Bang) from Nothing !

This fails in three ways: Strawman ; False; Faulty Logic

 

Firstly, the Big Bang theory does not postulate that the universe emerged from nothing. Strictly speaking BBT does not even deal with the origin of the universe, but rather with its initial development shortly after its origin. It is entirely consistent with BBT that the universe emerged from the collapse of a former universe, or from some other expression of matter/energy. So you are arguing against a view that is not actually held by science.

 

Secondly, it is possible for something to emerge from nothing. You may wish to acquaint yourself with the notion of virtual particles. Some theorists propose that the universe is nothing more than a large scale, long running quantum fluctuation. Therefore, your assertion that science knows it is impossible to create something from nothing is shown to be false.

 

Thirdly, if something cannot be created from nothing then how did God arise. If you assert that God is eternal, then by the same argument the matter/energy from which the current expression of the universe emerged could also be eternal. Thus, your logic is faulty.

 

3.

As the nuclear cloud produced by Chernobyl drifted over the Soviet Union and over Europe, an extraordinary amount of rain fell.

False

Rainfall throughout Europe at this time was within the normal range for that time of year for most, if not all of Europe. If you have information to the contrary please present here. Otherwise withdraw your false and thus misleading statement.

 

4.

It has to be noted that it is not only the increase and the magnitude of the earthquakes, but also the repercussions of them, for example Japans earthquake 2011 caused a nuclear explosion that caused serious damage to the country,

False.

There was no nuclear explosion. There was an explosion at a nuclear power plant. That is a totally different matter.

 

5.

As can be seen here, the quakes are not only increasing, but are causing more and more damage to nations.

Please provide peer reviewed citations demonstrating that such an increase has occurred. We can now detect and record more earthquakes because we have vastly more seismographs around the world. Further, there are ten times as many people, living in multi-story structures, so that more people are likely to be impacted by earthquakes, even if there were fewer.

 

6.

The United Nations was formed in 1945, with the goal to create a One World Government.

FalseThis was not the goal of the organisation, nor has it become the goal of the organisation. The function of the organisation was to limit the possibility of armed conflict between nations and to promote international cooperation.

 

7.

Europe has now come together as a united federation for economic, trade and security reasons.

False.The European Union is not a federation. It may become one, but there are no agreed plans to make it such and arguably most member states are opposed to federation. Not for the first time you use words that have precise meanings in a very imprecise manner. That is hardly an effective technique when you are seeking to prove something. (Certainly it is a technique that can work admirably on the gullible and the intellectually challenged, however using it on such disadvantaged souls is a form of abuse. You might wish to consider the questionable ethics of the methods your are employing.)

 

8.

This prophecy has already been partially fulfilled, as for about 50 years no one in Europe or America can buy anything without a barcode which contains the number 666 in all commercial barcodes.

False. I live in Europe and routinely visit America. I buy many things with which no bar code is involved: drinks in a bar, taxi rides, items at jumble sales, some second hand books, any black economy purchase, etc.

 

Your entire argument is riddled with falsehoods, misinterpretations, faulty logic, misuse of terminology and sloppy thinking on a monumental scale. As I noted at the start, I hope you will take your own advice, recognise your ignorance and attempt to learn. Regrettably I think you will prefer to remain with your self-indulgent, close minded, arrogant nonsense and continue with your ineffectual preaching. Please surprise me.

[angela860]

George Rodonaia Near Death Experience

 

This brings us to the case of Dr. George Rodonaia, a Russian Scientist who tried to leave Russia. He came with a Ph.D and an M.D, but had trouble with the KGB.

 

He couldn’t get out of Russia. In fact when he tried to get out of Russia, he was purposely run down by a KGB agent, who drove on the sidewalk in order to run him over. This is how he died and where his story begins.

 

 

George Rodonaia:

 

“As a psychiatrist and a neuropathologist, for me God never existed. I never believed in God. I never believed in the Bible. I never thought about God, the Bible or divinity. In 1976, I was 20 years old, I was already a doctor working in Georgia, Russia.

 

 

I met a lady from Texas. I tried to leave the country many times. But I didn’t have much help. This lady tried to help me and I got in big trouble with the KGB. I worked on “idenotintriphosper”, it is a neuron transmitter in our brain. With the conjunction of "Oxitocin", I discovered several things.

 

I was an important scientist and KGB didn’t want me to go so they decided to kill me. That is how I got into another dimension of my life.

 

I was standing on the sidewalk, ready to depart to NY, waiting for cab, when a car on the sidewalk hit me. I flew in the air 10 meters, and then the car ran over me. My friends and relative took me to the hospital. The hospital staff, friends of mine and 2 other professors declared me dead. On Friday night, they put me in the morgue, in the freezer.

 

 

Three days later, they took me out. So on Monday morning they began my autopsy. These 3 days of being out of my body, seeing everything that was happening around, seeing myself, my body, seeing my birth, my parents, my wife, my child, and my friends. I saw their thoughts. I saw what they were thinking, how their thoughts move from one dimension to another.

 

It was incredible experience. I was in darkness, total darkness. The darkness was pressing. This darkness existed not beyond, but it existed within. What I want say is that the darkness was pressing. And I was in the middle of this fear and I did not understand why and how this darkness existed. Where was I?

 

I understood that I didn’t have a body because I didn’t feel it. Then I saw a light and I went into that light. But the light was so powerful, so burning. You cannot compare it to anything. No words can explain it. The light was so burning, going through flesh. I didn’t have a body. That was the most interesting part.

 

And I was scared of the light, I wanted to go into the shade to save myself from this light. What is that light? I don’t know. It can be called the light of God, it can be called the light of Life. But light is light and darkness is darkness. As a psychiatrist and scientist, I did not think about that. The only thing was that I was in light.

 

We were not raised in God’s way. You know about the Soviet Union, we didn’t go to church. There were people who went, but we thought they were some kind of limited people. We thought they didn’t know any better that there was no God. But those 3 days of being in the morgue, the freezer, changed all my life.

 

 

They begin the autopsy, and started to cut open my chest. That was the first incision, then I opened my eyes, and they saw that my pupils were convulsing, getting smaller. When they saw that my eyes were reacting to light they knew I was alive. They put me back to the hospital and began resuscitation.

 

My lungs were collapsed for a long time so I was put on a respirator for 90 days. My recovery did not happen fast, but the life did come back. They discovered was that the life was there during the autopsy, but not all my organs were working. It was hard work for nine month being in recovery, it didn’t happen immediately, but the life was there. But the doctors had to help me survive and help me to regenerate my health and organs.

 

When I came back to life, a lot of different experiences had happened. I experienced a lot of rejection, a lot of fighting with others. But nothing could change my mind, I knew my destination, I knew my way. I decided to leave the country, and this lady from Longview Texas helped me move to the United States. We went to Texas and continue to live there today.

 

Sometimes things are beyond our grasps. But I don’t try to explain it all because I know and I believe that God knows better. I believe that I don’t need to explain everything. But why it was shown to me and why was I chosen? It was a question that I honestly didn’t care about. I care that I deeply believe in a God of love and God is love. And I believe God created everything for betterness and for an incredible future if we don’t ruin it.”

[blamski]

i'm not entirely sure what this post is supposed to prove...

[Eclogite]

Angel860, I do hope you have come here to discuss and not to preach. Please respond to points raised by myself and others in response to your earlier posts. thank you.