Dr. Einstein Errors

[Rade]

Useful summary of 'supposed' errors made by Dr. Einstein:

 

http://www.kritik-relativitaetstheorie.de/Anhaenge/Kapitel2-englisch.pdf

 

If anyone wants to discuss specific errors, be sure to cite error #.

 

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Reply of Dr. Einstein:

 

"Why 100? If I were wrong, one would have been enough." - Albert Einstein, when told of publication of the book One Hundred Authors Against Einstein.

Edited April 19, 2013 by Rade

[Pmb]

Useful summary of 'supposed' errors made by Dr. Einstein:

 

http://www.kritik-relativitaetstheorie.de/Anhaenge/Kapitel2-englisch.pdf

 

If anyone wants to discuss specific errors, be sure to cite error #.

 

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Reply of Dr. Einstein:

 

"Why 100? If I were wrong, one would have been enough." - Albert Einstein, when told of publication of the book One Hundred Authors Against Einstein.

That's hardly a list of errors. It's morely a list of baseless accusations. You made no attempt to back up your assertion that those are actually what Einstein said since I see no place where it gives the source of the comments. Nope. It's merely a list of accusations.

 

For example: you write

Error A 1

The Michelson-Morley Experiment (MME)

1881/87 is said to have proven the nonexistence

of the ether

Where do you claim that I Einstein made this statemet?

[Eclogite]

Where do you claim that I Einstein made this statemet?

Are you asserting that Einstein remained open to the possibility of the existence of the ether? If not then it is irrelevant whether or not he commented on it. If you think he did remain open to that possibility could you cite some evidence for that view. thanks.

[Rade]

Here is the publication of Einstein concerning 'aether', from 1924:

 

http://www.oe.eclipse.co.uk/nom/aether.htm

 

So, what error did Einstein make, if any ?

[Pmb]

Are you asserting that Einstein remained open to the possibility of the existence of the ether?

If I was interested in discussing that point I'd look for a thread on the topic or start my own. I was asking about Rade's claim that Einstein made an error. I want to know where he wrote what Rade claimed he did.

 

If not then it is irrelevant whether or not he commented on it.

That's quite wrong. It's one thing to have a belief in something. It's an entirely different thing to make an unequiable statement about it in a scientific venue.

 

If you think he did remain open to that possibility could you cite some evidence for that view. thanks.

This reminds me of the ole "bait and switch" routine that salesman used to use to get customers into their store to buy things.

 

The very meaning and purpose of the luminiferous ether was to be what was doing the "waving" for the light/EM waves. I.e. that medium that supported light/EM waves. If such a medium exists and has the properties predicted using Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism then the Michelson-Morely experiment would have detected it. No such medium was found and the reasons for postulating it no longer exist. It is in this sense and this sense only that Einstein dismissed the ether theory in that formulation of it. I have a vauge recollection of him thinking of the ether as specetime but I'm not certain of it.

[Rade]

I was asking about Rade's claim that Einstein made an error. I want to know where he wrote what Rade claimed he did.

Hello PMB. Please understand that I make no claim about Einstein, my OP was a link to a document compiled by others. Also, perhaps you missed it, but above I provide a link to a published document by Einstein concerning his idea of the aether, published in 1924. Here Einstein makes it clear that his concept of aether relates to the 'physical qualities of space'.

 

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Also, the document cited in the OP has text for each of the mentioned errors. Concerning Error A 1 on ether, here is the text argument to support the claim:

 

 

A: Ether / Einstein Error No. 1 (A-1)

 

The Michelson-Morley Experiment (MME) 1881/87 is said to have proven the non-existence of the ether. This claim is given by all authors as one of the foundations of the STR. It is incorrect, since the MME was intended to provide proof of the drift against a stationary ether. Anyone accepting the supposed null result of the MME can only conclude that the ether is not stationary. For this reason, some authors have supposed the "taking along" of the ether as a means of explaining the alleged null result.

 

The proof of the non-existence of the ether by the MME was not at all possible in the first place. As regards the conducting of the original MMEs of 1881 and 1887, the essential circumstances are still not reported in the trade journals and propaganda writings of relativists up to the present day. Even many critics believe the propaganda of the relativists. In 1977, for example, Theimer (p. 16) recognized as uncontested: "The experiment was repeated at various times of the year, also during phases of opposite motion of the earth vis-à-vis the sun, but the result remained zero." None of this is true.

 

For the first time in 1993 (!) Collins/Pinch (Golem, cited from the 2nd ed. 1998), pp 29-43, presented a critical analysis of the course of the 1887 experiment. The experiment ought to have been carried out under 6 conditions (p. 35). A whole 6 series of measurements were undertaken, and these at 12 o'clock on the 8th, 9th and 11th of July and at 6 p.m. on the 8th, 9th and 12th of July. Due to the disappointing readings, however, the experimenters discontinued the experiment. Not carried out were: (1) repetitions at various times of the year; (2) repetition in a transparent building; 3) repetition high above sea level. Precisely these measurements at various times of the year, neglected in 1887, were later undertaken by D. C. Miller, who furthermore satisfied the requirements of the transparent building and high altitude on the Mt. Wilson Observatory, obtaining clearly positive values for running time differences and the expected, notable seasonal fluctuations. Where a periodic fluctuation can be clearly recognized, the readings are relevant and as regards their magnitudes, these were considerable. In other words, the complete implementation of the MME of 1887 is just a famous fairy tale of the science of physics, and the subsequent successful implementation and exposure of the fairy tale by D. C. Miller is no wonder at all.

 

On the basis of 1887, Albert Einstein supposedly revolutionized, in 1905, our conceptions of space and time. The imperfection even of the instrument of 1887, the discontinuation of the experiment by the experimenters and the failure to take note of both of these circumstances are serious errors of physical research and a main reason for the around 1905 still tragic loss of course by H. A. Lorentz and Albert Einstein, which was later deliberately expanded to a system. Claims of non-existence is epistemologically the most problematic undertakings. Basically speaking, they cannot be proven at all by a single experimental result. They can, however, be fundamentally refuted by a single experiment, something that has happened repeatedly during the subsequent period.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Rade

[Pmb]

Hello PMB. Please understand that I make no claim about Einstein, my OP was a link to a document compiled by others.

My apologies. Thanks for the correction.

 

Also, perhaps you missed it, but above I provide a link to a published document by Einstein concerning his idea of the aether, published in 1924. Here Einstein makes it clear that his concept of aether relates to the 'physical qualities of space'.

I see it now but, of course, when I created my first post I it wasn’t there.

 

Also, the document cited in the OP has text for each of the mentioned errors. Concerning Error A 1 on ether, here is the text argument to support the claim:

 

 

A: Ether / Einstein Error No. 1 (A-1)

 

The Michelson-Morley Experiment (MME) 1881/87 is said to have proven the non-existence of the ether....

Who are these people who are responsible for the "...is said to have proven..." remark and where can I see if for myself?

 

I don’t understand the origin of what you just quoted. Where did it come from? What book, journal or newspaper, etc can it be found in? I can’t imagine Einstein ever making a claim that the null result of the NNX proves that there is no ether. It would be an illogical assumption and I’ve never seen Einstein make such a blatant error in logic.

 

Unless I can find it myself then I’ll have no reason to believe its true.