RainMan Posted April 11, 2014 Report Posted April 11, 2014 This is something I have never understood. Sounds travels faster through water than air. Water is denser than air. How does sound travel faster through a path of more resistance? Quote
Buffy Posted April 12, 2014 Report Posted April 12, 2014 It's not a matter of resistance, but more efficient propagation: each air molecule has to travel farther to bump it's neighbor molecules to propagate the wave. More travel -> more time = slower.... Washington is the only place where sound travels faster than light, :phones:Buffy Quote
CraigD Posted October 11, 2014 Report Posted October 11, 2014 …thus yielding this general pattern: vsolids > vliquids > vgasesThis is a good general rule – we can even apply rough numbers to it, like vsolids =~ 4 vliquids =~ 4 vgases It has some interesting exceptions, though... The speed of sound in solids such as soft rubber is not about 16 times that of in air’s 343 m/s, but half it, about 150 m/s. In hard wood, it can be as high as 3960 m/s, but in a spongy wood like cork, it’s about 518 m/s, faster than in air, but slower than in water, 1433 m/s. Another interesting feature of sound in solids is that it consists not just of the longitudinal wave we find in gasses and liquids, but of slower, fainter S (secondary, or “shear”) wave. This EngineeringToolbox page has the speed of sound (longitudinal, and select shear) for some common solids. I got the above numbers from there. Buffy and JMJones0424 2 Quote
HydrogenBond Posted October 12, 2014 Report Posted October 12, 2014 Water is the most anomalous substance found in nature, with liquid water having a few speed of sound anomalies due to hydrogen bonding changing the inertial and elastic properties of the medium under various sets of conditions. The speed of sound in the oceans has a minimum at about 1000 m where the increase in speed due to increasing pressure balances the decreasing speed with drop in temperature. Sound waves are trapped and propagate horizontally in this SOFAR channel. This SOFAR channel is good place to hide, under an invisible water ceiling. This anomaly has to due with hydrogen bonding in water, which defines its acoustic properties, being impacted in opposite ways by increasing pressure and decreasing temperature. Quote
CraigD Posted October 17, 2014 Report Posted October 17, 2014 Water is the most anomalous substance found in nature, with liquid water having a few speed of sound anomalies due to hydrogen bonding changing the inertial and elastic properties of the medium under various sets of conditions. This SOFAR channel is good place to hide, under an invisible water ceiling. This anomaly has to due with hydrogen bonding in water, which defines its acoustic properties, being impacted in opposite ways by increasing pressure and decreasing temperature.Do you have a souce for this claim, HydrogenBond :QuestionM :Exclamati According to common sources such as its Wikipedia page, the SOFAR channel, a layer of ocean water where the speed of sound is at its minimum, is due to “the cumulative effect of temperature and water pressure (and, to a smaller extent, salinity)”. Quote
Coolio Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 It's not a matter of resistance, but more efficient propagation: each air molecule has to travel farther to bump it's neighbor molecules to propagate the wave. More travel -> more time = slower.... Washington is the only place where sound travels faster than light, :phones:BuffyWe did this in physics gcse aha. If you don't know this, you probably shouldn't be here tbh... Which is directed at the OP, Not you :) Quote
tscience Posted October 28, 2014 Report Posted October 28, 2014 Sound travels in liquid faster because its molecules are less closely packed but between gas molecules are really far aside. Quote
Foghorn Posted October 30, 2014 Report Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Regarding the speed of sound. Facts I am sure of. Sound travels faster as a whisper....(My girlfriend?) If I put a taser to your skin, you will feel it immediately If I tase your boyfriend whose hand you are holding, the reaction can, in real time, be shown to be a bit slower. This might not sound like proof to you but I have just shown that molecules in contact with molecules transmit anything. Sorry man. Edited October 30, 2014 by Foghorn Quote
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