We Never Went To The Moon!

[Ryndanangnysen]

We never went to the moon! At least not the way that is told and 'shown' to us.

 

It really is one Big Hoax.

 

Now, are there still people who believe the fairy tale that we went to the moon?

 

 

[Buffy]

Go ahead dear, provide some facts. This is a science forum you know.

 

 

He is forced to be literate about the illiterate, witty about the witless and coherent about the incoherent, :phones:

Buffy

[Ryndanangnysen]

PIG!!

 

stop calling me "DEAR" PIG!!!!

 

 

btw you have the extremely stupid habit of stalking me! What the **** is you are, PIG?

[Buffy]

PIG!!

 

stop calling me "DEAR" PIG!!!!

 

 

btw you have the extremely stupid habit of stalking me! What the **** is you are, PIG?

 

Dear, I'm an admin here. It's my job to "stalk" you and keep your foolish blather from going unanswered.

 

If you don't like to be ridiculed for posting meaningless garbage, this is definitely not a place you're going to enjoy spending any time at. We actually specialize in holding up the views you've espoused to opprobrium and disdain rather than letting people think that it might actually be true.

 

You may regret having posted here at all, dear.

 

 

I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals, :phones:

Buffy

[OldBill]

Here again he might be right on!  Since he's never clarified the "We", I'm guessing he's probably referring to himself and that turd in his pocket.  Not sending them to the moon is an oversight for sure, and might be quickly righted by all of us pitching in for a one-way ticket.

[Pmb]

There's one thing among many many other things that people who think the moon landing was a hoax will never even attempt to respond to and that's the fact that we can bounce a laser beam off the moon and have it return in precisely the same direction as it came and using this laser bouncing off the corner reflecting mirrors on the moon we can actually measure the distance to he moon's surface to millimeter accuracy. It's impossible to have done that without having those mirrors on the moon. That's one bit of data that confirms it.

 

Another is the fact that Russia would have loved to prove that it was a hoax. So they tracked the astronauts to and from the moon using radar and was able to determine exactly where they were doing the entire mission. If it was a hoax then there wouldn't have been a spacecraft along that trajectory nor would there have been radio signals coming from there which they were listening to and triangulating their position.

 

We also have moon rocks. The rocks we have could not have come from any place on earth and I they couldn't have been manufactured.

 

The entire world watched the Saturn V launch off the pad and the following week the capsule came down. Where do they think that capsule was during the intervening time?

 

I suppose that each one has different goofy explanations but taken together it can only mean that they went to the moon. Highly ethical men such as all the astronauts would never have kept such a lie for all these years. Those men were military men and their bred to be honest. Nobody could force them to lie like that. And nobody could get all the people attached to the Apollo program to lie and keep that lie all this time. Claims that they did is just crazy talk,

[Ryndanangnysen]

There's one thing among many many other things that people who think the moon landing was a hoax will never even attempt to respond to and that's the fact that we can bounce a laser beam off the moon and have it return in precisely the same direction as it came and using this laser bouncing off the corner reflecting mirrors on the moon we can actually measure the distance to he moon's surface to millimeter accuracy. It's impossible to have done that without having those mirrors on the moon. That's one bit of data that confirms it.

 

 

So what? That doesn't prove that there were people on the moon! So, this is not a valid argument.

 

Another is the fact that Russia would have loved to prove that it was a hoax. So they tracked the astronauts to and from the moon using radar and was able to determine exactly where they were doing the entire mission. If it was a hoax then there wouldn't have been a spacecraft along that trajectory nor would there have been radio signals coming from there which they were listening to and triangulating their position.

 

 

 

Ever considered the fact that what the Russian where doing was also  a hoax?

 

 

 

We also have moon rocks. The rocks we have could not have come from any place on earth and I they couldn't have been manufactured.

 

 

 

Are you sure?? It turned out some where just fake!

 

 

The entire world watched the Saturn V launch off the pad and the following week the capsule came down. Where do they think that capsule was during the intervening time?

 

 

In orbit around the earth, mate!

 

 

Next time, make it more difficult, mate!

[RbM]

[Pmb]

So what? That doesn't prove that there were people on the moon! So, this is not a valid argument.

Actually you're quite wrong. It does prove that people were on the moon. That's what makes it a valid argument. While lasers can be bounced off the moon without those mirrors the mirrors allow us to get much greater precision measurements with the mirror.

 

Ryndanangnysen's fault here is that all he did is make claims. That's not science. To be science one has to back it up with evidence.

[RbM]

Actually you're quite wrong. It does prove that people were on the moon. That's what makes it a valid argument. While lasers can be bounced off the moon without those mirrors the mirrors allow us to get much greater precision measurements with the mirror.

 

Ryndanangnysen's fault here is that all he did is make claims. That's not science. To be science one has to back it up with evidence.

 

 

Sir,

 

If you believe that we went to the moon - You will believe anything...!

 

http://wellaware1.com/artwork/large/rocketboy.jpg

 

RbM

[Buffy]

Sir,

 

If you believe that we went to the moon - You will believe anything...!

 

We did go to the moon. I know people who were directly involved in the program. They are/were incredible people. You spit in their faces by calling it a hoax and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing so.

 

Now I don't care if you want to believe crazy things, it's a free country. But this is a science discussion site, and you have to follow the scientific method in presenting your arguments using proof and YOUR OWN reasoned arguments supporting those things. Putting a video up and saying "See?" does not constitute a reasoned argument, it only proves that you're gullible enough to have watched this piece of "entertainment" and were taken in hook, line and sinker by it.

 

You'll find we're quite open to discussing your theories if you can actually present them because we have folks here that enjoy ripping apart silly conspiracy theories, but that only works if you're willing to actually put forward theories and present actual facts that back up your arguments. Since you've already posted a lot of stuff that is already of the form "I know it because it's just true," you can consider this your last opportunity to demonstrate your ability to participate cooperatively in scientific discussions.

 

Please proceed.

 

 

Note to readers: For those of you who don't want to waste your time watching the video--I watched it for you--and it's primary argument comes down to the Tower of Babel fell and the Titanic sank, so therefore we could never have gone to the moon, followed by the usual set of "the flag can't wave because there's no air on the moon!" "proof-points" that have been endlessly debunked. Has kind of a nice sequence of 10 minutes of footage of rockets blowing up in the early days of space flight (i.e. the usual log-rolling trying to prove that since a whole lot of rockets blew up, none could ever succeed in going to the moon).

 

 

The biggest conspiracy of all is that Columbus landed in the new world in the late 15th century. There is no new world. It simply doesn’t exist, :phones:

Buffy

[RbM]

We did go to the moon. I know people who were directly involved in the program. They are/were incredible people. You spit in their faces by calling it a hoax and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing so.

 

Now I don't care if you want to believe crazy things, it's a free country. But this is a science discussion site, and you have to follow the scientific method in presenting your arguments using proof and YOUR OWN reasoned arguments supporting those things. Putting a video up and saying "See?" does not constitute a reasoned argument, it only proves that you're gullible enough to have watched this piece of "entertainment" and were taken in hook, line and sinker by it.

 

You'll find we're quite open to discussing your theories if you can actually present them because we have folks here that enjoy ripping apart silly conspiracy theories, but that only works if you're willing to actually put forward theories and present actual facts that back up your arguments. Since you've already posted a lot of stuff that is already of the form "I know it because it's just true," you can consider this your last opportunity to demonstrate your ability to participate cooperatively in scientific discussions.

 

Please proceed.

 

 

Note to readers: For those of you who don't want to waste your time watching the video--I watched it for you--and it's primary argument comes down to the Tower of Babel fell and the Titanic sank, so therefore we could never have gone to the moon, followed by the usual set of "the flag can't wave because there's no air on the moon!" "proof-points" that have been endlessly debunked. Has kind of a nice sequence of 10 minutes of footage of rockets blowing up in the early days of space flight (i.e. the usual log-rolling trying to prove that since a whole lot of rockets blew up, none could ever succeed in going to the moon).

 

 

The biggest conspiracy of all is that Columbus landed in the new world in the late 15th century. There is no new world. It simply doesn’t exist, :phones:

Buffy

 

 

Think for yourself Buff...

 

 

You have been lied to by those closest to you.  I'm so sorry.

 

You really have been lied to your whole life about everything...

 

 

That's why Eve was deceived and not Adam.  

 

A man cannot be deceived...!

 

 

 BIBLICAL PATRIARCH NOAH IS CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS. 

 

http://chronologia.org/en/how_it_was/05_15.html#the18

 

 

RbM

Edited September 5, 2015 by RbM

[Pmb]

When someone makes an assertion so challenging to widely accepted beliefs as done here claiming that we never went to the moon it requires a great deal of evidence to back it up. Nobody in their right mind and who knows how to reason properly would never accept such an assertion as "We never went to the Moon." But nowhere in this thread have I seen any such evidence supporting such a claim. In fact all we've been given so far as the claim "We never went to the moon!" and simply making a claim in no way justify believing it. In fact when I gave evidence what we did in deed go to the moon all we got back from Ryndanangnysen was just another illogical assertion

So what? That doesn't prove that there were people on the moon! So, this is not a valid argument.

Clearly Ryndanangnysen neither understands physics and/or knows how to reason properly he'd know the fact which is well known by all scientists that science is not about "proving" anything.

 

In fact science has been defined in the article What is science? Am. J. Phys. 67(8), August 1999 as the systematic enterprise of gathering knowledge about the world and organizing and condensing that knowledge into testable laws and theories. The success and credibility of science is anchored in the willingness of scientists to  adhere to two steadfast rules:

1) expose their ideas and results to independent testing and replication by other scientists; this requires the complete and open exchange of data, procedures and materials;
2) abandon or modify accepted conclusions when confronted with more complete or reliable experimental evidence.

Adherence to these principles provides a mechanism for self-correction that is the foundation of the credibility of science.

 

This definition was originally drafted by the Panel on Public Affairs ~POPA! of the American Physical Society, in an attempt to meet the perceived need for a very short statement that would differentiate science from pseudoscience. This statement has been endorsed as a proposal to other scientific societies by the Council of the American Physical Society, and was endorsed by the Executive Board of the American Association of Physics Teachers at its meeting in Atlanta, 20 March 1999.

 

Ryndanangnysen's responses have been clearly in contradiction to this definition.

 

Then there was the other extremely poorly thought out rhetorical question Ever considered the fact that what the Russian where doing was also  a hoax?  The purpose of the space race to the get to the moon first. As such America and Russia would never help each other. In fact they'd be doing everything they could to demonstrate that America was faking it or that it was a hoax. However the Russians were clearly not as illogical as Ryndanangnysen is.

[Pmb]

Think for yourself Buff...

 

 

You have been lied to by those closest to you.  I'm so sorry.

 

You really have been lied to your whole life about everything...

If that's true then provide evidence that she and I were the one's who were lied to and not you. I haven't seen any attempt by you to do that as of yet.

[RbM]

If that's true then provide evidence that she and I were the one's who were lied to and not you. I haven't seen any attempt by you to do that as of yet.

 

I have been lied to about everything as well, friend.  Nothing special about me.  I just started to question everything...  That's all..

 

When a man chooses to believe a lie, he does it of his own free will.  He becomes corrupted by the lie.

 

The serpent beguiled Eve into believing something that was blatantly false.  

 

Adam sinned on purpose - he know what he was doing...

 

RbM

Edited September 5, 2015 by RbM

[RbM]

When someone makes an assertion so challenging to widely accepted beliefs as done here claiming that we never went to the moon it requires a great deal of evidence to back it up. Nobody in their right mind and who knows how to reason properly would never accept such an assertion as "We never went to the Moon." But nowhere in this thread have I seen any such evidence supporting such a claim. In fact all we've been given so far as the claim "We never went to the moon!" and simply making a claim in no way justify believing it. In fact when I gave evidence what we did in deed go to the moon all we got back from Ryndanangnysen was just another illogical assertion

Clearly Ryndanangnysen neither understands physics and/or knows how to reason properly he'd know the fact which is well known by all scientists that science is not about "proving" anything.

 

In fact science has been defined in the article What is science? Am. J. Phys. 67( 8), August 1999 as the systematic enterprise of gathering knowledge about the world and organizing and condensing that knowledge into testable laws and theories. The success and credibility of science is anchored in the willingness of scientists to  adhere to two steadfast rules:

1) expose their ideas and results to independent testing and replication by other scientists; this requires the complete and open exchange of data, procedures and materials;

2) abandon or modify accepted conclusions when confronted with more complete or reliable experimental evidence.

Adherence to these principles provides a mechanism for self-correction that is the foundation of the credibility of science.

 

This definition was originally drafted by the Panel on Public Affairs ~POPA! of the American Physical Society, in an attempt to meet the perceived need for a very short statement that would differentiate science from pseudoscience. This statement has been endorsed as a proposal to other scientific societies by the Council of the American Physical Society, and was endorsed by the Executive Board of the American Association of Physics Teachers at its meeting in Atlanta, 20 March 1999.

 

Ryndanangnysen's responses have been clearly in contradiction to this definition.

 

Then there was the other extremely poorly thought out rhetorical question Ever considered the fact that what the Russian where doing was also  a hoax?  The purpose of the space race to the get to the moon first. As such America and Russia would never help each other. In fact they'd be doing everything they could to demonstrate that America was faking it or that it was a hoax. However the Russians were clearly not as illogical as Ryndanangnysen is.

 

Man, you are so thoroughly brainwashed by all of this that there is no way to get through to you.  Science is your god, really - You worship it...

 

 

RbM 

Edited September 5, 2015 by RbM

[Pmb]

Man, you are so thoroughly brainwashed by all of this that there is no way to get through to you.  Science is your god, really - You worship it...

Just because I explained in detail why your reasoning process is far from being reasonable is no basis whatsoever to assert that I'm brainwashed. In fact I've posted nothing here that could be taken as evidence of being brainwashed. I fact your response here indicates that you don't know what it means to be brainwashed.

 

By definition, brainwashing is to affect a person's mind by using extreme mental pressure or any other mind-affecting process. There has never been anything close to this in my life. You certainly can't make that claim based only on the fact that I used sound reasoning to show you the nature of your errors. You're simply confusing higher education with brainwashing.Another term for it is Mind Control. Readthe webpage that I cited and provide a solid argument that I've been brainwashed. Otherwise please don't make rude accusations which you can't back up.

Edited September 5, 2015 by Pmb