Theory of Beginning of Life and "God"

[Queztacotl]

I think that the Big Bang is the start of all life. The Big Bang happened and then all the rocks and other things came flowing out. These rocks and stuff contained the elements and they were put on our planet. As one piece of bacteria grows it then forms into other things like plants and then animals were formed from this.

 

If what I'm saying is true { Parts of what I said might not be accurate }, then how could a God form everything, Stephen Hawking said that nothing can ever exist with nothing therefore nothing became something like it had to. It grew over the billions of years and eventually came to us.

 

So in short:

 

" If the Big Bang caused everything how could a person{God} do it when it was inevitable as to what Hawking said " :xx:

[Tormod]

I think that the Big Bang is the start of all life. The Big Bang happened and then all the rocks and other things came flowing out.

 

Out of what?

[Queztacotl]

They explosion caused all the things to come out

[Tormod]

They explosion caused all the things to come out

 

...of what?

*echo echo*

[adnaan]

There are many theories of the Big Bang.. Some are like Universes give births to each other.. therefore the big bang happened in another older Universe creating this Universe.. some say that the Big Bang happened in nothingness... which then people say that "God" created the Big Bang.. and then they would say, that "God" had set designs and laws.. in which created the earth, then created organisms (life)..

Generally the Big Bang theory is the most accepted theory out there. Hawking said that there is no nothingness.. he didnt believe in that.. but not everyone agrees with that.

[Queztacotl]

Why should mindless people believe what they think when there is professional experts like Hawking who know the knowledge to say what high possibility there was of the Big Bang. People believe what they want to believe not whats actually true, therefore I side with the Big Bang theory and Hawkings ideas!

[IrishEyes]

Why should mindless people believe what they think when there is professional experts like Hawking who know the knowledge to say what high possibility there was of the Big Bang. People believe what they want to believe not whats actually true, therefore I side with the Big Bang theory and Hawkings ideas!

Good for you! Side with the person or idea that makes the most sense to you.

I'm still trying to figure out where "God" fits into this though. I mean, you do mention God in your title, and you posted in the Theology forum. If you're saying that there is no God, why post here?

[Tormod]

Why should mindless people believe what they think when there is professional experts like Hawking who know the knowledge to say what high possibility there was of the Big Bang.

 

Hawking knows nothing about what was before the Big Bang, and if you read the Big Bang theories I think you will find that Hawking did not says that anything but energy came "out of" the Big Bang. The Big Bang was not an explosion, it was the birth of our universe (as we know it) and the only thing that we *know* came out of it was energy. That energy condensed to form matter.

 

Therefore your opening post about "rocks and stuff" shows that you cannot have read Hawking very thorougly - and if you have, I don't think you understood it.

 

And frankly, I didn't understand it either so at least we have something in common.

[alexander]

I think that the Big Bang is the start of all life. The Big Bang happened and then all the rocks and other things came flowing out. These rocks and stuff contained the elements and they were put on our planet. As one piece of bacteria grows it then forms into other things like plants and then animals were formed from this.

 

If what I'm saying is true { Parts of what I said might not be accurate }, then how could a God form everything, Stephen Hawking said that nothing can ever exist with nothing therefore nothing became something like it had to. It grew over the billions of years and eventually came to us.

 

Obviously posted by a person who does not know a whole lot about theory behind BigBang, life's forces, atomic theory, and from what it seems he's never read or pondered the bible.

 

let me try to put god in the picture for you, first of all god is really formless, he's never described to be a human or of human nature, human, you must be thinking of what is described in the bible and other religious texts, except for Buddism and a few other minor religions, as a savior. But here is where god may come into Big Bang, more or less realistically, first point is what was there before big bang?, exactly, maybe there was no matter and god created the big bang to start everything up, how is this possibility? how about an approach of more what i've been thinking about recently, what if god is a force that controls energy? therefore everything that happens is influenced by him, and big bang theory is alredy not a cover up for the absence of god, and your theory is void...

[Queztacotl]

Obviously posted by a person who does not know a whole lot about theory behind BigBang, life's forces, atomic theory, and from what it seems he's never read or pondered the bible.

 

let me try to put god in the picture for you, first of all god is really formless, he's never described to be a human or of human nature, human, you must be thinking of what is described in the bible and other religious texts, except for Buddism and a few other minor religions, as a savior. But here is where god may come into Big Bang, more or less realistically, first point is what was there before big bang?, exactly, maybe there was no matter and god created the big bang to start everything up, how is this possibility? how about an approach of more what i've been thinking about recently, what if god is a force that controls energy? therefore everything that happens is influenced by him, and big bang theory is alredy not a cover up for the absence of god, and your theory is void...

 

This is a better explanation than I have never come up with. It makes perfect sense but maybe I was a little too hasty in making my judgement. But for all those experts out there, please tell me how all the rocks and planets originated from start to now?

[Tormod]

This is a better explanation than I have never come up with. It makes perfect sense but maybe I was a little too hasty in making my judgement. But for all those experts out there, please tell me how all the rocks and planets originated from start to now?

 

The History of the Universe

http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/

 

One of my favorite sites.

[alexander]

Yup, that site explains it pretty well, nice T :)

[Southtown]

I can understand matter and energy. But "the beginning of life" is in the title, and I've been wondering for a long, long time what the scientific definition of life is. I understand that it grows, consumes, and reproduces, but what is it? Which was the first random protein to wake up and help his neighbor protein start a family, hence willful cooperation. It just seems odd, to call myself a "chemical process" when I can use reason and make decisions.

 

What is the mechanism for life, or molecular cooperation, and what is consciousness scientifically? Call me an idiot.

[Mickey]

I believe life started as somewhat of a random biological process. And then came the humans... of course as mindful, questioning beings, the first of our kind. In essence, we created God in our image only after all creation had occured. No other organism (so far as we know :)) has even dreamt of a God, because they don't have the ability to question.

 

So the question is:

Did God create us to believe in Him?

 

Did we create God to believe in something?

 

And why, for heaven's sake, would God create people who have the ability to NOT believe in Him?

[Erasmus00]

It just seems odd, to call myself a "chemical process" when I can use reason and make decisions.

 

What is the mechanism for life, or molecular cooperation, and what is consciousness scientifically? Call me an idiot.

 

Your statement "it just seems odd, to call myself a chemical process when I can use reason and make decisions" I would ask can bacteria make decisions or reason? Is it life? Can a cat reason? Is it life? etc. The view that only things that reason are life is much more limited.

 

As of yet, there is no theory of consciousness, though with new technologies (like MRIs) scientists can study which part of the brain process which information. While memory seems to be "stored" in synapse connections, there is no theory of exactly how the brain works yet.

-Will

[Southtown]

Your statement "it just seems odd, to call myself a chemical process when I can use reason and make decisions" I would ask can bacteria make decisions or reason? Is it life? Can a cat reason? Is it life? etc. The view that only things that reason are life is much more limited...

-Will

That is a very good point. I didn't think of that. But the next question would be "how does science define the ability to reason?" ...if we were to attempt to answer the previous ones.

[Erasmus00]

That is a very good point. I didn't think of that. But the next question would be "how does science define the ability to reason?" ...if we were to attempt to answer the previous ones.

 

Perhaps a turing test? Google the phrase if you need information.

-Will