current Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) The only true fractals are in life forms . Edited June 4, 2017 by current Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 The only true fractals are in life forms .No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Hoping this doesn't just turn into an excellent example of a No True Scotsman fallacy. Some age, others mature, :phones:Buffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
current Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Hoping this doesn't just turn into an excellent example of a No True Scotsman fallacy. Some age, others mature, :phones:BuffyYour point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 *Buffy points at coastlines* *Buffy points at mountains* *Buffy points at crystals* The goal of all inanimate objects is to resist man and ultimately defeat him, :phones:Buffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
current Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) *Buffy points at coastlines* *Buffy points at mountains* *Buffy points at crystals* The goal of all inanimate objects is to resist man and ultimately defeat him, :phones:BuffyThese things have nothing to with fractals . The closest you come is crystals . Yet grow the crystals , they don't grow with the exact same properties . Edited June 4, 2017 by current Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) These things have nothing to with fractals .Do too. The closest you come is crystals .Nu-uh. Yet grow the crystals , they don't grow with the exact same properties .Do so. Edited June 4, 2017 by Turtle Maine farmer, exchemist and Buffy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
current Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Fractals , true fractals , have to do with replicating , form . Exactly. Crystals . Can not do this . Crystals depend on the enviroment in which they are in . Life fractals always replicate exactly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Fractals , true fractals , have to do with replicating , form . Exactly.No they don't. Crystals . Can not do this . Crystals depend on the enviroment in which they are in .No they don't. Life fractals always replicate exactly .No they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
current Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 No they don't. No they don't. No they don't.Explain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 ExplainNo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
current Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 No.Why not explain your position ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Why not explain your position ?Because. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Fractals , true fractals , have to do with replicating , form .. Kaboom! Yep. "No True Scotsman".... The problem here is that you've got your own definition of "Fractal" which no one else shares. Both animate and inanimate objects can be described using fractal formulae. This is generally accepted by everyone and yes, crystals and mountains and shorelines are all canonical examples of them. The original fractal, the Mandelbrot set, is *static*. While it's algorithm is iterative, it does not grow or change. For a given numerical range in R, and given resolution, it's values are absolutely unchanging. So, no, fractals have nothing to do with "change" or "life." Now you can make up words, but if you take words and change their meaning to the point where they are recognizable, you're no longer doing "communication." Honestly, Humpty Dumpty had a pretty lonely life. The question is, which is to be master — that's all, :phones:Buffy Maine farmer and exchemist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
current Posted June 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Kaboom! Yep. "No True Scotsman".... The problem here is that you've got your own definition of "Fractal" which no one else shares. Both animate and inanimate objects can be described using fractal formulae. This is generally accepted by everyone and yes, crystals and mountains and shorelines are all canonical examples of them. The original fractal, the Mandelbrot set, is *static*. While it's algorithm is iterative, it does not grow or change. For a given numerical range in R, and given resolution, it's values are absolutely unchanging. So, no, fractals have nothing to do with "change" or "life." Now you can make up words, but if you take words and change their meaning to the point where they are recognizable, you're no longer doing "communication." Honestly, Humpty Dumpty had a pretty lonely life. The question is, which is to be master — that's all, :phones:BuffyThen you are thinking upon fractals different from myself . Fractals in life are an object that I can move backwards to the original form that gave the fractal form in the first place . Inorganic forms cannot do this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Yah it's not really "me" and "you," it's more of "you" versus everyone else. If you use language that no one else understands, you need to be aware that they're going to get pretty frustrated with you. *Insisting* that others accept your language is a good way to generate outright hostility, and you may find yourself ostracized and ridiculed for it. And not unjustifiably so. If you want to actually promote a new concept, just stealing a word that means something else is generally considered a really bad idea. All mimsy were the borogoves, and the mome raths outgrabe, :phones:Buffy Maine farmer, Turtle and exchemist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 Fractals in life are an object that I can move backwards to the original form that gave the fractal form in the first place.Nu-uh. Inorganic forms cannot do this.Can too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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