Possible Proof Of The Great Filter

[Vmedvil]

Well, for those of you that don't know what the "Great Filter" is it suggests that the reason why there are fewer aliens out there than Drake's Equation suggests is do to self destruction of Intelligent Species via war before becoming an advanced species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

 

 

 

Today, I have a interesting video to share that may prove the "Great Filter" about a distress call that could have been a hoax about a alien civilization in another galaxy very near to here that self annihilated about 2.53 million years ago, which I would not doubt given humanity's struggle with the Atomic Bomb, during the cold war, the U.S. and Soviet Union almost committed mutual assured destruction during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

 

 

Here is the video that I call evidence of the Great Filter along with of course the Cuban Missile Crisis with the evidence of planet destroying weapons of 3 types discovered already with the strongest of each of these three being the Tsar Bomb, Molecular Machine, and Agent VX.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9A7wDKuUE

 

Due to the evidence presented I would like to change the Drake's Equation to include a f_a  variable that would include fraction of civilizations that self annihilate before in the Space Age colonization of a second planet or moon, this being equal to the average chance of nuclear war since the discovery of the atomic bomb. https://www.wagingpeace.org/probability-nuclear-war/ , which based on them being used 2 times in 72 years, that would make a average of 2.7% or (27/1000) as the fraction of self destruction with that of survival being (973/1000), assuming most species are as hostile as humans, the more hostile the intelligent species the higher this would be, of course, the Klingon's from star trek or Krogan's from Mass Effect (Having actually had a nuclear war in the game) would have a much higher chance as a result, but we are mammals, for instance, if the dinosaur's had evolved self awareness then they would have had a much higher chance being reptiles. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately for the dinosaurs 65 million years ago around 100 Teratons of kinetic energy via an asteroid hit the planet causing their extinction before self awareness.

 

Edited October 20, 2017 by Vmedvil

[TomKalbfus]

The Cosmic filter has to get every civilization before it breaks out into space! Lets us consider what would have happened if History had taken a different turn. What if King George the III enacted reports to give the American colonists greater representation in Parliament, thereby forestalling the American Revolution? What if the British Empire just kept on growing until in encompassed the World, and then they invent nuclear weapons, but their is no one left to have a nuclear war with? The British Empire then proceeds to use its world wide resources to colonize space, where is the Great Filter here?

[Vmedvil]

The Cosmic filter has to get every civilization before it breaks out into space! Lets us consider what would have happened if History had taken a different turn. What if King George the III enacted reports to give the American colonists greater representation in Parliament, thereby forestalling the American Revolution? What if the British Empire just kept on growing until in encompassed the World, and then they invent nuclear weapons, but their is no one left to have a nuclear war with? The British Empire then proceeds to use its world wide resources to colonize space, where is the Great Filter here?

 

It would depends on the number of times they used nuclear weapons, they would have had to have fought wars to maintain their empire but if they were never used there would be a filter of 0% chance of self destruction, they were too peaceful to kill themselves, we would see that in something like herbivores or Photosynthesis using creatures that evolved self awareness that don't have predatory instincts as much such as a self aware plant being much less hostile never having had to need to kill another species for food, but with humans I have no doubt there would have been many wars to keep their empire stable especially with the British, but with a herbivore it would just be much lower most likely, humans being in the middle being omnivores, that being said there are carnivorous plants such as the Venus fly trap. 

 

 

If you have ever played the game spore it may be very much like that, in the game as you progress in evolution to the space stage you get "Traits"

 

Finally, at the end you get a Archtype to which your species is like in space some "arch-types" have a higher chance of self destruction than others before the space stage being more rare as advanced civilizations.

 

 

For instance, the Grox that inhabit the middle of the galaxy being spore's version of the Borg where scientist civilization being much more rare than a lawful-forgiving species like a shaman race, the scientist being a neutral-wrathful species whom to become the borg would have Nano-apocalypsed their planet with molecular machinery not all negative solutions to the "Great Filter" are extinction.

 

 

 

While many others are paths to extinction.

 

The Opposite Nano-apocalypse as the grox did using molecular machinery, for instance, portrayed by Saint John in the Book of Revelations in the bible.

 

 

 

Nuclear War

 

Edited October 20, 2017 by Vmedvil

[TomKalbfus]

The UK could have ruled the World in the late 19th centuries and the early 20th century before the invention of atomic weapons. With electricity and telegraph wires it could have been done. The chance of nuclear war depends on their being other powers that have nuclear weapons. Harry Truman had a brief window of opportunity to establish a World Government after World War II, his country had a monopoly on nuclear weapons. Would have been easier for the British Empire though if it included what would have been the United States, a war like World War II would have been an opportunity for them to conquer Germany, they could then have assimilated Russia into the British Empire, Russia was weak after all.  So a British Empire that included all of North America, the heart of Europe and Russia would be only a few steps away from being a World government.

[Super Polymath]

Now, how does this help us solve Fermi's Paradox?

I think information panspermia is the most likely solution. Why do we assume that DnA & RnA from organic molecules isn't a one out of infinity chance. Contrary to the Drake Equation, I feel as though the odds of a life-form evolving at all, much less into a society, is so rare that if it occurs on earth, it won't occur again within the same cosmic event horizon. Information panspermia from a Type III civilization that's googols of millenniums old could have this sort of self-governing, superluminal information (more precisely, a superluminal quantum entanglement gate), which could repolarize particles in such a way that, exclusively within certain organic molecules, matter will arrange itself into DnA & RnA. A very cheap way for remotely guided evolution. That kind of extraterrestrial intervention of our evolution governs that the Drake Equation is way off in that life really isn't that likely. Much less civilizations.

 

What happened on earth that led to the civilizations & science here is this, the Dinos are bred out, not wiped out, the Orangutans outlived 20/21 of their homini-descendants. Why would hominid-esque traits keep being selected if it wasn't beneficial for survival? Finally, for 200,000 years humans still aren't making civilizations, then in the last 10,000 years they suddenly pop up - going from a nomadic behavior to a hive-like behavior. In a world not influenced by information panspermia, there should be as many species on one world that evolve with the capacity of culture & civilization as there are species of insects here on earth. Instead, here, there's only one species that evolved for culture & organized civilization, for a Type III trying to propagate indirectly via remote access to galaxies beyond where they can go, they'd only need one species capable of building a society to evolve in that entire galaxy, makes sense to me.

 

They'd probably propagate through a linear string of galaxies. Like a trillion galaxies beyond Segue 1, but because of how far away those galaxies are, we only see evidence of a

occurring as far back as 75 million years ago inside Segue 1. Beyond Segue 1, the galaxies that their

hit before that are so far away that their light paints a picture of the galaxy before the aliens got there. However, say they we are seeing the oldest evidence we can see of them in Segue 1, the first solar system there to achieve Type II status would have marked their arrival at Segue 1, which would have been millions of years before that galaxy became the Type III civ we see evidence of because it takes millions of years to replicate across even a dwarf galaxy when your nano-probes are limited by relativistic time dilation ©. So that adds millions of years to the 75 millions year old photo of Segue 1 as a Type III civ, giving the nano-probes sent from there to Tabby's Star @ about 20% of the speed of light enough time for

. Before their probes had time to even get to Segue 1, their information panspermia was fast at work building the first single-celled organisms here on earth, as the fraction of planets capable of seeding the evolution of intelligent life are negligibly infinitesimal. It's quicker, but you can't always do it because planets like this are one in a googol, so that's why there'd be nano-probes targeting a trail of galaxies behind us stemming from an origin point that probably preceeds our cosmic microwave background considering how rarely life naturally evolves into a civilization.

Segue 1 might be spheroidal because they were

into its galactic core. If you can turn an entire galaxy into a giant hot dense quasar around its central SMBH you might have a shot of moving it in the same way you'd move the stars (although moving the SMBH of a quasar of that size would require a galactic Shkadov Thruster of such size that in order to build it you'd need to

. This is how you'd influence a superverse using gravity. Edited December 27, 2017 by Super Polymath

[Vmedvil]

The UK could have ruled the World in the late 19th centuries and the early 20th century before the invention of atomic weapons. With electricity and telegraph wires it could have been done. The chance of nuclear war depends on their being other powers that have nuclear weapons. Harry Truman had a brief window of opportunity to establish a World Government after World War II, his country had a monopoly on nuclear weapons. Would have been easier for the British Empire though if it included what would have been the United States, a war like World War II would have been an opportunity for them to conquer Germany, they could then have assimilated Russia into the British Empire, Russia was weak after all.  So a British Empire that included all of North America, the heart of Europe and Russia would be only a few steps away from being a World government.

 

You are forgetting rebellion and terrorism against such a government, there would always be those citizens discontent with such a government, all it would take is one province to break away from that empire with nuclear weapons like Ukraine did to the USSR then you would have two nuclear powers and when they tried to reconquer that province in rebellion there would be a possibility of nuclear weapons used against their oppressors. Look at the state of the middle east, the British would have had to deal with terrorism and rebellion just as any planetary empire, but your right general Douglas MacArthur did present to the president at the time, the time was now for planetary conquest to after the fall of japan as Europe was in ruin and Russia along with the rest of the world were not in much better shape, but the Soviet Union soon found the technology leading to Nuclear weapons which made that impossible. The British would have had their barriers just as the U.S. did, one of the big ones being the French whom they had fought with in how many wars? In any case, I have a Quote from MacArthur that is very relevant to this discussion. 

 

 

[Vmedvil]

I think information panspermia is a more likely solution. Yours requires that DnA & RnA from organic molecules isn't a one out of infinity chance. Contrary to the Drake Equation, I feel as though the odds of a life-form evolving at all, much less into a society, is so rare that if it occurs on earth, it won't occur again within the same cosmic event horizon. Information panspermia from a Type III civilization that's googols of millenniums old could have that information floating about space to allow for the organic molecules here to form DnA & RnA. That intervention says the Drake Equation is way off in that life really isn't that likely.

 

Much less civilizations. What happened on earth that led to the civilizations & science here is this, the Dinos are bred out, not wiped out, the Orangutans outlived 20/21 of their homini-descendants. Why would hominid-esque traits keep being selected if it wasn't beneficial for survival? Finally, for 200,000 years humans still aren't making civilizations, then in the last 10,000 years they suddenly pop up - going from a nomadic behavior to a hive-like behavior. In a world not influenced by information panspermia, there should be as many species on one world that evolve with the capacity of culture & civilization as there are species of insects here on earth. Instead, here, there's only one species that evolved for culture & organized civilization, for a Type III trying to propagate indirectly via remote access to galaxies beyond where they can go, they'd only need one species capable of building a society to evolve in that entire galaxy, makes sense to me.

 

They'd probably propagate through a linear string of galaxies. Like a trillion galaxies beyond Segue 1, but because of how far away those galaxies are, we only see evidence of a

occurring as far back as 75 million years ago inside Segue 1. Beyond Segue 1, the galaxies that their

hit before that are so far away that their light paints a picture of the galaxy before the aliens got there. However, say they we are seeing the oldest evidence we can see of them in Segue 1, the first solar system there to achieve Type II status would have marked their arrival at Segue 1, which would have been millions of years before that galaxy became the Type III civ we see evidence of because it takes millions of years to replicate across even a dwarf galaxy when your nano-probes are limited by relativistic time dilation ©. So that adds millions of years to the 75 millions year old photo of Segue 1 as a Type III civ, giving the nano-probes sent from there to Tabby's Star @ about 20% of the speed of light enough time for

. Before their probes had time to even get to Segue 1, their information panspermia was fast at work building the first single-celled organisms here on earth, as the fraction of planets capable of seeding the evolution of intelligent life are negligibly infinitesimal. It's quicker, but you can't always do it because planets like this are one in a googol, so that's why there'd be nano-probes targeting a trail of galaxies behind us stemming from an origin point that probably preceeds our cosmic microwave background considering how rarely life naturally evolves into a civilization.

 

Segue 1 might be spheroidal because they were

into its galactic core. If you can turn an entire galaxy into a giant hot dense pulsar around its central SMBH you might have a shot of moving it in the same way you'd move the stars (although moving a pulsar of that size would require a galactic Shkadov Thruster of such size that in order to build it you'd need a mastery of quantum entanglement just to transport the collective material of a trillion solar systems just to build). This is how you'd influence a superverse using gravity, there may be little civs inside the microverses that compose the particle waves of our quantum world, this transplanckian network would be a, no, The God. But that's just where my ideas hit the stratosphere, I wouldn't even believe it.

 

I don't usually double post but I will after reading this, I would say that the goal of any Type II or Type III civilization would be to control the energy of the Super-massive Black-hole at a standing energy release in the YottaYottajoules per second. Even for a Type II or Type III civilization that is a huge amount of energy, if they were moving stars it would be to refine enough materials to turn the SMBH in the middle of the galaxy into a reactor via a Dyson's sphere but we have yet to see that in the universe and SMBH Dyson's sphere especially if they were in a "Active Galaxy" with a Quasar, those Relativistic jets would make the perfect "Death Star" laser able to put out energy in the levels to destroy stars not just planets via extremely rapid fatal helium flash.

 

 

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"To understand a thing is to know the manner by which it might be destroyed. A fundamental understanding of the basic building-blocks of the Universe is essential, then, to the total destruction of everything."

 

-Sid Meier, String Disruptor

Edited October 21, 2017 by Vmedvil

[Super Polymath]

I don't usually double post but I will after reading this, I would say that the goal of any Type II or Type III civilization would be to control the energy of the Super-massive Black-hole at a standing energy release in the YottaYottajoules per second. Even for a Type II or Type III civilization that is a huge amount of energy, if they were moving stars it would be to refine enough materials to turn the SMBH in the middle of the galaxy into a reactor via a Dyson's sphere but we have yet to see that in the universe and SMBH Dyson's sphere especially if they were in a "Active Galaxy" with a Quasar, those Relativistic jets would make the perfect "Death Star" laser able to put out energy in the levels to destroy stars not just planets via extremely rapid fatal helium flash.

 

 

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"To understand a thing is to know the manner by which it might be destroyed. A fundamental understanding of the basic building-blocks of the Universe is essential, then, to the total destruction of everything."

 

-Sid Meier, String Disruptor

I mean, you only need a partial Dyson swarm for kugelblitz engines, which can power a type III just as well as an SMBH. Not to mention you could use a kugelblitz powered craft to detonate a star just by flying the craft into the star & set up designer nebulae that way.

 

Actual spheres are sort of impractical & unnecessary, even for stars.

Edited October 21, 2017 by Super Polymath

[TomKalbfus]

You are forgetting rebellion and terrorism against such a government, there would always be those citizens discontent with such a government, all it would take is one province to break away from that empire with nuclear weapons like Ukraine did to the USSR then you would have two nuclear powers and when they tried to reconquer that province in rebellion there would be a possibility of nuclear weapons used against their oppressors. Look at the state of the middle east, the British would have had to deal with terrorism and rebellion just as any planetary empire, but your right general Douglas MacArthur did present to the president at the time, the time was now for planetary conquest to after the fall of japan as Europe was in ruin and Russia along with the rest of the world were not in much better shape, but the Soviet Union soon found the technology leading to Nuclear weapons which made that impossible. The British would have had their barriers just as the U.S. did, one of the big ones being the French whom they had fought with in how many wars? In any case, I have a Quote from MacArthur that is very relevant to this discussion. 

 

 

Oh course, they want to destroy mankind! Maybe they should start with themselves rather than other people first, and after they kill themselves they can go on to other people, oh I forgot, they are dead afterwards! Too bad!

[Moontanman]

Well, for those of you that don't know what the "Great Filter" is it suggests that the reason why there are fewer aliens out there than Drake's Equation suggests is do to self destruction of Intelligent Species via war before becoming an advanced species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter

 

 

 

Today, I have a interesting video to share that may prove the "Great Filter" about a distress call that could have been a hoax about a alien civilization in another galaxy very near to here that self annihilated about 2.53 million years ago, which I would not doubt given humanity's struggle with the Atomic Bomb, during the cold war, the U.S. and Soviet Union almost committed mutual assured destruction during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

 

 

Here is the video that I call evidence of the Great Filter along with of course the Cuban Missile Crisis with the evidence of planet destroying weapons of 3 types discovered already with the strongest of each of these three being the Tsar Bomb, Molecular Machine, and Agent VX.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP9A7wDKuUE

 

Due to the evidence presented I would like to change the Drake's Equation to include a f_a  variable that would include fraction of civilizations that self annihilate before in the Space Age colonization of a second planet or moon, this being equal to the average chance of nuclear war since the discovery of the atomic bomb. https://www.wagingpeace.org/probability-nuclear-war/ , which based on them being used 2 times in 72 years, that would make a average of 2.7% or (27/1000) as the fraction of self destruction with that of survival being (973/1000), assuming most species are as hostile as humans, the more hostile the intelligent species the higher this would be, of course, the Klingon's from star trek or Krogan's from Mass Effect (Having actually had a nuclear war in the game) would have a much higher chance as a result, but we are mammals, for instance, if the dinosaur's had evolved self awareness then they would have had a much higher chance being reptiles. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately for the dinosaurs 65 million years ago around 100 Teratons of kinetic energy via an asteroid hit the planet causing their extinction before self awareness.

 

 

 

The Cosmic filter has to get every civilization before it breaks out into space! Lets us consider what would have happened if History had taken a different turn. What if King George the III enacted reports to give the American colonists greater representation in Parliament, thereby forestalling the American Revolution? What if the British Empire just kept on growing until in encompassed the World, and then they invent nuclear weapons, but their is no one left to have a nuclear war with? The British Empire then proceeds to use its world wide resources to colonize space, where is the Great Filter here?

 

I see no reason what so ever that the great filter occurs after civilization has risen. Its just as probable that the oxygenation event was the great filter or snow ball Earth, or the development of complex life. 

 

The UK would be speaking german now if not for the US, it has nothing to do with power it has to do with resources. The US had far more resources than Germany or Japan not to mention a larger industrial base. What ifs are misleading, like hindsight, always easy to show where or when the time line could have been different.

 

If is a huge word, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bust their little slimy butts every time they jump.

[Vmedvil2]

Do Humans go extinct in the near future between 0 to 1500 years in the future?

Edited March 25, 2020 by VictorMedvil