Prostitution Should Be Legalized In Brothels

[Coveny]

First off I will provide the rules for brothels as:

1. They require condoms.

2. They accept any customer.

3. They must prove they are free of STDs regularly. (monthly)

4. Each person has their own prices and list of what they are willing to do.

 

 

In 2003 Rhode Island, accidentally decriminalized prostitution. The effects of this were “caused both forcible rape offenses and gonorrhea incidence to decline for the overall population. Our synthetic control model finds 824 fewer reported rape offenses (31 percent decrease) and 1,035 fewer cases of female gonorrhea (39 percent decrease) from 2004 to 2009”

http://www.nber.org/papers/w20281

 

This breaks down into two argument in favor of legalized prostitution.

 

1) Rape dropped by 824. The effects of which will affect the victim for the rest of their lives.

https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/research/mentalimpact.shtml

 

2) Gonorrhea dropped by 1,035. STDs are a critical health concern affecting this country.

https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/3805.pdf

 

3) It is hypocrisy with prostitution being illegal, while porn is legal. Whatever argument can be for or against, one can be made for the other. 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb.pornography/index.html?iref=allsearch

 

4) No one sees any problem with massages. No one sees any problem getting their hair, nails, or feet done. In all these cases, you are paying another human being to touch you. How is sex any different?

 

5) Freedom is being able to choose what you do with your body. Choosing to have sex with someone for money is no different. 

[exchemist]

They do this in the Netherlands, I think.

 

The arguments against seem mainly to do with how you ensure the women are not being exploited by criminals and coerced into prostitution. I'd have no problem with it if I could be sure that was not happening, but that is far from the case in practice.   

[Buffy]

Prostitution is legal in Nevada, and according to Wikipedia, there are currently 28 brothels. They are all apparently in rural areas, but the notion that you couldn't get "delivery" in the hotels is kind of laughable if you've ever been there!

 

Worldwide there are many countries where it is legal or partly legal. As exchemist mentioned, it's legal in Holland and walking through Amsterdam's red light district can be rather amusing. Amsterdam is also known for it's marijuana bars, which I'll admit to have frequenting from time to time. They're real libertines in the cities, but beware that there are some real backwards Christian fundamentalists out in the countryside. I mention this because that's basically the opposite of Nevada in terms of where you can get "serviced."

 

It is also legal in a lot of countries around the world:

 

 

The categories here are interesting:

 

• Prostitution is legal and regulated (green): most of these countries regulate the brothels, many do not allow pimping to simplify regulation as requiring a "place of business" but they're fine with "delivery" service.
• Prostitution is legal but unregulated: (blue): in most cases this means that brothels and pimping are prohibited, but individuals can engage in it as independent contractors. There may be laws, but they're lightly enforced.
• Prostitution can be sold but not bought (yellow): This sounds weird because it is. In Canada's case it happened because the anti-prostitution laws were found overly-broad (heh, heh) buy the courts, and as a result, they arrest Johns, but the prostitutes go free. This is notable because in countries where it's completely illegal the opposite usually occurs, leading to obvious accusations of sexism in the application of the law.
• Prostitution is illegal (red): This is most of the population of the world, and it's mostly just hold over prudishness and religious morality at work (note that Israel and India are countries where it's legal/unregulated!)

Now as Coveny alludes, the real issue in legalization is that as a practical matter it's a business that is highly prone to abuse and human trafficking. That's why there are almost as many problems in the "legal but unregulated" countries as there are in the "illegal" countries. Thus there's a really strong argument that if you're going to make it legal, regulate it. 

 

Hey, it can be a great source of tax revenue, just like legalized drugs are!

 

And that whole idea about forcing people to have STD testing would be a boon for public health. It might even satisfy those self-described anti-abortion folks who really just don't like the idea of people having sex for fun.

 

 

Politics and prostitution have to be the only jobs where inexperience is considered a virtue. In what other profession would you brag about not knowing stuff? “I’m not one of those fancy Harvard heart surgeons. I’m just an unlicensed plumber with a dream and I’d like to cut your chest open.” The crowd cheers, :phones:

Buffy

[TomKalbfus]

Does prostitution objectify women? Does prostitution break up marriages? What happens to the children of such marriages that are broken up by prostitution? What happens to the children of prostitutes? What are we teaching are children when we legalize prostitution? what about the teenage boy who hires a prostitute to go out with him at the high school prom? At proms people hire limousines, rent out a tux, buy a prom dress, what if Jonny can't find a girlfriend, should the parents just hire a prostitute to take their son to the prom? What if a kid is socially maladjusted, he's somewhat of a loner and not popular with the girls? Just hire a prostitute right?

Edited October 21, 2017 by TomKalbfus

[Buffy]

Does prostitution objectify women?

Seems to me you guys do just as much objectification of women no matter what the laws are.

 

My own experience has varied widely, with "old-fashioned" Aussie guys being pretty much the worst chauvinists I've found anywhere. Dutch guys are pretty much awesome as are Germans, and Israelis are raised egalitarian, so legalization certainly isn't inherently a problem.

 

The worst are fundamentalist Christian Americans and fundamentalist Muslim Arabs. Both rant and rave about saving women's honor while not doing a damn thing to actually treat women as anything but sex objects, maids and baby-making machines.

 

So quite frankly, in my book being against prostitution is a pretty good sign of a place with guys I couldn't stand to be around.

 

Does prostitution break up marriages?

They might be slightly correlated, but if you're dumb enough to think that that's proof of causation, I have a perpetual motion machine you might want to buy.

 

What happens to the children of such marriages that are broken up by prostitution?

Pretty much the same as marriages broken up by adultery, domestic violence, sociopathic in-laws or dozens of other reasons for divorce.

 

Think divorce is inherently bad? Sure you don't wanna buy my perpetual motion machine?

 

What happens to the children of prostitutes?

In general, the same thing that happens to most kids: their life is pretty much based on their socio-economic environment. In countries where prostitution is legal and regulated, prostitutes can make good pay, keep hours that are flexible enough to allow them to spend the time being involved in their kid's upbringing.

 

Seriously, who do you think has more time to spend with their kids, a mom making minimum wage plus tips as a waitress or a prostitute who makes $100-$500/hour?

 

 

What are we teaching are children when we legalize prostitution?

To have a healthy attitude about how normal sex is, as opposed to it being something to be ashamed of and avoided except for procreation.

 

what about the teenage boy who hires a prostitute to go out with him at the high school prom? At proms people hire limousines, rent out a tux, buy a prom dress, what if Jonny can't find a girlfriend, should the parents just hire a prostitute to take their son to the prom? What if a kid is socially maladjusted, he's somewhat of a loner and not popular with the girls? Just hire a prostitute right?

I dunno. Seems like this has been the plot of more than a few Hollywood "teen" movies, even if it was kind of hidden. I mean y'all have seen Weird Science? What did you think that was about?

 

 

You and I are such similar creatures, Vivian. We both screw people for money, :phones:

Buffy

[TomKalbfus]

Seems to me you guys do just as much objectification of women no matter what the laws are.

 

My own experience has varied widely, with "old-fashioned" Aussie guys being pretty much the worst chauvinists I've found anywhere. Dutch guys are pretty much awesome as are Germans, and Israelis are raised egalitarian, so legalization certainly isn't inherently a problem.

 

The worst are fundamentalist Christian Americans and fundamentalist Muslim Arabs. Both rant and rave about saving women's honor while not doing a damn thing to actually treat women as anything but sex objects, maids and baby-making machines.

 

So quite frankly, in my book being against prostitution is a pretty good sign of a place with guys I couldn't stand to be around.

 

 

They might be slightly correlated, but if you're dumb enough to think that that's proof of causation, I have a perpetual motion machine you might want to buy.

 

 

Pretty much the same as marriages broken up by adultery, domestic violence, sociopathic in-laws or dozens of other reasons for divorce.

 

Think divorce is inherently bad? Sure you don't wanna buy my perpetual motion machine?

 

 

In general, the same thing that happens to most kids: their life is pretty much based on their socio-economic environment. In countries where prostitution is legal and regulated, prostitutes can make good pay, keep hours that are flexible enough to allow them to spend the time being involved in their kid's upbringing.

 

Seriously, who do you think has more time to spend with their kids, a mom making minimum wage plus tips as a waitress or a prostitute who makes $100-$500/hour?

 

 

 

To have a healthy attitude about how normal sex is, as opposed to it being something to be ashamed of and avoided except for procreation.

 

 

I dunno. Seems like this has been the plot of more than a few Hollywood "teen" movies, even if it was kind of hidden. I mean y'all have seen Weird Science? What did you think that was about?

 

 

You and I are such similar creatures, Vivian. We both screw people for money, :phones:

Buffy

So the prostitute's kid asks her mom, "Who's my daddy?" The prostitute shrugs her shoulders and says, "I don't know hun!, I guess one of the condoms broke! But there were so many, its hard to keep track of them all!"

 

You like single parent homes? That's what you get with prostitution, both with the prostitutes themselves and some of their customers. You ever read Brave New World by any chance? Maybe it wasn't required reading in your school like it was in mine.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

[Buffy]

So the prostitute's kid asks her mom, "Who's my daddy?" The prostitute shrugs her shoulders and says, "I don't know hun!, I guess one of the condoms broke! But there were so many, its hard to keep track of them all!"

You are apparently unaware of this thing called birth control. You probably think this is how all children of prostitutes are conceived.

 

People who think this are brutally sexist and stunningly ignorant.

 

You like single parent homes? That's what you get with prostitution, both with the prostitutes themselves and some of their customers.

How so? Oh I can imagine you thinking, "no one would *ever* marry a prostitute! They're icky!"

 

And of course due to your superior intelligence, it must be the case that this never, ever happens. Nor that any child of a prostitute is anything other than due to a "broken condom."

 

Must be true. Tom Kalbfus said so.

 

You ever read Brave New World by any chance? Maybe it wasn't required reading in your school like it was in mine.

You may have read it dear, but you don't seem to have absorbed many of its themes, notably totalitarianism driven by corporatism, both of which conservative libertarians love. 

 

We also have a "Soma" problem with the current opioid epidemic that is driven by pharmaceutical manufacturers and abetted by their bought-and-paid-for, mostly conservative politicians. It's the hate of regulation and insistence on giving corporations the "freedom to innovate" that's ensured that problem.

 

It's nice that you read, but you should work on your comprehension.

 

 

Words can be like X-rays if you use them properly -- they’ll go through anything. You read and you’re pierced, :phones:

Buffy

[TomKalbfus]

You are apparently unaware of this thing called birth control. You probably think this is how all children of prostitutes are conceived.

 

People who think this are brutally sexist and stunningly ignorant.

 

How so? Oh I can imagine you thinking, "no one would *ever* marry a prostitute! They're icky!"

 

And of course due to your superior intelligence, it must be the case that this never, ever happens. Nor that any child of a prostitute is anything other than due to a "broken condom."

 

Must be true. Tom Kalbfus said so.

 

You may have read it dear, but you don't seem to have absorbed many of its themes, notably totalitarianism driven by corporatism, both of which conservative libertarians love. 

 

We also have a "Soma" problem with the current opioid epidemic that is driven by pharmaceutical manufacturers and abetted by their bought-and-paid-for, mostly conservative politicians. It's the hate of regulation and insistence on giving corporations the "freedom to innovate" that's ensured that problem.

 

It's nice that you read, but you should work on your comprehension.

 

 

Words can be like X-rays if you use them properly -- they’ll go through anything. You read and you’re pierced, :phones:

Buffy

I believe the word your looking for is Libertarianism. Libertarians are the ones who want to legalize all sorts of harmful drugs, not conservatives! Libertarians also want to legalize prostitution, these are things both libertarians and liberals often agree on! What they disagree on is the size of government and on how much they want to be taxed. Liberals like big government, libertarians like small government. One thing I disagree with you on is the idea that casual sex is healthy and normal, it isn't, it produces children out of wedlock, as birth control isn't 100%. People often have sex on the spur of the moment, they let their emotions run away with them, and they often forget to say something like, "Hey wait a minute, let me put on my condom, where is it now, I know I put it somewhere." For prostitutes, its a chance to make money, they have to make sure they have their condemns ready and that theu took their birth control pills, but did they? They had an awful lot to drink at that party, they were paid to go to, memory is not very clear, "Hey what's this, my period is late, uh oh! Must have forgot to take those pills that night"

 

Sex should be within monogamous couples preferably within the institution of marriage. If a baby happens that they haven't planned for, at least they are married and it is between them, and one does not have to keep a list of all of one's sex partners and times they had sex with each in order to zero in on who the likely father would be. There is a counter culture built around causal sex.

 

These are the lyrics of a famous song which illustrates this counter-culture:

 

 

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Let me jump in your game

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Let me jump in your game

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Let me jump in your game

She's walking down the street

Blind to every eye she meets

Do you think you'll be the guy

To make the queen of the angels sigh?

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

I love you

Want you

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Let me jump in your game

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Let me jump in your game

She holds her head so high

Like a statue in the sky

Her arms are wicked and her legs are long

When she moves my brain screams out this song

Sidewalk crouches at her feet

Like a dog that begs for something sweet

Do you hope to make her see you fool ?

Do you hope to pluck this dusky jewel ?

Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello

I need you

I need you

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

Hello, I love you

Won't you tell me your name?

 

Songwriters: ANDRE YOUNG, DAWAUN PARKER, MARK BATSON, TREVOR ANTHONY LAWRENCE, MARSHALL B III MATHERS

© Warner/Chappell Music, Inc., Universal Music Publishing Group

For non-commercial use only.

Data From: LyricFind

 

This idea is so alien to what I find appropriate, its not healthy. Having sex with strangers is a really stupid idea, especially if you don't know their name! Sex is what creates human beings! It is inappropriate to trivialize this act, if one does this, one must be prepared start a family and take care of the children created, that is what responsible adults do.