Holocaust Denial Is Hate Speech

[HouseKnight1]

From 1945 on, the Holocaust statistics are based on the national demography statistics of all countries, once occupied by the Nazis. Simply, we take prewar statistics and subtract postwar statistics. From that, we subtract the numbers of refugees, who fled to the third countries. The result is 6.000.000, which is «sacred».

I believe this 6.000.000 is not 100% accurate, because of few unaccounted factors. For example, the prewar statistics consider as «non-Jews» quit significant part of the Jews, who had changed their ethnicity record because of fear of persecution or murder.

Antisemitic persecutions and pogroms were not just Hitler’s invention. Some 25 years before Hitler’s Holocaust, there happened less known WWI Holocaust, when about 1.500.000 Jews were murdered. One of these victims was my Grandfather, who was murdered by Russian soldier when he walked with My mother in the street. Jews did have reasons to hide their ethnicity.

Nazis have included these crypto-Jews in their statistics, prepared by Dieter Wisliceny before the Holocaust was launched. The sign «Judenfrei» was placed after the number of victims was close to Wisliceny numbers. That is, the crypto-Jews were murdered along with «open» Jews. That is, the real number of the victims of the Holocaust is bigger, than 6.000.000.

The number of Crypto-Jews is estimated as 10% of Jews populations, it varies in accordance with the degree of prewar antisemitism by country. Me personally was familiar with some Crypto-Jews, one of them was my High school mate, another was my work colleague etc. In another hand, some Crypto-Jews survived Holocaust and kept their Crypto-Jewish status, one of these was My Mother’s friend.

Thus, how justified is ban on the Holocaust denial? According to My personal experience, the Holocaust denial is one of main expressions of the antisemitism, let’s look at Iran Holocaust denial. The ban is justified especially in the countries, where main population took part in the Holocaust, that is in most countries of Europe.

The USA people are less informed about Holocaust, and may have questions. However, ignorance cannot justify immorality. Most of people, denying the Holocaust, do it out of antisemitic emotions, or as the result of antisemitic brainwashing.

Holocaust denial is actually antisemitic hate speech, and like any other antisemitic hate speech, it must be punished. I believe, the USA lawmakers have to re-consider their approach to the Holocaust denial. Just I gave statistics and facts, confirming Holocaust, or rather two last Holocausts from many, which were performed against the Jews in Europe and Middle East in the course of last 2.000 years.

Holocaust denial isn’t searching for facts, but just denial of firm facts. This denial insults all Jews, but especially it insults relatives of Holocaust victims.

The USA lawmakers forbade insults against black people, quite reasonably, without fear of exaggeration. So, why do Jewish people are not protected from most mean, obvious humiliation by Holocaust denial? This is the essence of my message, and this is the caption of the thread.

Antisemites sow antisemitic garbage under disguise of Palestine protection. They confirm my assertion, that BDS and other «protectors» of Palestine are actually old-style antisemites in new mask. Using the label «Zionist» instead of name «Jew» is common antisemitic trick to avoid accusation of antisemitism. My point is, however, that modern antisemitism=anti-Zionism.

Holocaust denial isn’t «political debate» at all. It’s quite purposed humiliation of all Jews.

The Holocaust was sentenced by Nuremberg tribunal. The number of 6.000.000 was named as witness to Tribunal, it was prepared after thorough research. «Political debate», which accuses Nuremberg law court and its witnesses, must pass new law court. I believe, that Anti-Defamation league is entitled to initiate legal action against Holocaust deniers.

http://aaronblog.co/2018/02/holocaust-denial/

Edited February 6, 2018 by HouseKnight1

[HouseKnight1]

Holocaust denial isn’t «political debate» at all. It’s quite purposed humiliation of all Jews.
The Holocaust was sentenced by Nuremberg tribunal. The number of 6.000.000 was named as witness to Tribunal, it was prepared after thorough research. «Political debate», which accuses Nuremberg law court and its witnesses, must pass new law court. I believe, that Anti-Defamation league is entitled to initiate legal action against Holocaust deniers.

[sanctus]

ADMIN note:

Antisemites sow antisemitic garbage under disguise of Palestine protection. They confirm my assertion, that BDS and other «protectors» of Palestine are actually old-style antisemites in new mask. Using the label «Zionist» instead of name «Jew» is common antisemitic trick to avoid accusation of antisemitism. My point is, however, that modern antisemitism=anti-Zionism.

LAst warning:
you have been warned before, just finding new ways to call everyone critcising Isreal for their actions to Palestinians and anti-semite is insulting! If you wonder why this is insulting, not much I can do about that...but you can read my second last paragraph here below



Personal reply:
Are you oppressed today? Are Palestinains oppressed today? No finger pointing and historical reasons, just facts today. Answer is No and Yes. That is why I am criticizing Israel. The only one bringing religion in is you. You think this is anti-semite? Well I boycott everything from Turkey too (Erdogan's building of totalitarian state), so am I an anti-muslim? And while Berlusconi was in power I boycotted all italian products, so am I anti-christian? When will you eventually get it that it is not about religion for most of people, but YOU make it be about religion...


 Antisemites or any other ideology wanting to commit genocide are monsters,  but you throw this around to people just like saying someone is an idiot.
In all your post above you made a big point on why holocaust denial is not just an opinion or political debate and the you throw around antisemite just casually although equally strong since it is those who commited this crime! At least be coherent!

And as a last note I do not get the reason of this post, any member here denying the holocaust, neo-nazi, fascisct etc. is banned on the spot. Do not believe me, search the forums...we are a forum for discussion of science (and politcs)...

 

[HouseKnight1]

ADMIN note:

LAst warning:

you have been warned before, just finding new ways to call everyone critcising Isreal for their actions to Palestinians and anti-semite is insulting! If you wonder why this is insulting, not much I can do about that...but you can read my second last paragraph here below

 

 

 

Personal reply:

Are you oppressed today? Are Palestinains oppressed today? No finger pointing and historical reasons, just facts today. Answer is No and Yes. That is why I am criticizing Israel. The only one bringing religion in is you. You think this is anti-semite? Well I boycott everything from Turkey too (Erdogan's building of totalitarian state), so am I an anti-muslim? And while Berlusconi was in power I boycotted all italian products, so am I anti-christian? When will you eventually get it that it is not about religion for most of people, but YOU make it be about religion...

 

 

 Antisemites or any other ideology wanting to commit genocide are monsters,  but you throw this around to people just like saying someone is an idiot.

In all your post above you made a big point on why holocaust denial is not just an opinion or political debate and the you throw around antisemite just casually although equally strong since it is those who commited this crime! At least be coherent!

 

And as a last note I do not get the reason of this post, any member here denying the holocaust, neo-nazi, fascisct etc. is banned on the spot. Do not believe me, search the forums...we are a forum for discussion of science (and politcs)...

 

 

Iran Ayatollahs proclaim annihilation of Israel, that's their credo for both internal and external use. And they do everything to execute this goal. The Palestinians cooperate Iran's efforts. HAMAS and currently FATAH help Iran. In the course of last century the Palestinians helped all possible antisemitic powers, like Ottoman empire, forced on British empire anti-Zionist policies, cooperated with Nazi Germany, Nasser, Saddam Hussein, the USSR, and currently cooperate with islamists, with  European and some american antisemites. Unfortunately, now, like in the past, the Palestinian people seek genocide of the Jews. They aren't oppressed people but suffer consequences of their antisemitism. The conditions of mutually acceptable compromise are well known. The Palestinians exploit the differences as the pretext for their efforts to annihilate Israel, and call the World to help them in their antisemitic task.

These are facts NOW. I recall history with the purpose to clarify current events. The Palestinian stance is strictly antisemitic NOW, and it continues Palestinian antisemitic past.

My point is, that the Palestinians differ from other antisemites from one single point of view: they suffer because of their antisemitism. The Palestinians were and remain currently aggressors, whose aggression was repelled, therefore they suffer.

To achieve peace, we all, including the Jews, must realize these basic facts, and do in accordance with real situation. The "pro-Palestinian" myths are main obstacle to peace.

These are My views, based on personal experience and life long learning politics and history. Occasionally, My father was highly politicized communist and anti-Zionist. I was forced to learn politics starting from age 5, and continue this hobby up to this day. I believe, that Political sciences forum fits my interests.

Well, I may keep silent, just like I kept silent in the course of 43 years until I leaved the USSR. But I believe, that Your forum will lose from My silence. Finally, I participate other forums, Facebook and Google groups.  

[sanctus]

As long as you stop throwing around anti-semite at anyone for criticizing Israel you are welcome on this forums.

But I will keep arguing with you ;-)