juicy_fruit_2005 Posted July 16, 2005 Report Posted July 16, 2005 Hi,I am doing an assignment on the how the universe was created and I need as many theories as possible. I am only 14 so they need to be easy to understand. The assignment is due in one week so I need them ASAP. They can be any theory even religous ones.If you can help me I would really appreciate it.Thanks, Sarah :) Quote
coldcreation Posted July 16, 2005 Report Posted July 16, 2005 Hi,I am doing an assignment on the how the universe was created and I need as many theories as possible. I am only 14 so they need to be easy to understand. The assignment is due in one week so I need them ASAP. They can be any theory even religous ones.If you can help me I would really appreciate it.Thanks, Sarah :) Cool, OK, here is a religious theory. It was invented by a Belgian Priest by the name of George Lemaìtre officially in 1932. He dubbed it the Primeval Atom. Lemaître’s theory of the origin of the universe is indeed a replacement of scientific terminology for the Old Testament—although he falls short of answering Augustine’s query about what God was doing before creation: He would leave that to others. No matter, the pope in 1952 accepted the privemal atom as the origin of the universe. Though his mythical tragedy crucially lacks the inherent sense of reason found in, for example, the Judaic tradition, Lemaître was able to make Genesis compatible with general relativity. Fred Hoyle eventually coined it the big bang. The big bang, like the Garden, was a paradise of beauty, untouchable, a unique opportunity, where the First Parents originate. The big bang drove everything from the Garden and prevented them from returning (Gen. 3). Since then, the big bang loves us and has provided abundantly for us, the light elements, but the big bang also requires obedience today, and has given us new laws and commandments which we can obey, if we love Him (I Jn. 5: 3). O how it pleased them, and fed their vain humor, digito monstrari et dicier, Hic est—to be pointed out, and to have it said—This be He. OK, OK, I'll keep this simple: The primeval atom, from Genesis to Revelation, has been subjected to almost every internal and external test imaginable. Its authenticity or canonicity has been consistently established, despite the lack of any direct physical evidence. There are books, however, that some believe should be part of the standard model, called Apocrypha, or inflationary expansion. The primordial explosion-Bible has other apocryphal books interspersed among and attached to the undisputable scriptures and its four-dimensional continuum, consisting of twenty-five dimensions (more or less), called superstring theory. Beloved, I understand. See the Vatican Observatory Annual Report . Any year. Quote
UncleAl Posted July 16, 2005 Report Posted July 16, 2005 Any valid conjecture must be consistent with observation. That does not leave many possiblities. 1) http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0403292http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310723 WMAP + Sloane Digital Sky Surveyhttp://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404175 Dark matter candidateshttp://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/March01/Carroll/frames.html Carroll on what it all means. 2) God did it. Why does the omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent Creator of the Universe come up short of pocket change every Sunday? Test of faith! Smallpox before vaccination? Test of faith! Malaria, HIV, birth defects, childhood leukemia, retinoblastoma, starvation, plague, pestilence, poverty... Test of faith! Dominus et magister noster Iesus Christus dicendo "Poenitentiam agite adpropinquavit enim regnum caelorum" omnem vitam fidelium penitentiam esse voluit. Test of faith! Test of faith! Test of faith! Test of faith! Test of faith! Make your choice. If Uncle Al wants a light on he shfits his butt and flips a switch. Uncle Al believes in science, technology, and engineering. The Japanese creation myth is particularly entertaining for being vigorously pornographic. Hindus have 36 crores of gods - that's 360 million of them. Scientology is perhaps the purest of religions for being totally cuckoo-cuckoo and unabashedly sucking your money with an industrial vacuum cleaner. Quote
coldcreation Posted July 16, 2005 Report Posted July 16, 2005 Any valid conjecture must be consistent with observation. That does not leave many possiblities. Scientology is perhaps the purest of religions for being totally cuckoo-cuckoo and unabashedly sucking your money with an industrial vacuum cleaner. Thank you uncleal, I can't believe we are finally in a greament on something. I never thought it would happen. I just got a great laugh reading what you wrote. Not bad mon. You are not just a disgruntled chemicaluncleAl thast I thought you were, you are also a very sensitive, and funny guy when you want to be. You have potential. Permit me to add to what you have so eloquently write, though, what follows is mostly a continuation of the idea spelled out in my previous post, see above. Also, I hope, Juicy_Fruit_2005 (nice name) that this will solve the problem you seek to solve for school: remember though to tell your teacher: it is not the quantity that, but the quality that counts: The Big Bang miracle and its litter of Black Holes involve the relaxing or suspension of the physical laws of nature and the enacting of supernatural forces. (Miracle, or, Dunamis in Greek, is defined as ‘inherent ability…works of supernatural origin and character, such as could not be produced by natural agents and means’). True miracles are therefore contrary to, outside of, and above nature, physically and naturally impossible. The miracles of Bibletimes continue, however, to produce Faith (Jn. 20: 30,31): the Perfect thing. What the world is dealing with, then, is not a problem of nature, but of the mind. The question is hardly startling. In a sense, the world’s imagination has been tainted with blaring assertions of brutal candor for eons. Recall an ancient Hindu text: If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the skyThat would be like the splendor of the Mighty One.I am become death, The shatterer of the worlds. Why are the big bang high priests themselves divided on the issue? Really, they are not. There is one phrase in the English language that best outlines the central belief, the consensus omnium, and aspiration among cosmologists worldwide. “There is no God other than the big bang, and inflation is our prophet.” But this phrase exemplifies the Grand Unitarian Theories, (GUTs). Even the average person with no theological ax to grind is apt to envisage both black hole and big bang singularities as stealthy objects or events indistinguishable from the bewildering array of such creatures as ghosts, goblins, fairies, phantoms, angels, demons, devils, gods, demigods, imps, jinns, trolls, sprites, nymphs, Keebler elves, fauns, wish-nicks, poltergeists and other apparition-like spirits. Some of them are compassionate; some are malicious, though the majority alternate amid the two extremes, and all of which are the cosmythologists worst nightmare. Beloved, rejoice that a great blunder is about to be undone. Quote
Erasmus00 Posted July 16, 2005 Report Posted July 16, 2005 Hi,I am doing an assignment on the how the universe was created and I need as many theories as possible. I am only 14 so they need to be easy to understand. The assignment is due in one week so I need them ASAP. They can be any theory even religous ones.If you can help me I would really appreciate it.Thanks, Sarah :) There is a lot written on the Big Bang, which is the currently accepted scientific model. I'm sure you could google search for it and find lots of useful stuff. As far as religious theories, most simply start and end with "God did it." -Will Quote
Southtown Posted July 17, 2005 Report Posted July 17, 2005 Ya, there are only two real possibilities: intentional creation, or accidental evolution. God did it vs. nobody did it. Either something comes from nothing or nothing never was. So that leaves the 6 day creation by the Hebrew God Jehova, or the big bang. I'm not acutely aware of any others. Sorry I couldn't add any. LOL Quote
Southtown Posted July 17, 2005 Report Posted July 17, 2005 Sorry I couldn't add any. LOLWell, except for the strange blendings of the two. What are they called? Old-earth creationists? Where God made a big bang, allowed evolution, and helped it along the way, thus validating most scientists' interpretations of observed phenomena. Funny thing though, the supposed sudden global extinction of all life around the time of the dinosaurs had to be an meteor that didn't leave a crater, because evidence couldn't point to a global flood. That would prove God did it, and since our dating methods are infallible, that simply won't work. ROFL Quote
Aleph-Null Posted July 21, 2005 Report Posted July 21, 2005 You should instruct your teacher that the age of the universe is unknown but should focus your report on the effect that the Big Bang has had on our universe. :shrug: Quote
C1ay Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Did you try looking through this list? I see a few good one's there..... Quote
Little Bang Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 South, the crater of the astroid that wiped out the dinosaurs was found. The crater is down there by Cancun and it wiped out 70% of all on Earth. 250 million years ago during the permian - triassic period something wiped out 95% of all life. There are some who think the burning of fossils is taking us down that raod again. Natuonal Geographic has link for it. Quote
Aki Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 What about this one from the string theory:The universe was created when two branes collided together.http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ce225/physics.html Quote
Aleph-Null Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 What about this one from the string theory:The universe was created when two branes collided together.http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ce225/physics.html Nooooooo!! Your wording is all wrong. The "Big Bang" is a result of when two branes collided, NOT the Universe. When the Universe consisted of two branes the UNIVERSE was existing as two branes. The Universe was not, was not, "created" by the two branes, the universe WAS the two branes, the BIG BANG resulted from the collision of the two branes... but not the universe. The universe is all that exists, if all that existed was two branes then that is what the universe was. Quote
C1ay Posted July 22, 2005 Report Posted July 22, 2005 Ya, there are only two real possibilities: intentional creation, or accidental evolution. God did it vs. nobody did it. Either something comes from nothing or nothing never was. So that leaves the 6 day creation by the Hebrew God Jehova, or the big bang. I'm not acutely aware of any others. Sorry I couldn't add any. LOLIMO yours is a very close-minded point of view. Quote
coldcreation Posted July 23, 2005 Report Posted July 23, 2005 IMO yours is a very close-minded point of view. At least he has two possibilities. I only have one: God didn't do it. It doesn't take two branes to figure that out. Quote
FRIPRO Posted October 18, 2006 Report Posted October 18, 2006 Hi,I am doing an assignment on the how the universe was created and I need as many theories as possible. I am only 14 so they need to be easy to understand. The assignment is due in one week so I need them ASAP. They can be any theory even religous ones.If you can help me I would really appreciate it.Thanks, Sarah :hihi: SARAH: Here is somthing to think about: It is a new theory that is now being published on line in HTML . I had placed it under Universe Inteligent Design via Evolution (UIDE) but one of the moderators cut it off, because of the shouting . . . Here is the summary of it:the latest manuscript version # 40 PREFACEThe Scientific ControversyOne of the four scientific contradiction that puzzle the Earth's people and their scientist most, is the design and unlikely origin of the Universe. The scientific contradictions are: 1. The Universe has an Ether particle atmosphere. 2. The Universe is eternal. 3. The Universe was created out of nothing during the Big Bang. *4. A Creator (Id) created the Universe. The first (1) Scientific contradiction has been argue for centuries, does the Universe have an Ether atmosphere? I proposed and prove mathematically that the Ether atmosphere of the Universe exists and consist of particles. I have named this basic particle the Wit, whereupon it is the basic particle of the Universe's Atmospheric Sea.Note: The Wit particle has a calculated mass of* 7.371963x 10- 48* g-sec.**(A "Wit"*particle being 7.371963x 10-48* grams, at a frequency in space of one hertz per sec.) *Refer to Chapter 3 and 4, and the reference at the end of this manuscript, for mathematical proof.* The WIT particles mass in grams was calculated considering the density of the Universes Ether and how fast light waves traverse its sea. The particle size was determined by that fact. Only an Ether atmosphere can support the two states of energy, that of the photon and that of mass.Webster’s dictionary definition for a "Wit" is: the limit of one's mental resources; also, at one's wits' end, further translated by myself, to: "that which is the smallest mass particle one can imagine or measure." We must then think about the concept (2) the Universe is eternal, perpetual, constantly changing. To clarify; however, the evolution on Earth as a living organism, is the means that the Earth does improve or repair itself. This is accomplished through the Universe's inhabitants (humans, plants and other living species) to build the Earth's network as a living thinking organism; or, allow itself to be destroyed, internally or externally through it’s environmental mistakes. Do not equate this theory with religion it is not Theology but pure Science. The detection of the local Big Bang (3) did not prove creation or intelligent design (Id) of the Universe, by an implied superior being. Darwinism is not the whole story either. Evolution happened well before Darwin's discoveries, his proven theories being only part of the evolutionary story as a whole. Any one who has lived the pass 80 years knows that the Earth's people, cities and technology has had a awesome advance. Think what a million years can do. I believe the Big Bang, in some form, did happen about 13 billion years ago as our scientist predicted, however its origin is clouded with controversy. It did not create the Universe; however, it probably created the vast section of the Universe which our Milky Way galaxy's Sun Earth Solar system now occupies. The theory of Intelligent design (Id) by enthusiast religious teachers is Theology, and UIDE is Science. The reason being, even a creator (4) cannot produce the Universe out of nothing, by way of the Big Bang. This god creator would have to be in or part of a Universe, to have done so.** Consequently, if a god did exist to create the Universe he would have to be part of the Universe. Therefore, the Universe would eternally exist prior to the Big Bang, or none of us would be here now. It is unfortunate that both theories depend on the words, intelligent design. There are constant theoretical arguments as to where did the Earth, the Universe and humans come from. Does the Universe have consciousness, an atmosphere, and is the Earth a living organism?* The Earth's human’s inhabitants (including the millions of other species living in, on, in and outside the atmosphere) are in the process of building an interconnected brain network, for the Earth's living organism. Evolution on Earth is obvious, archeologists have found a scull of a lower form of man (the primitive Lucy baby) dated three million years ago living on Earth. The evolution of some Earth's human like species, certainly has come a long way in their brain power since Lucy. Most of the above mentioned scientific and theoretical argument are a constant source of questions. The cry from the many theoretical and scientific experts says, "prove it". Go to any 'on line forum' on the internet, and one will see how badly divided the worlds communities are, with regards to answers to the above arguments.** You would be amazed at the amount of advice an author like me gets from the readers of the forums. Most people students (scientist) have been schooled in the concept of experimental proof and constant argument as to any new theory that threatens what they have learned in university etc. New theories, even if valid, are required to fight the rigid rules, of the established groups in science and religion. Most people on Earth are frozen in their ideas and thoughts and are in a proverbial deep freeze. Only the free thinker can be eager to look to new ideas about an Intelligent Universe. Can there ever be a unified theory of an Intelligent Universe that is accepted as truth by humans? Do we humans even have the brain power, to know and understand the Universes true mechanism. If our brains through evolution, refer to 'Lucy', do reach the point that we can handle the vast computations required to understand, how would it affect the human intelligentsia? Just because Lucy was discovered on Earth three million years ago does not mean all humans now residing on Earth, or developed on Earth. This manuscript is written in real time, and puts forth a new theory, the "Universe's Intelligent Design via Evolution"*(UIDE).** Regardless of how this manuscript proposes the answers to the great scientific controversy, half of readers believe they know better, and confront this argument with, where is your scientific proofs? Or do you expect me to accept it on faith alone? Others will ask is it logical?**Still others will give you a list of what the current scientific formula is for accepted manuscripts and theories. Who needs these rules of writing, for they are designed to prevent new ideas from surfacing or published in a prominent journal. Small minds will attack the grammar or sentence construction, completely missing the point that UIDE being a road map to future understanding of our Universe.* Perhaps this reader’s nuance tells us the human brain still has not evolved to understand. Some writers like myself imagine what it might be, and advocate the word of UIDE. I have placed this manuscript on the Internet, in its present (soon to be finished form) evolving as I write. It is therefore an electronic “e BOOK” written in HTML language, corrected and processed by my understanding, and my computer's grammar and spelling translations. We must understand that our Earth languages are subject to misunderstandings. I quote, Re: Machine English Translation: I'm Sick of Waiting. Posted: 09-19-2006, 11:35 AM: on HFS, computers are not capable of abstract thought. Machines only can calculate logical conclusions, they cannot imagine and they cannot make conclusions based solely on intuition. Human language is complex in all its forms. English especially so. As my brother likes to say: "English is the only language where your nose can run and your feet can smell." A computer would simply trip over such abstract wording. Language involves nearly infinite possibilities, and the meaning is interpreted by the user based on far more factors than just the words themselves. Native US American English (a different language from British English), and that's in one country where we all speak the same language (in theory, anyway). I have learned enough to know that until we develop true artificial intelligence, complex translations will be beyond the capabilities of computers or programmers. There is simply too much complexity and nuance in any language to be analyzed by the type of linear logic employed by computers. I strongly urge the reader to resist the installation of Spanish (or any other language for that matter) into our American (USA) vocabulary, less we will not be able to use English as a scientific language. One language for the USA is an absolute requirement for understanding and the eventual interconnection of a living Earth's organism and mind. In fact one universal language (it may as well be English) is important for interconnecting the evolving living Earth. In this manuscript I have tried to use*American English to best explain my theory of UIDE. It is written in HTML and has been processed by computers to get the grammar and spelling more usable to the greatest number of readers. Wherever I have used italics, it means I am quoting from other public domain sources. The source data for these quotations is listed in the Reference at the end of this manuscript. Some of my readers will say, why publish this manuscript if you do not have proof? I have referenced one person published thoughts, "InfiniteNow", from "HSF Forum" who says: if you were to simply preface this comment with, "I don't have any solid proof, but I personally believe that..." I would not take issue with it. However, you have stated it in terms of the absolute, and for that I will request you support your statement with evidence beside personally written manuscripts. Wherein my statements are in the absolute they are backed up with proof.* With this in mind I would also agree with InfiniteNow from HSF, with respect to UIDE. Some area of this theory may be beyond absolute proof, at our current level of understanding. UIDE is a roadmap giving the reader considerable data to find his way, in this difficult theoretical nightmare of language, science, artificial intelligence (AI), religion and mathematics. * The Earths species (including man's technology) is evolving at a possible exponential rate. When the Earth's communications structures are networked to the highest communication power, its scientific community may then be able to accept the proof, of UIDE. Published from NASA's Office of Space Science (The Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics). *Scientists are hesitant to modify the known "laws" of physics – especially something like Einstein's theory of gravity, which has been very well tested over the past century. But with something as perplexing as dark energy, it is important to leave no stone unturned. Several leading scientists are now investigating the possibility that the most cherished laws of physics may need to be modified. It is possible that the accelerating universe is not a sign of dark energy at all, but instead signals a new aspect of the law of gravity that Einstein overlooked.** The Universe may not be as we now think it is, UIDE may teach us otherwise. The theory of the UNIVERSE'S, INTELLIGENT DESIGN*via EVOLUTION (UIDE)© , is a guiding means (a road map) of the Universe's Ether Sea construction and operation. This INTELLIGENT DESIGN is not to be mistaken with the religious version of Intelligent design (Id) by a creator (a GOD)* * FRIPRO further html reference at:http://www.fripro.com/AIDE.html Quote
FRIPRO Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 SARAH: Here is somthing to think about: It is a new theory that is now being published on line in HTML . I had placed it under Universe Inteligent Design via Evolution (UIDE) but one of the moderators cut it off, because of the shouting . . . the latest manuscript version # 46 Several leading scientists are now investigating the possibility that the most cherished laws of physics may need to be modified. It is possible that the accelerating universe is not a sign of dark energy at all, but instead signals a new aspect of the law of gravity that Einstein overlooked.[/i]** The Universe may not be as we now think it is, UIDE may teach us otherwise. The theory of the UNIVERSE'S, INTELLIGENT DESIGN*via EVOLUTION (UIDE)© , is a guiding means (a road map) of the Universe's Ether Sea construction and operation. This INTELLIGENT DESIGN is not to be mistaken with the religious version of Intelligent design (Id) by a creator (a GOD)* * FRIPRO[/i] , further html reference at:http://www.fripro.com/AIDE.html iiii Quote
InfiniteNow Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 Some of my readers will say, why publish this manuscript if you do not have proof? I have referenced one person published thoughts, "InfiniteNow", from "HSF Forum" who says: if you were to simply preface this comment with, "I don't have any solid proof, but I personally believe that..." I would not take issue with it. However, you have stated it in terms of the absolute, and for that I will request you support your statement with evidence beside personally written manuscripts. Wherein my statements are in the absolute they are backed up with proof.* With this in mind I would also agree with InfiniteNow from HSF, with respect to UIDE. Some area of this theory may be beyond absolute proof, at our current level of understanding. UIDE is a roadmap giving the reader considerable data to find his way, in this difficult theoretical nightmare of language, science, artificial intelligence (AI), religion and mathematics. * My name is Mud. That's how I'd like to be creditted... That, or "Jerry the racecar driver." ;) Feelin' the baselines now... :shrug: Quote
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