A disturbing trend?

[infamous]

That you are. I will never forgive Chrysler for killing off the Plymouth brand and the Prowler....

 

I'm close to your "hot rod" but the Buffymobile is all stock...gimme a nitrous rig and watch out though!

 

Meep, Meep!

Buffy

Look out, is that air I see under Buffy's front tires. It's the wheel standing Buffymobile. Your cool Buffy, any chic that loves nostalgia hotrods is my kind of women. It's just to darn bad that I'm such an old fart. But alas, I still get to race my hotrod.

[Qfwfq]

Seems like Buffy is developing a fan club.

I wouldn't use the gerund. She has long since developed it!!! Point at the green row below "Resident Slayer" and read the little white flag that appears.

[Dark Mind]

My God...

 

That was some heavy reading...

 

Those were some the lengthiest responses I've ever seen here :eek:.

 

Kudos to all who have participated :D.

 

Now, I'm sixteen and my "genertaion" has specifically been mentioned in here so I guess my opinion might matter (at least a little :)).

 

Porn- Not very bad, but straight up sex would be a better maturity builder and help promote good healthy relationships in life by teaching younger kids what it means to love somebody and what it takes to get them to want to be with you (As long as it's not meaningless party, drunk, or stoned sex ;)) and how you should "appropriately" interact with the opposite sex, but it also might just raise excellent cons :rant:. Porn at too young of an age promotes a corrupt youth (I've seen it happen and happening :(), kids of this generation have been taught porn is a bad thing and that it is evil (See- this) making it a kind of taboo in their mind. They start thinking the same way I describe in the above link, just for a minorly different reason. Kids should not be allowed to view pornography until they are either mature enough or sexually... capable (Our government has generalized this "regulation" by setting the standard at age 18, it is most definitely closer to 15 or 14 now however). I got lucky I think, I was exposed to pornography around the age of... hmmm, about seven. I was fortunate enough to not become obsessed with it and have it engulf my life though (Thank you SCIENCE :eek:) and I think I grew up fairly normal :eek:, I am however still a virgin ;). I've always loved the female figure (Yes, I am heterosexual), but I just never let it consume my life, there purposes in life I have to fulfill and obsessing over sex isn't part of them :eek:.

 

Violence- Not good for kids, but a neccessary evil, I believe, at this point to control the exploding population. It's that or safe sex or more homosexuals (Wasn't there a thread that brought mention of homosexuality being linked to bloated populations? Male mice on male mice and female monkeys on female monkeys when put in densely packed populations that far exceeded what the species was used to :eek:. Enh, good population controller :D.)

 

Drugs- Ask orbsycli :D...

[infamous]

My God...

 

That was some heavy reading...

 

Those were some the lengthiest responses I've ever seen here :eek:.

 

Kudos to all who have participated :D.

 

Now, I'm sixteen and my "genertaion" has specifically been mentioned in here so I guess my opinion might matter (at least a little :)).

 

Porn- Not very bad, but straight up sex would be a better maturity builder and help promote good healthy relationships in life by teaching younger kids what it means to love somebody and what it takes to get them to want to be with you (As long as it's not meaningless party, drunk, or stoned sex ;)) and how you should "appropriately" interact with the opposite sex, but it also might just raise excellent cons :rant:. Porn at too young of an age promotes a corrupt youth (I've seen it happen and happening :(), kids of this generation have been taught porn is a bad thing and that it is evil (See- this) making it a kind of taboo in their mind. They start thinking the same way I describe in the above link, just for a minorly different reason. Kids should not be allowed to view pornography until they are either mature enough or sexually... capable (Our government has generalized this "regulation" by setting the standard at age 18, it is most definitely closer to 15 or 14 now however). I got lucky I think, I was exposed to pornography around the age of... hmmm, about seven. I was fortunate enough to not become obsessed with it and have it engulf my life though (Thank you SCIENCE :eek:) and I think I grew up fairly normal :eek:, I am however still a virgin ;). I've always loved the female figure (Yes, I am heterosexual), but I just never let it consume my life, there purposes in life I have to fulfill and obsessing over sex isn't part of them :eek:.

 

Violence- Not good for kids, but a neccessary evil, I believe, at this point to control the exploding population. It's that or safe sex or more homosexuals (Wasn't there a thread that brought mention of homosexuality being linked to bloated populations? Male mice on male mice and female monkeys on female monkeys when put in densely packed populations that far exceeded what the species was used to :eek:. Enh, good population controller :D.)

 

Drugs- Ask orbsycli :D...

Very thoughtful post Dark Mind, if I hadn't just given you rep. points, I would be inclined to give you some more, but I don't think they'll let me do that unless I pass a few more around to others. In any case, I commend you as a young person for showing evidence of having greater wisdom than most people your age. Don't let the virgin thing upset your goals either, as a young man I was quite lucky with the ladies. Never did I really achieve any real happyness by conducting myself in this casual behavior and as a result, my first marriage failed and I spent many lonely years because of my infidelities. Thankfully, I've remarried and my present wife and I are totally into each other. She's my best friend, and now I realize that a good friend is worth more than a bus load of easy makes.

[Fishteacher73]

I really don't understand what so much of the fuss is about. I tended to do A LOT of things earlier than most (Chemical or sexual) and look at me, I turned out fine.... :rant: The only thing that I never realy ventured into was the whole violenve gig...I've never been in a fight in my life...granted I did send my fair share of keepers off the the fiield and to the hospital in my younger soccer playing days....

 

Denying that sex, drugs, and violence are not out there to our youth (When ANYONE with even an AM radio can tell you that that's a lie) does nothing other than to raise the mystique of it all and draw many with just curiosity. An basic open dialogue of the FACTS (surprising thing that so many in control want to hide what is in plain sight) is what is needed.

[Buffy]

<much sensible thought excised for brevity>

Amen.

 

Cheers,

Buffy

[Dark Mind]

Very thoughtful post Dark Mind, if I hadn't just given you rep. points, I would be inclined to give you some more, but I don't think they'll let me do that unless I pass a few more around to others. In any case, I commend you as a young person for showing evidence of having greater wisdom than most people your age. Don't let the virgin thing upset your goals either, as a young man I was quite lucky with the ladies. Never did I really achieve any real happyness by conducting myself in this casual behavior and as a result, my first marriage failed and I spent many lonely years because of my infidelities. Thankfully, I've remarried and my present wife and I are totally into each other. She's my best friend, and now I realize that a good friend is worth more than a bus load of easy makes.

Many thanks again infamous :eek:. Valuable life lessons are learned everyday, but I've already learned that one :eek:, thanks for reassuring it though. And yes, you must spread reputation around to ten members before giving it out again... I just had to give rep to four members so I could again give it to Buffy :eek:.

I really don't understand what so much of the fuss is about. I tended to do A LOT of things earlier than most (Chemical or sexual) and look at me, I turned out fine.... :rant: The only thing that I never realy ventured into was the whole violenve gig...I've never been in a fight in my life...granted I did send my fair share of keepers off the the fiield and to the hospital in my younger soccer playing days....

 

Denying that sex, drugs, and violence are not out there to our youth (When ANYONE with even an AM radio can tell you that that's a lie) does nothing other than to raise the mystique of it all and draw many with just curiosity. An basic open dialogue of the FACTS (surprising thing that so many in control want to hide what is in plain sight) is what is needed.

I absolutely agree Fishteacher73 :eek:.

[alxian]

i mean wouldn't it be funny after the durgs rock and roll and free love 60s-70s, ME generation in the eighties, x in the late 80s 90s, the kids of the new millenium are all super pious and moral?

 

all we do is talk about how depraved society might be becoming, its not like church groups are going away, perhaps we are throwing some of teh younger kids at them filling out thier ranks, all i hear about is kids joining youth groups and online clans.. its all so organized.. (spits the words)..

 

our children and their children might look down on us with such pity.

[Buffy]

Bwahahahahaha! Each generation likes to think that. Acutally back in the 60s, Mad magazine had a bit on "Children of the Hippies" who were all supposed to end up like Ward and June Cleaver. Well, they ended up as Paris, Britney, Eminem and Snoop Dog. Its possible to predict using any twist you want and be very wrong. The truth is, every generation has its high and low point representatives. None is "better" or "worse" than any other. Differences between generations and their "labels"--"Greatest" to "Hippies" to "Gen X" to "Gen Y"--are gross generalizations that have little value in determining direction (see my post waaaay above about the 20s flappers).

 

Older and wiser,

Buffy

[alxian]

i'm just happy the standard of living is up and rising and violent crimes are down and falling, despite inflation and expectations.

 

whatever the youngsters are up to thank god they are too busy to be running around causing trouble..

 

i've had to move into wht classically was known as the bad end of town. but its so peaceful around here i'm tempted almost to keep my doors and windows open. (to fight the heat). where 5-10 years ago wrought iron couldn't have kept you safe from the 8 y/olds...

 

so while this generation may not actually be much different from the one i grew up in it sure seems like it. i feel 'safer'.

[Qfwfq]

I think one of the greatest causes of failed marriages has always been the banning of premarital sex and the expectation that young people should choose a spouse at a young age and with little experience. Young people have an even more urgent need for sex, the tradition of chastity makes marriage an urgent thing, thus causing a lot of mistakes.

 

IMHO, before marrying and having children, one should have had plenty of experience socializing, including dating and having sex with different partners and it should never be too hard for a couple to break up. Without such experience it's even harder to judge how things might work with someone. A good friend isn't the only requisite for a successful marriage, just as attraction isn't sufficient by itself.

 

Don't let the virgin thing upset your goals either, as a young man I was quite lucky with the ladies. Never did I really achieve any real happyness by conducting myself in this casual behavior and as a result, my first marriage failed and I spent many lonely years because of my infidelities.

Perhaps it just wasn't the right marriage to work and/or it came to early.

 

Thankfully, I've remarried and my present wife and I are totally into each other. She's my best friend, and now I realize that a good friend is worth more than a bus load of easy makes.

At what age did you have the experience to be sure it would work very well? How often in younger years did you know for sure you had an equally good chance, and let it go down the drain?

 

The answer to overpopulation? Contraception, plus contraception, and also contraception.

[Southtown]

All fine and dandy except that having sex interrupts any blossoming relationship. Ask any pair of long time plutonic friends who eventually went at it.

 

And kids don't need to know how to do it in order to have relationships. They need to know how to have friends. Ask anyone happily married (monogamously) for a few decades how important sex has been in the relationship. I've only been married for five and I already know for a fact that sex means nothing at all by itself. It's the relationship that adds the fun to sex, not vice versa.

 

Porn just causes people to lose sight of what a relationship is built on (personality, mind, and mutual kindness) and causes the fixation on physical appearance and satisfaction. Without a steady flow of fuel (friendship), the fire (passion) will die.

 

Sex before marriage is THE cause for unwanted pregnancies leading to abortion, orphans, unappreciated children, single parenting, all of which cause irreversible trama and all but the first causes unstable children who then attempt to build relationships and raise children (unless the aborter is also a child.) It's all a vicious cycle caused by lack of responsibility, like Buffy says, and simply doing things because they feel good is an irrational excuse for inflicting all this needless damage.

 

Besides, any kind of self-control is beneficial and "inner strength-building", and is needed in every area from eating to road etiquette.

[Buffy]

All fine and dandy except that having sex interrupts any blossoming relationship. Ask any pair of long time plutonic friends who eventually went at it.

Oh speak for yourself on that one. Its the emotional invovement, not the sex, especially when mismatched that causes the discomfort, and with someone you have a long-term platonic relationship with, there is the desire to go back to "normal". People tend to dump people they've "only been dating". Among my friends, friends-becoming-lovers has been a pretty good source of long term relationships too, so you are cutting yourself off from some great sources if you avoid these relationship progressions. I've been through it and gone back a few times, but if you're hung up about sex, that may make it much more difficult for you....

 

YMMV,

Buffy

[Qfwfq]

All fine and dandy except that having sex interrupts any blossoming relationship. Ask any pair of long time plutonic friends who eventually went at it.

I think this has little do do with what has been said around here. Had anyone here advised old friends to have a go at it, just for the heck of it?

 

And kids don't need to know how to do it in order to have relationships. They need to know how to have friends. Ask anyone happily married (monogamously) for a few decades how important sex has been in the relationship. I've only been married for five and I already know for a fact that sex means nothing at all by itself. It's the relationship that adds the fun to sex, not vice versa.

A healthy marriage is when you don't crave for others, far more than who you married.

 

Sex before marriage is THE cause for unwanted pregnancies leading to

Prevention of unwanted pregnancies is all a matter of contraception, married or unmarried. There are also better ways of building inner strength.

[Fishteacher73]

Sex before marriage is THE cause for unwanted pregnancies leading to abortion, orphans, unappreciated children, single parenting, all of which cause irreversible trama and all but the first causes unstable children who then attempt to build relationships and raise children (unless the aborter is also a child.) It's all a vicious cycle caused by lack of responsibility, like Buffy says, and simply doing things because they feel good is an irrational excuse for inflicting all this needless damage.

Unprotected sex is THE cause of unwanted pregnancies AND STD's. Simple education will help alleviate this problem. (and reduce the abortion rate, teen preganancy, AIDS, etc...Just look at Holland).

[Happeh]

what does it mean that our society is embracing depravity to the point where celebrities are turning to scandal to self promote?

 

canadians embracing homosexual unions, the increase in the divorce rates in developed contries, abortions, the unending growth of the adult industry past the profitability of mainstream movie entertainment.

 

and specific personal scandals, cameron, madonna, pamela, paris, amoung others.

 

they've turned to the otherwise vulgar and perhaps career ending adult entertainment world to promote themselves.

 

also what about adult stars crossing over into respectability?

 

have we forgotten all of our morales? is it ok for these people to dip a toe into immorality in order to gain some fame but not suffer an implosion in their mainstream careers?

 

i have to say the meteoric rise of paris hilton (who i liken to a modern princess Di) is one of the most perplexing instances of this new trend. indeed she did test her mainstream appeal and it did well and her "video" could have been a mistake, however the "One night in Paris" simply can't be regarded as a mistake. then she stars in mainstream advertising campaigns.. sex sells. if it weren't for the wars i'd think advertisers are aiming for another baby boom?

 

I believe you are approaching the question from the wrong viewpoint. You are asking the question as if society has lost it's way or people have changed or some happenstance kind off situation nobody noticed happening. I think this is wrong.

 

I think all the things you list are purposeful. I believe a certain group of people have a vested interest in the destruction of society. They use whatever methods are handy to ensure that society does decay.

 

It is similar to what is happening in Iraq. The people went into Iraq with the express intent of destroying the society. There has been large scale assasination of any educated people. Teachers, doctors, professors....anyone who can teach the next generation of Iraqi children growing up. The people have brought in alcohol and pornography, expressly against the wishes of the majority of the Iraqi people. This is done purposefully to destroy the young people. All of this is done for purposes of conquest. To ensure the subject population never becomes smart enough or strong enough to resist control.

 

I believe that is what you are observing. I do not believe it is possible for people to simply sit around and watch the world go bad. Just like the conversation you have started here, similar conversations go on all over the country wondering what is happening. You mention Paris Hilton and her popularity. You say this as if you are dumbfounded at her popularity. As if that is a natural phenomenon.

 

I believe her popularity is manufactured. The people who wish to cause the degradation of society put forth a terrible role model for young girls. Basically a role model that encourages young girls to becomes whores. It is the same people who pushed the popularity of the Sex In The City show or the Desperate Housewhores show. What society that is normal will put a show on TV that shows bored housewives having sex with neighborhood children? It is like a do it yourself guide for bored housewives. "Are you bored? Have sex with the neighbors boy after school". You know the neighbors boy is going to go along with that. Whether he should or not.

 

There is no way that is an accident. Anyone with any sense at all knows that children follow role models they see on TV. So do young adults and even some old adults. They know exactly what will happen when they put drug users or sexually promiscuous people or stupid people up as role models. If they know what will happen, and they do it anyways, then it must be purposeful. What other explanation is there? That makes any sense at all?

 

I honest to gosh saw an episode of Dr Phil where a mother had decided she was going to be one of those sexy housewives. She went out and bought low cut tops and short skirts. Get this. Her husband called the Dr Phil show because while they were at the local mall, the man caught his wife bending over in front of a young boy while she was wearing a short skirt and tiny underwear. This adult woman who was a mother was flashing a young boy at the mall. Where did she get that idea from? From the TV! She was a regular lady. Not a trashy type of lady. A lady like on that Deperate Housewives show. Nice clothes, nice husband, nice house, a little bit of money.

[alxian]

They use whatever methods are handy to ensure that society does decay.

 

 

for their own immediate gain yes

 

however i'm looking beyond that because despite them society persists

 

its the question of why does it seem like sex as a tool is being championed of late where for the longest while the media was trying to just get it out there, forcing people to deal with its reality.

 

now it seems like because everyone is dealing with it the media is now telling them how to use it for their own gain.

 

as in there is no more need for shame, go forth multiply, in the meantime cheat lie steal and fornicate for your own gain.

 

this is the part you call decay, however not everyone will fall for it. those with moral fiber will continue to live with their notions of proper and improper but the forceful message from the media will affect them.

 

my question is how?

 

so far it seems like it make more people aware of the decay, most continue to do nothing other find constructive ways of expressing their sexuality.

 

as discussed in the thread so far decay remains a huge part of the trend but some people are less affected by it.