HouseKnight1 Posted January 13, 2020 Report Posted January 13, 2020 PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, PALESTINIAN STATES AND THE SURVIVAL OF ISRAEL The State of Palestine was created in 1993 due to Oslo Accords. Just the Jewish State and not Arabs laid the foundations of the Palestinian state. Let’s recall, in 1948 the Arabs prevented Palestinians from creating their own Palestine state. By trying to annihilate Israel, the Palestinians undermined the peace process, so thwarting the creation of their own state. No matter that someone considers Palestine or Israel to be illegitimate. Both of these states do really exist. Since it was created, the Palestinian state cannot be returned to the womb. Our challenge is to solve the Palestinian problem in such a way that Israel will not die. Likewise, it does not matter why and who created the parasitic people, called the “Palestinians”. For centuries, the ancestors of the Palestinian people robbed Christian and Jewish pilgrims to the Holy Land. Currently, the Palestinians turned the supposed victimhood into their profession, which ensures Palestine not so bad income. Anyway, this nation has already been created and is threatening to destroy Israel in one way or another. Please note: for many decades, the Palestinian people have been waging a war for the destruction of Israel relying entirely on the money of «donors», and there still remain funds for living for most Palestinians and luxury for those Palestinians who distribute this considerable money. Not to mention a considerable amount of military and officials. ………………….. In order to become a truly independent state, the Palestinians must build their economic independence, relying on cooperation with Israel and abandoning the idea of destroying the Jewish state. This path was outlined by the Oslo Accords, which were theoretically correct, but practically frustrated by the Palestinians and the anti-Semites who encouraged them. Both took advantage of the hasty withdrawal of the IDF from the West Bank and Gaza. The central idea of Oslo was developing of modern, economically independent State of Palestine, due to intensive cooperation between Israel and Palestine. Unfortunately, the Palestinian «revolutionary» leadership had another idea. They broke economic ties with Israel, burned and blew up more than 10 already existing industrial zones, and intended to finance their newly founded state just like they obtained funds for their terrorist organizations. To some extent, their idea works. However, the rapidly growing population and military expenditures ate billions of dollars. To replenish budget holes, Palestine needs more and more «aid», more and more skirmishes, more and more anti-Semitic propaganda. It may seem a paradox, but just the occupation of Palestine by Israel is necessary to create an economically independent Palestinian state. After the Oslo Accords were signed, the Palestinians were tempted by promises by anti-Semites to help them destroy Israel. Therefore they refused to create their own independent economy. This way the proclaimed independence turned a fiction. It’s time for Palestinians to fix their own mistakes. Those who really want good to the Palestinian people should push them at least to economic cooperation with Israel, and to renounce the shelling and terror. To achieve this, there is no need to sign new agreements. It’s enough a mutual consent to return to the path of Oslo. The anti-Semites, who loudly “support” Palestine, actually deprive the Palestinians of the opportunity to create a truly independent state. Today, Palestine is not an independent state, but a protectorate, that is a colony of anti-Semites. ………………….. Hamas pledges to destroy Israel not only (and not so much) to the Palestinians as to its foreign sponsors. If Hamas changes its principled position, the flow of money and other “help” to Gaza will immediately run out. In fact, Israel is forced to fight for survival against the powerful and wealthy anti-Semites of the planet. In this unequal struggle, we are not going to give up, but we need more active help from our friends around the world. In order to get the support we need, we must recognize the existence of the Palestinian people, even if some of us do not like it. Accordingly, the fact of the existence of a Palestinian state, or of two Palestinian states (in the West Bank and Gaza), created with or without our consent, must be recognized. After recognizing the Palestinian states, let’s declare a formal and de facto war on these warlike states, which will imply the legally continued occupation of the West Bank. The occupation of enemy territory, according to international law, is a legal means of defense against aggression. Strictly speaking, Israel has long recognized Palestine when it signed the Oslo Treaty. The State of Israel has not withdrawn from this treaty and is implementing it as much as possible. In accordance with this treaty, Palestine recognized the state of Israel and the legality of Jewish settlements that existed then (the treaty does not contain a word about the eviction of Jews from their homes). Note that all Jewish settlements are located in the so-called zone «C», which I will call «Judea and Samaria.» Under the Oslo Treaty, which remains the sole legal basis for relations between Israel and Palestine, “Zone C” remains to this day under Israeli jurisdiction. Let Israel to finally clarify the question of the borders of Palestine and formally annex “Zone C”. Since Palestine has withdrawn from the Oslo treaty, Israel has the legal right to fulfill the treaty unilaterally, that is, to annex Zone C, namely Judea and Samaria. This means, in particular, that all residents of «zone C», Jews and Arabs, will obtain the right to Israeli citizenship. Well, we will have more Arab fellow citizens. We will be able to get along with these new citizens, as we get along with our “old” Arab fellow citizens. Who does not want citizenship, will be able to obtain the rights of a «resident». The only difference between a citizen and a “resident” is the participation of citizens in the elections. If the Palestinians finally will realize that economic development due to peace with Israel is more important to them than the cash infusions from anti-Semitic “sponsors,” then it will be possible to re-discuss the issue of “borders of the peace.” The annexation of Zone C should be an incentive that will encourage the Palestinian people to make concessions, in order to gain more territory. …………………… Hamas’s attempts to «flood» Israel with the hostile «civilians» outwardly resemble the massive influx of Middle Eastern and African immigrants into Europe. In order to prevent the “dissolution” of the Jewish state in a host of hostile “immigrants”, we must establish a physical and legal border, separating Palestine from Israel. To achieve this we must recognize at least two Palestinian states as independent, even if today such recognition does not yet correspond to the actual state of affairs. Let’s say this step will be “politically correct”. …………………… Since 2006, Palestine has been divided into two states, the West Bank and Gaza. It is time to acknowledge the fait accompli, that is, the division of Palestine into two states hostile to us, which are waging a war with the purpose to annihilate us, each by the methods available to them. ………………….. Non-recognition of the facts only harms us in our struggle for survival. Anti-Semites have the opportunity to portray us as «invaders», oppressing the unfortunate «natives.» Just for the Jewish state, the image is very important, especially because of confrontation between Jews and anti-Semites that dominate the World Village. http://aaronblog.co/2019/11/the-state-of-palestine/ Quote
LaurieAG Posted January 14, 2020 Report Posted January 14, 2020 Not according to Google.What does it mean to be a Palestinian? A Palestinian can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1948 as Palestine, or a former citizen of the Mandatory Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. What do you call a person from Palestine? In British Mandate Palestine, all residents, Jewish or Arab, were called "Palestinians." Thus, the two groups were distinguished not by Israeli and Palestinian, but by "Jewish" and "Arab." Here's the history of just Gaza.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_GazaThe known history of Gaza spans 4,000 years. Gaza was ruled, destroyed and repopulated by various dynasties, empires, and peoples.[1] Originally a Canaanite settlement, it came under the control of the ancient Egyptians for roughly 350 years before being conquered and becoming one of the Philistines' principal cities. Gaza fell to the Israelites in about 1000 BCE but became part of the Assyrian Empire around 730 BCE. Alexander the Great besieged and captured the city in 332 BCE. Most of the inhabitants were killed during the assault, and the city, which became a center for Hellenistic learning and philosophy, was resettled by nearby Bedouins. The area changed hands regularly between two Greek successor-kingdoms, the Seleucids of Syria and the Ptolemies of Egypt, until it was besieged and taken by the Hasmoneans in 96 BCE.Gaza was rebuilt by Roman General Pompey Magnus, and granted to Herod the Great thirty years later. Throughout the Roman period, Gaza maintained its prosperity, receiving grants from several different emperors. A 500-member senate governed the city, which had a diverse population of Greeks, Romans, Jews, Egyptians, Persians and Nabateans. Conversion to Christianity in the city was spearheaded and completed under Saint Porphyrius, who destroyed its eight pagan temples between 396 and 420 CE. Gaza was conquered by the Muslim general Amr ibn al-'As in 637 CE, and most Gazans adopted Islam during early Muslim rule. Thereafter, the city went through periods of prosperity and decline. The Crusaders wrested control of Gaza from the Fatimids in 1100, but were driven out by Saladin. Gaza was in Mamluk hands by the late 13th century, and became the capital of a province that stretched from the Sinai Peninsula to Caesarea. It witnessed a golden age under the Ottoman-appointed Ridwan dynasty in the 16th century.Gaza experienced destructive earthquakes in 1903 and 1914. In 1917, during World War I, British forces captured the city. Gaza grew significantly in the first half of the 20th century under Mandatory rule. The population of the city swelled as a result of the Palestinian exodus during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Gaza came under Egyptian rule until it was occupied by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War. Gaza became a center of political activism during the First Intifada, and under the Oslo Accords of 1993, it was assigned to be under the direct control of the newly established Palestinian Authority. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. By 2007, Hamas emerged both as the victor in Palestinian elections and in factional fighting with rival Fatah in the city and in the wider Gaza Strip and has since been the sole governing authority. Israel subsequently blockaded the Strip and launched assaults against it in 2008–2009, 2012 and 2014, as a response to rocket attacks. Thoth101 1 Quote
HouseKnight1 Posted February 26, 2020 Author Report Posted February 26, 2020 Not according to Google. Here's the history of just Gaza.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_GazaNathan Benjamin ben Elisha Hayyim ha'Levi Ashkenazi / Ghazzati or Nathan of Gaza (Hebrew: נתן העזתי; 1643–1680) was a theologian and author born in Jerusalem. After his marriage in 1663 he moved to Gaza, where he became famous as a prophet for the alleged messiah, Sabbatai Zevi.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_of_Gaza Quote
LaurieAG Posted February 26, 2020 Report Posted February 26, 2020 Nathan Benjamin ben Elisha Hayyim ha'Levi Ashkenazi / Ghazzati or Nathan of Gaza (Hebrew: נתן העזתי; 1643–1680) was a theologian and author born in Jerusalem. After his marriage in 1663 he moved to Gaza, where he became famous as a prophet for the alleged messiah, Sabbatai Zevi.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_of_Gaza You missed this bit. In December 1665, Shabbetai Zevi and Nathan of Gaza parted ways. Shabbetai Zevi embarked on a journey to Turkey where he would begin to advocate his newfound position as the Jewish savior. They would not see each other again until after Shabbetai Zevi's later conversion to Islam. Thus, from the fall of 1665 until the summer of 1666, the two worked arduously on the next stage of their movement: convincing the world that Shabbetai Zevi was the messiah....Even after Shabbethai Ẓebi's apostasy Ghazzati did not desert his cause; but, thinking it unsafe to remain in Palestine any longer, he made preparations to go to Smyrna. The rabbis, seeing that the credulous were confirmed anew in their belief, excommunicated all the Shabbethaians, and particularly Ghazzati (Dec 9, 1666), warning everybody against harboring or even approaching him. Thoth101 1 Quote
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