Coronavirus Is Fake News

[OceanBreeze]

With NYC jacking up the numbers, there was no way my estimate could ever hold.

 

Look, they went from 1,535 on April 13, to 6,185 on April 14, and back down to 2,618 on April 16.

 

If you believe those numbers, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you are probably interested in buying.

 

If the curve was allowed to follow the course it was on at April 13, there was a reasonable chance that 40,000 estimate would not have been far off. I hope you don’t cheer too loud when 40,000 is passed by; those are human lives and not just numbers.

 

Meanwhile, the CDC estimates between 39 million and 55 million flu illnesses, at least 400,000 hospitalizations, and as many as 63,000 deaths from flu, of which 162 are pediatric, this season. This happens every year and we don’t shut the country down and destroy the economy.

 

As I posted earlier, there is no conceivable way that NYC can be driving the numbers for the entire nation other than blatant manipulation, such as counting practically every death from any cause as a covid death, for political purposes.

 

As for the experts, here is what the great Dr Fauci was saying on Jan 26:

 

“It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.

"But it's something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection."

 

Despite that sort of advice from his top infectious disease expert, just 5 days later, on Jan 31, President Trump implemented a travel ban on China. And now the liberals hold Fauci in great esteem while slamming Trump for acting too slow!

 

Then, on 15 March, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the National Institutes of Health’s infectious diseases chief, on Sunday said it’s “possible” the nation would experience a reported “worst-case scenario” of up to 1.7 million deaths from the coronavirus outbreak.

 

He later dialed that back to 100,000 – 250,000.

 

Against such contrasting opinions like that from the experts, my estimate doesn't look all that bad.

Is it any wonder Trump has a difficult time formulating a response with those sort of expert opinions?

Maybe he would have been better off doing nothing, as Obama did in 2009 with the swine flu.

[Maine farmer]

 

 

As for the experts, here is what the great Dr Fauci was saying on Jan 26:

 

“It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.

"But it's something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection."

 

There was an assumption in this quote about preparing and screening people coming in from China, which proved to be a fatal error.  We were not screening everyone who had traveled to China, except to take their temperature..

 

Congress was briefed  about  how potentially damaging covid-19 was looking on January 29, and I find it hard to believe that Trump had not received the same information as Congress, and several Congress members took it so seriously that they began to dump stock before the stock market crashed.  The worst of these offenders , in my opinion was Richard Burr, who publicly downplayed the threat while telling his connected supporters the exact opposite. 

 

I am one of those conservatives who opposes Trump for conservative reasons, but as bad as I think Trump is, those members of Congress who engaged in that sort of insider trading are far worse than Trump.

[Maine farmer]

 

 

Meanwhile, the CDC estimates between 39 million and 55 million flu illnesses, at least 400,000 hospitalizations, and as many as 63,000 deaths from flu, of which 162 are pediatric, this season. This happens every year and we don’t shut the country down and destroy the economy.

 

The economy was going to be harmed anyway.  Covid-19 is much more contagious than flu. The outbreak of covid-19 at the Smithfield meatpacking plant, for example, has infected 600 workers and forced the plant to shut down.  That never happened with flu. 

 

Perhaps if we had not spent the last century focusing on efficiency and vertical integration of all of our industries our economy  would not have proven so vulnerable.  Smaller meat packers spread out across the country would both employ more workers,and make our food systems more resilient.

[Thoth101]

 

What have you got against Pagans ? 

 

"Pagan comes from a Latin word paganus, meaning villager, rustic, civilian, and itself comes from a pāgus which refers to a small unit of land in a rural district."

 

The word is now used to mean something disaproved of

pagan

/ˈpeɪɡ(ə)n/

 

noun

 

1. a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.

   "a Muslim majority had to live in close proximity to large communities of Christians and pagans"

    

   •  

adjective

 

1. relating to pagans or their beliefs.

   "a pagan god"

 

I was being sarcastic. :rofl:  I am very aware of that and I can even consider myself more Pagan then anything if I had to place myself in a catagory. Funny story, I told my mom I was Pagan once and she flipped out because she is ignorant when it comes to these things no matter what I tell her. :lol:

[Thoth101]

Isn't everyone?  The worship of material wealth is a form of idolatry, and many Christian traditions are rooted in pagan rituals. :xmas_tree:   

That is very true. Yes the Christian religion is and I could name a few just off the top of my head besides the Christmas tree. The ironic thing is most Christians don't even see that and they will do Pagan rituals while saying they hate pagans and put them down. I seen it first hand when I was a teenager. :lol:

[Thoth101]

So, I went to the hospital today. This is a Huge hospital, capable of taking care of thousands of patients. I just went to get a two-month supply of the meds I need to take for my service-connected disabilities, mainly related to disability from severe burns.

 

This isn’t a VA hospital; thanks to President Trump, Vets now have the choice to visit other hospitals and at no charge if it is for service-connected conditions.

 

Anyway, it is Huge and normally crowded, but today it was almost empty. There were checks at the door, hand washing, masks and temperature checks, but not a problem.

 

I saw my Dr and did not have to wait at all, as the large waiting room was empty.

I asked him “How many covid patients do you have here”

He didn’t want to answer, but we are like old friends so he told me, in hushed tones ‘We have ten covid patients. One was on a ventilator for three days but he is OK now and going home soon.”

 

I just nodded and didn’t say anything.

 

At the cashier, there are many chairs and usually many people waiting. Today, there was no one else but me. I signed my papers and received my meds and was on my way.

 

On the way out I may have spotted at the most 5 or 6 other patients walking around, not covid.

 

This hospital must be losing many thousands of dollars every day.

There are NO patients!

 

I am not going to name the hospital or the city, but it is in a State not far from upstate New York.

 

So, NYC is overflowing with dead bodies and this hospital has no patients?

 

I know a Lot of people, both professionally and socially and I don’t know a single person who has or has had covid.

Not a single person with a confirmed case.  Draw your own conclusions, I have drawn mine.

At one time before Obama they would treat everything for free in the VA even if it wasn't  service connected. I thought I had polyps once so they did a colonoscopy free of charge. Now I can only go without getting charged if it is for my knee. 

 

Nurses are getting laid off that is for sure my mom is a nurse and she is laid off right now also. Like you said in my example my girlfriend went to the hospital the other day just to get a prescription and they made her wear a mask and get her temperature just to pick up a prescription at a pharmacy inside the hospital. She said there was barely any cars outside in the normally full parking lots.

 

I have heard of people saying they have Covid. But I have not heard of anybody dying of it or them knowing anybody dying of it. I thing I have drawn many of the same conclusions as you have.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Thoth101

[Maine farmer]

At one time before Obama they would treat everything for free in the VA even if it wasn't  service connected.

 

As far as I am concerned, everyone who has served in the military ought to at least have their healthcare paid for the rest of their lives.  

[Thoth101]

As far as I am concerned, everyone who has served in the military ought to at least have their healthcare paid for the rest of their lives.  

That would be nice and thanks but apparently that only goes for congress even if only served 4 years. I do suppose instead of funding trillions of dollars in wars and having all our troops around the world they could afford to give every vet healthcare for the rest of their lives. But apparently people who served congress lives are far more important then someone who was actually in a war. Should be a hashtag#CongressLivesMatter. :lol:

[exchemist]

I am hoping and predicting that Fauci is wrong, and my predictions are based on a flu model.

 

I also want the numbers to drop.

 

You seem to be annoyed about that.

 

One can only assume you want the numbers to go up.

 

As for science, you threw that out the window some time ago when you just assumed that anyone with a mild flu-like illness, yourself included,  must have had covid, absent any testing. 

 

Maybe you were once a good scientist, but now your reasoning is being overruled by the climate of fear that has been created by people like Fauci. 

So, "Whiew's the dickhid naow?", as Joss Ackland's character says in Lethal Weapon 2.  

 

My acceptance of Fauci's estimated range for the number of deaths in the US seems to be being justified by events.

 

Yours, by contrast, is already too low by a huge margin. I see no way now that the US death toll can be anything less than 80,000, and 100,000 seems quite likely once all the numbers are in. If the lockdowns are taken off too soon, we could see a second wave, to add to that.

 

Readers can draw their own conclusions about whose scientific judgement has proved to be better.

 

As for my political judgment, the orange baboon* seems to have surpassed himself:

 

""So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

 

 

*Sorry, that's, er, "President Trump" to me. According to you. Even though I'm not even a US citizen.   

Edited April 26, 2020 by exchemist

[OceanBreeze]

So, "Whiew's the dickhid naow?", as Joss Ackland's character says in Lethal Weapon 2.  

 

My acceptance of Fauci's estimated range for the number of deaths in the US seems to be being justified by events.

 

Yours, by contrast, is already too low by a huge margin. I see no way now that the US death toll can be anything less than 80,000, and 100,000 seems quite likely once all the numbers are in. If the lockdowns are taken off too soon, we could see a second wave, to add to that.

 

Readers can draw their own conclusions about whose scientific judgement has proved to be better.

 

As for my political judgment, the orange baboon* seems to have surpassed himself:

 

""So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

 

 

*Sorry, that's, er, "President Trump" to me. According to you. Even though I'm not even a US citizen.   

 

 

That’s President Orange Baboon, to you!

 

40,000 is not too low by a huge margin since I don't consider NYC to be reporting accurately:

 

Note

In accordance with new CDC guidelines:

 

New York: the numbers shown below include probable deaths (and, consequently, probable cases for the same number) as reported by New York City

Maryland: includes probable deaths, as reported by the Department of Health (Section: "COVID-19 Statistics in Maryland")

Wyoming: includes probable cases, as reported by the Department of Health

 

 

"probable cases" do not even require any testing for the virus, just for the Dr or ambulance driver to make an assumption of the death being covid related.

 

Since they started doing that, the numbers have shot upwards.

 

Now the democrats will get the 100,000 number they crave for in the hope that will help demented Joe to win in November.

[Thoth101]

That’s President Orange Baboon, to you!

 

40,000 is not too low by a huge margin since I don't consider NYC to be reporting accurately:

 

Note

In accordance with new CDC guidelines:

 

New York: the numbers shown below include probable deaths (and, consequently, probable cases for the same number) as reported by New York City

Maryland: includes probable deaths, as reported by the Department of Health (Section: "COVID-19 Statistics in Maryland")

Wyoming: includes probable cases, as reported by the Department of Health

 

 

"probable cases" do not even require any testing for the virus, just for the Dr or ambulance driver to make an assumption of the death being covid related.

 

Since they started doing that, the numbers have shot upwards.

 

Now the democrats will get the 100,000 number they crave for in the hope that will help demented Joe to win in November.

From what I have heard from nurses hospitals get extra money for labeling a death as a corona death. They may have died while having a corona in their system which many people do already. As long as there is corona in their system they can label it as a death from corona even if they didn't die from corona itself. So factor that in for numbers. What it factors down to is it is all about money and control and installing new programs into society which will take more freedoms away. Welcome to the world of Technocracy.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Thoth101

[Mutex]

From what I have heard from nurses hospitals get extra money for labeling a death as a corona death. They may have died while having a corona in their system which many people do already. As long as there is corona in their system they can label it as a death from corona even if they didn't die from corona itself. So factor that in for numbers. What it factors down to is it is all about money and control and installing new programs into society which will take more freedoms away. Welcome to the world of Technocracy.

 

No, doctors and nurses do not get extra money for reporting the type of death, enough with the conspiracy theory rubbish.. In fact a recent study has just come out that looked at the number of deaths for the same periods last year and subtracted the number of CV-19 deaths (corrected for CV death) even with the CV deaths removed many more people have died during the pandemic.

 

If you are in America, you had better wake up to yourselves, this is not a hoax, this is not a conspiracy, this is not a joke, THIS IS SERIOUS, and so far the US is failing badly in dealing with this issue..

 

At the present rate and effectiveness in dealing with CV-19 you will be no better off in a year OR TWO or more.. 

 

Conspiracy theories like this will get MILLIONS of people killed, possibly even yourself.

[Thoth101]

No, doctors and nurses do not get extra money for reporting the type of death, enough with the conspiracy theory rubbish.. In fact a recent study has just come out that looked at the number of deaths for the same periods last year and subtracted the number of CV-19 deaths (corrected for CV death) even with the CV deaths removed many more people have died during the pandemic.

 

If you are in America, you had better wake up to yourselves, this is not a hoax, this is not a conspiracy, this is not a joke, THIS IS SERIOUS, and so far the US is failing badly in dealing with this issue..

 

At the present rate and effectiveness in dealing with CV-19 you will be no better off in a year OR TWO or more.. 

 

Conspiracy theories like this will get MILLIONS of people killed, possibly even yourself.

It's not a conspiracy theory I am going by what the nurses I know tell me. I said HOSPITALS not doctors and nurses get extra money. If anything the nurses are getting laid off in many parts. I know a few of them in different parts of the US including my mom. Hospitals also get 39K for using a ventilator. The nurses I know have no point in making up stories.

 

The lock down will get hundreds of thousands of kids killed because people can't work and feed their families and the kids will die in starvation. How do you feel about that in spreading your fear porn?

Edited April 27, 2020 by Thoth101

[Mutex]

It's not a conspiracy theory I am going by what the nurses I know tell me. I said HOSPITALS not doctors and nurses get extra money. If anything the nurses are getting laid off in many parts. I know a few of them in different parts of the US including my mom. Hospitals also get 39K for using a ventilator. The nurses I know have no point in making up stories.

 

The lock down will get hundreds of thousands of kids killed because people can't work and feed their families and the kids will die in starvation. How do you feel about that in spreading your fear porn?

 

As fun as it is to screw with paranoid conspiracy theorists, I will reframe from doing that here just for you because frankly it's just not worth the bother, perhaps in time you'll grow and mature out of it, I hope so for your sake, and your peace of mind.

[Thoth101]

As fun as it is to screw with paranoid conspiracy theorists, I will reframe from doing that here just for you because frankly it's just not worth the bother, perhaps in time you'll grow and mature out of it, I hope so for your sake, and your peace of mind.

You seem to be the one that is paranoid and where was a conspiracy theory made? Are you saying the nurses are making it up? And I think you are afraid to look at what's going to happen to all the people that lost there jobs and business's gone bust. There will be far more deaths from the lockdown then the corona itself.

 

And since you bring up the topic conspiracy theory. Every well trained cop and investigator know that to solve a case you must come up with some conspiracy theories on what was most likely to happen to start to connect the dots and put the pieces together to solve a case.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Thoth101

[OceanBreeze]

So, "Whiew's the dickhid naow?", as Joss Ackland's character says in Lethal Weapon 2.  

 

My acceptance of Fauci's estimated range for the number of deaths in the US seems to be being justified by events.

 

Yours, by contrast, is already too low by a huge margin. I see no way now that the US death toll can be anything less than 80,000, and 100,000 seems quite likely once all the numbers are in. If the lockdowns are taken off too soon, we could see a second wave, to add to that.

 

Readers can draw their own conclusions about whose scientific judgement has proved to be better.

 

 

 

Looks like my estimate of 40,000 wasn’t as far off as you thought.

 

Unfortunately,  we know the number is still rising, but hopefully the trend is now downwards.

 

The number that Worldometer is using is 73,234 but that is not backed up by the CDC so bogus

 

The CDC data uses a specific code for deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1

 

Follow this link and scroll down to Table 1 and you will see the total deaths coded to COVID-19, Code U07.1 is 44,016    as of May 6, 2020

 

I can’t insert the entire table but here is part of the data:

 

CDC NCHS

 

National Vital Statistics System

 

Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020

 

Data as of May 6, 2020

 

Week ending date in which the death occurred   COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1) Total Deaths     44,016  

 

 

Note that even that number includes presumed COVID-19 deaths but at least it isn't artificially inflated as the Worldometer number is.

 

I do have to admit my number of 40,000 was too low unfortunately. I was being hopeful and nobody saw the problem with NYC coming. 

[Maine farmer]

 

 

I do have to admit my number of 40,000 was too low unfortunately. I was being hopeful and nobody saw the problem with NYC coming. 

Did anybody see the problems with meat processing plants?  Lots of bare shelves in stores, from what I've been told.  The Tyson chicken processing plant in Portland, Maine just had 20 new cases yesterday.  Those meat cutters work elbow to elbow, so if one person is a carrier, it spreads fast.

 

I am glad to have a local supply for meat and dairy.  Very local.