Shadow Government Discuss

[Vmedvil2]

This thread is for the discussion of the "Shadow Government"(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_government_(conspiracy)), What are your thoughts is the actual power in the government in the politician's and people's hands or are there other people that influence what actually happens in the world and in governments?

 

Edited March 27, 2020 by VictorMedvil

[Thoth101]

Great topic. I can get some links later this weekend when I am not at work. But I will just say what I have learned off of what I can remember off the top of my head. I have no doubt there is a few that are called the cabal, powers that be and many other names running the whole planet. A good starter of starting to connect the dots is looking at the secret societies. Then you have the banking system where the Rothschild have much control on that. You have the Medical Mafia and Education system where the Rocafellers have much control on that.

 

Those are some of the entities we can put names to. But then there are those entities we can't put names to those in the shadows which may not even be human that are the real controllers. That is just a basic understanding off the top of my head. I do have some good links to information on that once I can dig them up. But I have no doubt in my mind their is a hidden hand that controls just world. Just look at what is happening with the Corna Virus that makes it very easy to see. Look how fast they were able to get the whole world to panic and start to give up freedoms. Just like with 911 which was another planned event. Another one of their cards they play.

[Thoth101]

The Atlantean Conspiracy full book.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy.htm#Contents

 

All kinds of information and full books.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_icke.htm#Additional_Information

[Thoth101]

The money manipulation force

This Awareness indicates that the money-changers by whatever name, their force of darkness, which had controlled the economies of nations; this money manipulation force which moved from Atlantis through Egypt, Jerusalem, Israel, Babylonia, Rome, Greece, the European nations, the United States and Russia, and now has moved into the Orient; this force of economic control which did create the wars in Europe between France, Spain, England, Germany, Russia, --all of these in their time,-- this force which created colonialism, which manipulated the rise and fall of power in nations; this force which caused the assassination of Robert and John Kennedy, behind the assassination of Marthin Luther King, behind the suffering of thousands of entities, of millions of entities; this force behind the Vietnam war and now operates behind all of these smaller wars in various countries; this force which set up the Communistic revolution in Russia, all financed and manipulated by the international banking system operated through the Rothschilds, through the Rockefellers, who themselves were set up by the Rothschilds for a base in the United States; these forces and these powers who passed their information from one generation to another, who train their followers into levels of deception, fraud and the use of power against the masses of humanity: these forces are now engaged in the ultimate goal which entities throughout history have hoped to experience wherein an entity glimpses the possibility to become king of the world, and sets out to conquer the world.

This Awareness indicates in the past the opportunities for this were never so great as they are now. This Awareness indicates that these few hidden entities, (the number being 13); these 13 entities having influence over the rest of the world. Through their followers, through their families, through their interrelationship with other families in marriage and in economic ties, these entities are now moving frantically to bring about a world government. This to begin by creating a crisis which is intended to collapse the government of the United States as it has been known, is intended to destroy the Constitution and replace it with another, is intended to destroy the Bill of Rights.

This Awareness indicates these entities seeking more and more power are moving rapidly and almost unhindered in their movement toward world dictatorship. This Awareness suggests, that you take a lesson from the oriental arts rather than attempt to resist the movement of world government, but that you take this energy and hurl it further than the bankers even anticipated. That you begin pushing rapidly for world government based on concepts similar to those of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, guaranteed within that Constitution along with other rights: The right of freedom of morality so long as that morality does not harm another; and freedom of economic well-being,--this as freedom of economic livelihood, whereby food, shelter, clothing is provided regardless of what they do to earn such; that anything more may be added according to their inclination and ambition to seek such and work for such.

This Awareness indicates that this also include in this new world government of all money systems into levels of election whereby no private individual shall own any banking systems, or shall own the offices of financial controls, wherein all financial offices, all persons involved in banking and finances, be elected by the population in the same manner that a congress person is elected. This Awareness indicates that the banks be owned by the people as a form of service for the masses. The money system to be part of the action of the people.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/illuminaticonspiracy.htm

[Thoth101]

The New World Order: The Alien Connection

This Awareness indicates the New World Order is part of the alien agenda, promoted by those Greys from Orion. The purpose being to set up the world for its future inclusion in the Orion Empire. This Awareness indicates that while it is planned, it is seen that the Galactic Federation, which includes the Pleiadians and the Vegans and the Sirius groups, are all also concerned and hoping that the earth does not become part of the Orion Empire, or the Draco Federation. This Awareness indicates that they prefer to see the earth become part of the Galactic Federation. This Awareness indicates that the earth is in a particular position in the galaxy and has a special value in regard to the minerals and the water on the earth as well as the central core computer that was placed under the earth's surface by Orion overseers from the past, when they in ancient time had great control over the planet, and they wish to restart that computer, and reclaim the planet as their own in their Network."

This Awareness indicates that there has been a number of extraterrestrial cultures who have, in the past, made claim to the planet, and who have either abandoned those claims and gone elsewhere, or have lost control of their property through war or other conflicts, so that at present time there are disputes among these extraterrestrial cultures as to who really owns the earth. This Awareness indicates that it is not clearly defined, even though there are certain cultures that would have entities believe that they are the true owners of the earth:

• the Reptoids
   
  date a claim back some ten thousand years

• the Sirius
   
  groups claim to have taken control from the Reptoids

• the Pleiadians
   
  claim spiritual connections with humanity

• t
  he Vegans
   
  see the earth as not theirs but as an ally to which they wish to assist and join the struggle against tyrannies from other extraterrestrial cultures

This Awareness indicates the Orion Greys, the tall big nosed Greys, are those who claim some kind of ownership based on their having placed a computer in the subterranean levels of earth which has guided energies on earth through grid-lines and through certain forces that were used through these grid-lines and through their economic controls that have been handed down over the hundred and thousands of years that time, up till the present

The Orion Greys appear to be in a position of economic power, wherein they are more powerful economically, and thus hold control over other extraterrestrials, such as the Draconians and the Zeta Reptilians. This Awareness indicates that the small Greys or those of the Zeta Reticuli are basically mercenaries under the domination of the Draconians, the Draco Reptiles, which are subservient to the Orion Greys, even though they have greater military power and greater force. The Draconian forces have the ability to take control away from the Orion Greys, but the Orion Greys are such good managers of planets that the Draco Reptoids do not envy them of there job and therefore, let themselves be the military arm of the operation, while giving the economic and political control to the Orion Forces.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/overview.htm

[Vmedvil2]

 

The money manipulation force

This Awareness indicates that the money-changers by whatever name, their force of darkness, which had controlled the economies of nations; this money manipulation force which moved from Atlantis through Egypt, Jerusalem, Israel, Babylonia, Rome, Greece, the European nations, the United States and Russia, and now has moved into the Orient; this force of economic control which did create the wars in Europe between France, Spain, England, Germany, Russia, --all of these in their time,-- this force which created colonialism, which manipulated the rise and fall of power in nations; this force which caused the assassination of Robert and John Kennedy, behind the assassination of Marthin Luther King, behind the suffering of thousands of entities, of millions of entities; this force behind the Vietnam war and now operates behind all of these smaller wars in various countries; this force which set up the Communistic revolution in Russia, all financed and manipulated by the international banking system operated through the Rothschilds, through the Rockefellers, who themselves were set up by the Rothschilds for a base in the United States; these forces and these powers who passed their information from one generation to another, who train their followers into levels of deception, fraud and the use of power against the masses of humanity: these forces are now engaged in the ultimate goal which entities throughout history have hoped to experience wherein an entity glimpses the possibility to become king of the world, and sets out to conquer the world.

This Awareness indicates in the past the opportunities for this were never so great as they are now. This Awareness indicates that these few hidden entities, (the number being 13); these 13 entities having influence over the rest of the world. Through their followers, through their families, through their interrelationship with other families in marriage and in economic ties, these entities are now moving frantically to bring about a world government. This to begin by creating a crisis which is intended to collapse the government of the United States as it has been known, is intended to destroy the Constitution and replace it with another, is intended to destroy the Bill of Rights.

This Awareness indicates these entities seeking more and more power are moving rapidly and almost unhindered in their movement toward world dictatorship. This Awareness suggests, that you take a lesson from the oriental arts rather than attempt to resist the movement of world government, but that you take this energy and hurl it further than the bankers even anticipated. That you begin pushing rapidly for world government based on concepts similar to those of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, guaranteed within that Constitution along with other rights: The right of freedom of morality so long as that morality does not harm another; and freedom of economic well-being,--this as freedom of economic livelihood, whereby food, shelter, clothing is provided regardless of what they do to earn such; that anything more may be added according to their inclination and ambition to seek such and work for such.

This Awareness indicates that this also include in this new world government of all money systems into levels of election whereby no private individual shall own any banking systems, or shall own the offices of financial controls, wherein all financial offices, all persons involved in banking and finances, be elected by the population in the same manner that a congress person is elected. This Awareness indicates that the banks be owned by the people as a form of service for the masses. The money system to be part of the action of the people.

 

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/illuminaticonspiracy.htm

 

Now I believe this part

 

 

The New World Order: The Alien Connection

 

This Awareness indicates the New World Order is part of the alien agenda, promoted by those Greys from Orion. The purpose being to set up the world for its future inclusion in the Orion Empire. This Awareness indicates that while it is planned, it is seen that the Galactic Federation, which includes the Pleiadians and the Vegans and the Sirius groups, are all also concerned and hoping that the earth does not become part of the Orion Empire, or the Draco Federation. This Awareness indicates that they prefer to see the earth become part of the Galactic Federation. This Awareness indicates that the earth is in a particular position in the galaxy and has a special value in regard to the minerals and the water on the earth as well as the central core computer that was placed under the earth's surface by Orion overseers from the past, when they in ancient time had great control over the planet, and they wish to restart that computer, and reclaim the planet as their own in their Network."

 

This Awareness indicates that there has been a number of extraterrestrial cultures who have, in the past, made claim to the planet, and who have either abandoned those claims and gone elsewhere, or have lost control of their property through war or other conflicts, so that at present time there are disputes among these extraterrestrial cultures as to who really owns the earth. This Awareness indicates that it is not clearly defined, even though there are certain cultures that would have entities believe that they are the true owners of the earth:

• the Reptoids
   date a claim back some ten thousand years

• the Sirius
   groups claim to have taken control from the Reptoids

• the Pleiadians
   claim spiritual connections with humanity

• t
  he Vegans
   see the earth as not theirs but as an ally to which they wish to assist and join the struggle against tyrannies from other extraterrestrial cultures

This Awareness indicates the Orion Greys, the tall big nosed Greys, are those who claim some kind of ownership based on their having placed a computer in the subterranean levels of earth which has guided energies on earth through grid-lines and through certain forces that were used through these grid-lines and through their economic controls that have been handed down over the hundred and thousands of years that time, up till the present

 

The Orion Greys appear to be in a position of economic power, wherein they are more powerful economically, and thus hold control over other extraterrestrials, such as the Draconians and the Zeta Reptilians. This Awareness indicates that the small Greys or those of the Zeta Reticuli are basically mercenaries under the domination of the Draconians, the Draco Reptiles, which are subservient to the Orion Greys, even though they have greater military power and greater force. The Draconian forces have the ability to take control away from the Orion Greys, but the Orion Greys are such good managers of planets that the Draco Reptoids do not envy them of there job and therefore, let themselves be the military arm of the operation, while giving the economic and political control to the Orion Forces.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/overview.htm

 

I don't believe this.

[Vmedvil2]

Thoth might be believing every thing he reads, or not understanding the possible symbolism behind some of the (apparent to some) nonsense. 

 

Religions especially the old testament based ones are expansionist and would like to spread there utopian ideas to the rest of world. Islam Christianity (Judaism) etc.

 

There is a religion, likely as old as the old testament religions, which anyone can become a member of, as long as you follow a religion, and believe in a god. The ultimate aim of this religion is the same as the other equally old old testament based religions. This religion as we all know is freemasonry, it claims to be a benign society operating in different institutions around the world, but with secrets. One of their aims is to have a one world government, ie an empire controlled by them, even if they do not occupy every position in said world government. If you dont follow instructions they will kill. President Lincoln,  and Kennedy might have been their victims. 

 

It is thought that the skull and cross bones is of John the Baptist who at least one faction (splitting of the tree 1300 ish, a lot of them killed each other) believe to have been the savior/prophet instead of the mythical Jesus who left no bones or historical trace on the planet. 

 

33rd degree Scottish Rite grand master Albert Pike wrote about the masons aims and their ambitions. They are to make the world a better place by subduing the human race through religion and a belief in god. What they think this god might be, is a curiosity. 

 

If members of governments positions are full of masons, who have an allegiance to a secret brother hood over their countries, what mischief smoke and mirrors could they get up to? Trump and Putin could have a laugh   , perhaps even helping each other get elected and coming up with mutual policies they could agree on  . They might be able to police/control the world together  :shocked:

 

We have NATO, which attempts to police the world, the IMF and G12 that attempts to control the worlds money supply. Do we not already have a world government ?

We do already have a world government it is called the U.N. and the Bilderberg  which has ties into every nation on earth, the Bilderberg is basically the shadow government of the U.N., so yes it already exists in many ways.

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by VictorMedvil

[Thoth101]

Now I believe this part

 

I don't believe this.

The latter part is something you don't hear everyday so I don't blame you for not believing it. But do consider it and do some of your own research on it.

[Thoth101]

Thoth might be believing every thing he reads, or not understanding the possible symbolism behind some of the (apparent to some) nonsense. 

 

Religions especially the old testament based ones are expansionist and would like to spread there utopian ideas to the rest of world. Islam Christianity (Judaism) etc.

 

There is a religion, likely as old as the old testament religions, which anyone can become a member of, as long as you follow a religion, and believe in a god. The ultimate aim of this religion is the same as the other equally old old testament based religions. This religion as we all know is freemasonry, it claims to be a benign society operating in different institutions around the world, but with secrets. One of their aims is to have a one world government, ie an empire controlled by them, even if they do not occupy every position in said world government. If you dont follow instructions they will kill. President Lincoln,  and Kennedy might have been their victims. 

 

It is thought that the skull and cross bones is of John the Baptist who at least one faction (splitting of the tree 1300 ish, a lot of them killed each other) believe to have been the savior/prophet instead of the mythical Jesus who left no bones or historical trace on the planet. 

 

33rd degree Scottish Rite grand master Albert Pike wrote about the masons aims and their ambitions. They are to make the world a better place by subduing the human race through religion and a belief in god. What they think this god might be, is a curiosity. 

 

If members of governments positions are full of masons, who have an allegiance to a secret brother hood over their countries, what mischief smoke and mirrors could they get up to? Trump and Putin could have a laugh   , perhaps even helping each other get elected and coming up with mutual policies they could agree on  . They might be able to police/control the world together  :shocked:

 

We have NATO, which attempts to police the world, the IMF and G12 that attempts to control the worlds money supply. Do we not already have a world government ?

You make some good points. Just know there is a lot that we don't know and I don't believe everything I read. We also have to understand as humans we don't know everything and there may be more going on then we are aware of. Just because we are not aware of something that don't make it not a possibility. We have to remember we have been lied to all our lives by institutions. That information comes from a channeled awareness called Cosmic Awareness. Sure it could we wrong information but I have been reading Cosmic Awareness information since 2008 and it has been doing readings since 1979. It has proved to be very valid. It even goes over the Jesus myth and how it was created.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/master_file/jesusmyth.htm

[Thoth101]

We do already have a world government it is called the U.N. and the Bilderberg  which has ties into every nation on earth, the Bilderberg is basically the shadow government of the U.N., so yes it already exists in many ways.

 

On one level yes for sure. Though I think it even goes deeper into the ones we don't see. The ones at the very top of the pyramid of power and control.

[Thoth101]

Correct.

 

They do advise governments. However governments can decide to do their own thing. If governments choose not to follow advice, what influence can the Bilderberg group take. Obviously the UN has the military, made up from many nations. 

 

The bildergroup is occupied by probable high ranking masons, many of whom are royalty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants King Juan Carlos of Spain has many titles, he had when he was alive a title king of Jerusalem, which made him top dog. The Bilderberg group was formed after the 2nd world war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_meeting. Go figure mainly unelected people, control/influence the worlds politics. I assume they have their own agendas. But what degree of influence do they really have? 

 

"The group's original goal of promoting Atlanticism, of strengthening U.S.–European relations and preventing another world war has grown; according to Andrew Kakabadse the Bilderberg Group's theme is to "bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe".^[1] In 2001, Denis Healey, a Bilderberg group founder and a steering committee member for 30 years, said, "To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."^[12]

According to the web page of the group, the meetings are conducted under the Chatham House Rule, allowing the participants to use any information they gained during the meeting, but not to disclose the names of the speakers or any other participants. According to former chairman Étienne Davignon in 2011, a major attraction of Bilderberg group meetings is that they provide an opportunity for participants to speak and debate candidly and to find out what major figures really think, without the risk of off-the-cuff comments becoming fodder for controversy in the media.^[13] A 2008 press release from the "American Friends of Bilderberg" stated that "Bilderberg's only activity is its annual Conference and that at the meetings, no resolutions were proposed, no votes taken, and no policy statements issued."^[14] However, in November 2009, the group hosted a dinner meeting at the Château of Val-Duchesse in Brussels outside its annual conference to promote the candidacy of Herman Van Rompuy for President of the European Council.^[15]

The Bilderberg meetings are also unofficially called the "Bilderberg Group", "Bilderberg conference" or "Bilderberg Club"."

 

If they can influence who are candidates for the top jobs at the highest levels, they are effectively in charge. 

 

If political persuasion fails at the highest level, and a country steps out of line, with their plans for the human race, (eugenics maybe) what can they do.

 

If individuals of a country are privy to their countries secrets or plans, and they share them with other members from other countries, is it not treason, unless it is done by well meaning well connected **** wits royalty and cheating lying bastards politicians. They could agree to betray one group they had previously supported in favor of another to gain influence else where in the world. Why support a minority group in a battle they could never win without massive support, and destabilise a part of the world, like Syria for instance. Removing support will bring the conflict to an end faster, and you do not get blood on your hands.

 

The one world government according to Albert Pike is one of the aims of the free masons! Like you say we may already have one, hidden behind the smoke and mirrors of politics. If the smoke and mirrors is maintained for the mob/general public, and we are moving slowly in the direction wanted by a hidden governments to closer unity, why should we bother, unless we lose freedoms. 

Don't forget about the Jesuits and the Catholic Church have an enormous amount of power. Not so much over as many people anymore but they have the money.

[Thoth101]

Those providing the more lunatic sounding information may be deliberately obfuscating the truth. Much in religion and masonic circles is symbolic and should not be taken literally.

 

Along the lines of a universal interconnected consciousness, which is accepted by many, with NO solid scientific support. If we were to believe in all this channeled information by the great white brotherhood, who obtain their information/instructions from ghosties who control/guide the human race. Then why would you believe that they are not misinforming people to prevent them getting to the truth. Perhaps you have good ghosties/spirits providing information and bad ghosties/spirits providing misinformation. OR maybe some of the people doing the channeling are mad.

 

Channeling is inherently unreliable, different channelers give different stories. With one paragraph your link correctly talks about the jesus myth, then in the final paragraph from your own link " the entity that contributed to the composite known as Jesus went westward, while another entity who contributed to the composite known as Jesus went eastward. This Awareness indicates there were of course, still others. This Awareness indicates that in attempting to discuss the story of Jesus in a traditional way opens a Pandora's Box of discrepancies, when you approach or seek the truth of the matter, because the Jesus of the Bible, being a composite of many different entities, or several different entities, is not the true story."

 

The link is full of contradictions, and can not be regarded as evidence for anything.  The only way you could attach validity to it, is if you were to state there was more than one jesus figure living at different times in different locations. Jesus is a popular name in Spanish speaking countries. Not all of Jesus's are saints, some live in prisons :)

That is your opinion and yes much channeled material may not be reliable. I have over the years to find Cosmic Awareness to be the most reliable information I have ever had and do have. But you are welcome to your opinion. I suggest reading a little more Cosmic Awareness before you make your mind. It seems you are judging something without even reading much of it. Where is the contradiction in Jesus being a composite of many entities? The Jesus story is quite the Pandora's box for sure. Many researchers have validated this in studying the Jesus story. It is evident the Bible Jesus never existed. That is what Cosmic Awareness is saying. Do you think the Bible Jesus actually existed?

Edited April 1, 2020 by Thoth101

[Thoth101]

Religion is like a hand reaching out from the past, stopping the human race moving forward. The Catholic church, serves the same purpose as does Islam or any other religion. According to Albert Pike, it is "to subjugate the human mind and soul". 

Yes I totally agree with that. Not sure why you think I think any different about it. Religion is one of the biggest mind control thought patterns on this Earth.

[Thoth101]

The Jesus myth is a well known historically researched subject not requiring channeling or cosmic awareness :) You may be clouding the picture, by using unreliable sources, when reliable sources are available. No I do not believe the bible Jesus ever existed.

 

Why would I need to read more about a subject if I already know about it ?   What makes you think I have not read about it already and have met people on my travels who claim do it. They have told me of its inherent unreliability, and how they try and make it more reliable by discounting stuff that doesnt agree with what others have channeled on the same subject, ie it is a unreliable source of information.

 

As was pointed out by Victor above we already have a world government of sorts, behind all the smoke and mirrors. The various religions exercise influence across political borders, this is not some conspiracy, it is how the world works.

 

The fact that a minority of people, understand religion has caused many problems in the world, does not stop the majority of the people following the religous nonsense.  Its not a conspiracy or mystery its how the world works.   

 

The subject of consciousness I find an interesting subject, I might take up meditation to kill time during the corona virus lock down. Perhaps I will channel what is happening with my family in the UK, probably using broadband and skype. :)

The date that came out was pretty long ago about the Jesus myth. It was either produced in 80s or 90s by Cosmic Awareness Communications. If you read that whole Cosmic Awareness link it points a book by "Loyd Graham" titled "Deceptions and Myths in the Bible". I have most of the Cosmic Awareness readings that go back to 1979. Be as it may be back when I was pondering if I was still a Christian or not in my middle 20's. I began researching Jesus and one of the first things I found was Cosmic Awareness about the Jesus Myth and whatever you believe in it or not it did help me to see past the mind control of religion. I was brought up as a Christian little on up. I finally started asking questions about it. But yes much great research on it such as in David Icke books. The late Acharya S who sadly passed on a few years ago. Have you ever read the book "Greatest Story ever Sold"? But sure I am sure many as far back as 2,000 years ago there were entities saying Jesus didn't exist. The fact of the matter is though we still have billions of people believing there was a literal Jesus and even some mainstream scientists and historians believe that.

 

Well yes and anybody can do channeling themselves. You yourself can even tap into the Cosmic Awareness. I am sure it will take a bit of practice but it is available to anybody. Although it is quite evident that the governments and CIA type entities know that channeling can be done. Which is why they will put out false channels and false entities you tap into that will give you bad information. There is one other Channel I found to be pretty good. Have you ever heard of "The Law of One"? I know many channelers have started off by learning how to read the Tarot Cards. So that may be a good place to start for you.

 

I totally agree with you on religion and it even effected me at one time. But I continue to research and dive deeper into the rabbit hole and learn new things. Once you know how the game is played you will not be duped so often. The big thing is to always ask questions and believe and disbelieve at the same time until you know one hundred percent what is true.

Edited April 2, 2020 by Thoth101