HouseKnight1 Posted May 7, 2020 Report Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) In terms of international law, Israel has the right to annex the Jordan Valley. On what basis?UN Security Council resolution 242, adopted shortly after the Six-Day War, proclaimed Israel’s right to “safe and recognized borders.” Then, and even more so today, it is obvious that only the border along the Jordan River can become the «security border» of Israel. Why?For many decades, the border on the Jordan river was a military front, a place where the armies of the Arab states hostile to us concentrated their troops, conducted shelling, and terrorist attacks. Fortifications on this front exist to this day.Therefore, in pursuance of Security Council resolution No. 242, the state of Israel de facto included the Jordan Valley in the system of military settlements, in accordance with the so-called Alon plan (1969). It is no coincidence that both peace initiatives, of Obama and Trump, proposed the preservation of Israeli control over the Jordan Valley.And finally, the Jordan Valley is part of the so-called “zone C”, which under the Oslo treaty will remain under Israeli control until the signing of the “final” peace. The fact that the Palestinians withdrew from the Oslo Treaty does not change the essence of the matter. According to international laws, the border between states is recognized as legal if both parties once agreed mutually and signed a delineation agreement.……………… ..It would seem that after the signing of the Oslo agreements and the peace treaty with Jordan, the front on the Jordan River became unnecessary. But indeed it is not. Why?I will not particularly emphasize that the peace with Jordan turned out to be very cold. Most of the country’s population, Muslims, including Palestinians, are still hostile to the Jewish state. The Islamic party Hamas, or rather its Jordanian branch, is very influential.During the Arab Spring, the throne of King Abdullah staggered. If there was democracy in Jordan, then most likely the Islamists would come to power. In this case, the peace treaty will turn into a scrap of paper, and Israel should always be ready for such an event.…………….And yet this is not the main thing. Over the quarter-century that has passed since the Oslo Accords, it has become obvious that the real state of Palestine, created in accordance with the Oslo Accords and with the consent of Israel, poses a mortal threat to us.The Palestinians refused to abide the Oslo Accords and unleashed a war of annihilation against us, which the international community is encouraging and financing. Without external support and, most importantly, financing, the Palestinian state would not have lasted a day. In essence, the entire anti-Semitic world is waging warfare for the destruction of the Jewish state at the hands of Palestinians.It is enough to look at Gaza to understand that the withdrawal of the Israel Defense Forces from the West Bank threatens us with systematic massive shelling of the entire territory of Israel. The international community has done nothing to put an end to shelling from Gaza. There is no reason to believe that in the event of shelling from the West Bank, this community will behave differently.Instead of establishing control over their violent offspring which is the state of Palestine, the UN, Europe and most of the states of the world demand that we withdraw troops from the West Bank and stop the «blockade» of Gaza, that is, stop restraining those who openly threaten to kill us, destroy us, that are shelling, arming and training, preparing for war to destroy Israel.By the way, such behavior of the international community is contrary to international law, which provides for the right of states to self-defense, including the occupation of enemy territory and the blockade, if this helps to restrain the aggressor.Hamas and all our enemies are building their plan to destroy Israel precisely on the behavior of the international community towards the Jewish state. The unpunished massive, ongoing shelling of the entire territory of Israel will lead to the mass exodus of Jews and a change in the demographic balance between Israel and Palestine. After that, our powerful enemies will declare Israel “apartheid,” as Barack Obama did, apply economic and other sanctions, and eliminate us as an independent state. For this, a «hot» war will not be needed.This way, the enemies are going to destroy the Jewish state, and their calculation is quite realistic. We must disrupt this plan and protect ourselves from shelling from the West Bank, at all costs. For the sake of this, you can even go to a conflict with the UN, Europe, and the US president, if he follows the anti-Israel path.In Gaza, Ehud Olmert made a mistake by passing control of the Gaza-Egypt border into Palestinian hands. That is why the “blockade” of Gaza has been ineffective. And most importantly, Sharon and Olmert did not at all foresee the possibility of “sheltering” Palestinian terrorists by the rulers of the World Village and the UN. Today we are paying for these mistakes.A repeated mistake with the border on the Jordan River will cost our lives. Therefore, no matter what they say in Europe, no matter how to threaten by sanctions and other punishments, the Israeli government must do what is absolutely necessary to save the Jewish state: to maintain control over the Jordan Valley for many decades. After the next Holocaust, it will be too late to appeal to the conscience of Europeans or someone else.………………In order to deter the enemy, we must occupy the West Bank until the Palestinian people turn ready for peace. But you can’t count on peace in the coming decades. What peace can there be if Palestine tells its children that Israel must be destroyed? What can be the peace if the Palestinian people live on the money given them for fighting against the Jewish state?Instead of judging war criminals from Hamas, the International Court of Justice is investigating our self-defense measures against Hamas, and in the process “interprets” international laws directly back to their original and literal meaning. Especially for us, new rules have been invented.Our deputy prime minister, Beni Ganz, may fall prey to these «special laws.» He will have to prepare well for the trial in The Hague, and first of all to study the Geneva Convention in the original, as well as the rules that were invented specifically for Israel.………………As for European threats and sanctions, we need to behave like a smart man with a grumpy wife: listen carefully to do the opposite. What the Europeans are imposing on us is always dangerous for us and for the future peace with the Palestinians. When we fulfill the requirements of Europe, this leads to a new round of war for the destruction of Israel. The same goes for the UN. But still…We are not indifferent to the opinion of the people of America. Today, Trump, perhaps, recognizes the annexation of the Jordan Valley by Israel. Congress, where the majority are democrats, may not recognize. Most importantly, Joe Biden, Obama’s former vice president, and the probable future president can turn the wheel back. He already expressed his disagreement with the intended annexation.Given our international position, I put forward a proposed alternative to annexation. What matters is not the formal declaration of sovereignty, but the continuation of actual, primarily military control over zone “C”.……………… ..Here we must again recall that international law considers legal that line of demarcation between states that both parties have agreed mutually. If there were more than one agreement, then the line established as a result of the last agreement is considered legal.In our “case” with Palestine, the last demarcation agreement is the Wye Plantation Agreement, which was signed by Benjamin Netanyahu and Yasser Arafat in 1998. Israel did not break the treaty. The Palestinians tore it up, but from the point of view of international law, the border established then remained legal. That is, the demarcation line established by the Wye Plantation Treaty is the only legitimate demarcation line between Israel and Palestine. This is what the law says.This line includes all the Jewish settlements of Judea and Samaria that exist today and the entire Jordan Valley.……………My suggestion is that the government of Israel recognizes the real, hostile state of Palestine. The border with this state will be established through the Wye Plantation agreement line.We do not need to annex what belongs to us under the treaty. The ugly word «annexation», which causes irritation throughout the world, will be excluded from use. Instead of annexation, we will unilaterally implement the Oslo peace treaty without compromising our security.Since the state of Palestine is waging a very real war against us and refuses to establish peace, we must declare war on this state. Thus, we will receive the legal right to continue the occupation of the territory of this hostile state, since this is necessary as a countermeasure against terror and aggression.Speaking of occupation, I do not mean the territory of “Zone C”, which belongs to us under the Wye Plantation Treaty (the state cannot occupy its own territory), but the territory of the state of Palestine inside the “Wye Plantation Line”, that is, zones A and B.Perhaps if the security situation allows this, we will withdraw the IDF from Palestine (that is, from zone A and :cool:. Control over the Jordan Valley and entire Zone C, which I call Judea and Samaria, may be sufficient to prevent the situation from getting out of hand, as happened in Gaza. And if not, we will have to restore the occupation of Palestine, depending on the situation.…………… ..So, our task is to make the Wye Plantation border a physical obstacle between the state of Israel and the state of Palestine. For example, to build wire fences that our enemies dubbed the “apartheid wall”. Move to this border the border passes, which for some reason are now located near the nonexistent line of 1949.And to offer Israeli citizenship to all residents of the «zone C», Jews and Arabs. It may be worthwhile to attract the Arab parties of Israel, who will not refuse to increase the number of their voters. The government of a solid Jewish majority will be able to do what the probable coalition of traitors was unable to implement. The government of national unity does not depend on the mandates of national minorities, and therefore is not available for blackmail.………………I have no doubt that no matter what we do to ensure our security and, in the future, peace, the anti-Semitic rulers of the World Village will arrange for us witch hunts, de-legitimation, and defamation. If we implement our bold plan, the UN and its International Court of Justice will persecute us with even greater frenzy, and the European Union will introduce new sanctions. I do not rule out pressure from the American Democrats and their future president.But this is the case when you can’t give up. We must move towards our future, fulfilling our plans, and at the same time not give anti-Semites a pretext to discredit the Jewish state. We are not aggressors nor criminals. We must strictly abide by the laws. Our actions must be rational and at the same time justified from a moral and legal point of view.……………So, instead of the noisy annexation of the Jordan Valley, I propose to actually unilaterally fulfill the agreements that we have concluded with Palestine, namely: recognize the independent state of Palestine and secure control over the so-called zone C (that is, Judea and Samaria, including the Jordan Valley). We do not need to proclaim any additional annexation. The agreement has long been signed and must be implemented.In this way, we will protect our security and will not rise to a conflict with world public opinion and with the public opinion of the United States, Europe, and all other democratic countries. Then the barking of the UN, and even the sanctions of the European Union, will not harm us.……………In any case, since we are joining some territory, all the inhabitants of this territory become “ours,” that is, they receive Israeli citizenship. I think they will not refuse.Let’s recall, when Lieberman offered to give Umm al-Fahm to Palestine, its residents staged mass demonstrations against this proposal. It can be understood: they are afraid that if Israel is destroyed, as they are promised, they will be accused of betraying Islam and Arabs. The consequences will be the most severe. And on the other hand, they do not want to be victims of the war against Israel.Therefore, in words, they are for Palestine but do not want to live in Palestine. Palestinians feel better in Israel. I think that if a referendum is held in Palestine today, the majority will vote to join Israel.The question is whether we need millions of fellow citizens who want to turn Israel into a non-Jewish state. We better recognize Palestinian independence and remain a Jewish state. If they want to work in Israel, please, we can pay a good salary.…………….In general, our war with the Palestinians continues because our powerful enemies pay the Palestinians for fighting against Israel. Due to their support and for their money Hamas shells us and forces us to block Gaza. Hamas does not want the people of Gaza to work in Israel. They need a population that is dying of hunger and submits to Hamas. This is their policy.Their goal is at all costs to continue the war for the destruction of Israel. «Someone» promised the Palestinians to help in the destruction of Israel, and these are not only Islamists but also globalists, the «elites» of Europe, and part of the «elites» of the United States. And Iran, Turkish Islamists, anti-Semites in Russia, the «left», in short, all the anti-Semites of the planet, and this is a powerful force.In exchange for war, the Palestinians demand money for maintenance and receive it. Palestinians are contractors of anti-Semites. “The help” to Palestine is the cause of the ongoing conflict. To make peace real, the Palestinian people must receive money not for war, but for work.http://aaronblog.co/2020/05/to-be-or-not-to-be-that-is-the-question/ Edited May 12, 2020 by HouseKnight1 Quote
montgomery Posted June 17, 2020 Report Posted June 17, 2020 HouseKnight1, your assertions are all onesided because you fail to take into account the question of which side fired the first shot. That is, not literally but rhetorically speaking.There is absolutely no doubt that the first shot was fired by the United Nations. Here's my point to debate: Israel isn't a legitimate state because the land it occupies belongs to others. Only force will bring peace and that force will be met with violence against Israel. Israel was a failed experiment and so any force used against Jewish occupiers is legitimate and warranted. Is there a solution short of returning all the land back to it's rightful owners? I would say there is but it requires a huge adjustment in the attitudes of the Israeli occupiers. And then why do we care? Because the Israeli regime could be the one that starts a 3rd. world war that would almost certainly be nuclear war. I will suggest that it's America's interests in the ME that is the reason why it upholds and supports the Israeli regime. Both China and Russia are back in the ME with their interests too and they won't be dissauded by America. China and Russia will continue to win the sympathies of more than just Iran and Syria. Iraq and Afghanistan are up for grabs next. Quote
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