alfa015 Posted July 4, 2020 Report Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) Hi everybody, I would like to share with you a crewed interstellar spacecraft which I have designed and called Solar One. It employs a combination of 3 propulsion methods: nuclear fusion, beam-powered propulsion , and photon propulsion. Basically, several compact fusion reactors power a laser system that propels a huge light sail. Physicist Robert Forward already proposed in 1983 to use a 26-TW laser system to propel a 100-km light sail, a fresnel lens to focus the beam of the laser, and decelerate the spacecraft with a secondary light sail. I propose something a bit different, which is to use to use for example a 60 TW-laser to propel a 5-km light sail that would deploy from the spacecraft after the acceleration stage, use parabolic mirrors that gradually change their orientation in order to focus the laser beam, and finally use a photon rocket to decelerate the spacecraft. In theory, it could be possible to achieve 25% the speed of light, reaching the closest potentially habitable exoplanet in less than 20 years. There are of course many challenges, like building high-energy continuous-wave lasers, reducing the weight of the nuclear fusion reactors (and of course achieving effective nuclear fusion first), and minimizing the effects of zero gravity during such a long trip. What do you guys suggest to overcome these challenges? This is my paper and a short video that summarizes all. [MEDIA=youtube] [/MEDIA] Edited July 6, 2020 by alfa015 Thoth101 1 Quote
Vmedvil2 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Posted July 19, 2020 (edited) up Hi everybody, I would like to share with you a crewed interstellar spacecraft which I have designed and called Solar One. It employs a combination of 3 propulsion methods: nuclear fusion, beam-powered propulsion , and photon propulsion. Basically, several compact fusion reactors power a laser system that propels a huge light sail. Physicist Robert Forward already proposed in 1983 to use a 26-TW laser system to propel a 100-km light sail, a fresnel lens to focus the beam of the laser, and decelerate the spacecraft with a secondary light sail. I propose something a bit different, which is to use to use for example a 60 TW-laser to propel a 5-km light sail that would deploy from the spacecraft after the acceleration stage, use parabolic mirrors that gradually change their orientation in order to focus the laser beam, and finally use a photon rocket to decelerate the spacecraft. In theory, it could be possible to achieve 25% the speed of light, reaching the closest potentially habitable exoplanet in less than 20 years. There are of course many challenges, like building high-energy continuous-wave lasers, reducing the weight of the nuclear fusion reactors (and of course achieving effective nuclear fusion first), and minimizing the effects of zero gravity during such a long trip. What do you guys suggest to overcome these challenges? This is my paper and a short video that summarizes all. [MEDIA=youtube] [/MEDIA]I am going to point out one major issue with this, why would you use fusion to power lasers when you could just use plasma thrusters or ion thrusters? I have issues with light sail technology as it is horribly inefficient. You don't seem to understand in terms of instellar propulsion 26 Terawatts is like nothing and still generating that amount of energy in fusion reactors would be troublesome. You would be better off detonating a neutron bomb or Cobalt bomb behind the spacecraft then having your sails pushed by the pressure of neutron radiation or gamma electromagnetic radiation, using antimatter you could achieve gamma radiation releases comparable to a Cobalt bomb, however fusion would not be the way to go for electromagnetic radiation sources. In the example of the cobalt bomb would generate 5.1045*1015 Joules of energy being 2000x more powerful than a 26 Terawatt laser in the form of electromagnetic radiation, a fusion reactor burning at 5 gigawatts which is comparable to a modern nuclear fission plant would take around 5000 seconds to recharge your 26 terawatt laser for a 1 second burst of the laser. Do you start to see the issue with using a laser to move your spacecraft? Basically, I have fixed your design just detonate Cobalt Bombs behind the sail opposite the direction you want to go. Edited July 19, 2020 by VictorMedvil Quote
Thoth101 Posted July 20, 2020 Report Posted July 20, 2020 I seen this in another forum. Maybe this might help: It was found that the asymmetric vibrations of the object in homogeneous - liquid and gaseous media lead to the formation of a wave medium in which two oppositely directed waves of different forces, made alternately, exist simultaneously by inertia and create a pressure difference leading to uneven the release of thermal energy from the environment in the form of a vortex, pushing the object. Such an experiment is easy to repeat at home. It is necessary to lower the palm into the water and make a quick movement in one direction and slow in the other. During the reverse movement, the resistance of the water will be greater due to the energy released from the water. A series of experiments was performed in which a vibromotor that simulates the vibrations of an atom during movement was set on a float, discoid and sickle-shaped wing. Fluctuations with the help of an engine set the float in motion, and the lift of the wing in the oncoming flow increased significantly due to the formation of acoustic waves. In the near future, this principle can be used to create reusable spacecraft having high maneuverability when entering the atmosphere and capable of making a controlled landing anywhere in the world through the use of an electric motor. https://youtu.be/IyzIT2atqw0 Flying saucer is a reusable air / underwater / spacecraft. The motor used on it is a movable discoid sail, driven by high-frequency electromagnetic inertial propulsion drive. With the help of the wing, the inertial propulsion drive perceives the resistance of the environment and the apparatus comes in forward motion. Thus, the flying saucer uses the principle of movement of birds, fish and other species of creatures moving in a homogeneous environment. This principle is possible in virtually any environment capable of providing resistance in which waves can be created and reflected. This allows you to effectively use the resistance of the environment due to its inertness. For example, an airplane for the most part simply overcomes air resistance, leaving behind it an air whirlwind that lasts some time by inertia. The vortex contains energy that is not used at all. A bird creating a whirlwind with a wing wave receives back some of the energy spent on it in the form of wind, which pushes it. Thus, the bird is more efficient than the aircraft. But it is technically difficult to create a powerful and fast apparatus in the form of a bird or fish. Such designs have a large number of moving parts that do not withstand the load on friction and vibration, if you install a powerful engine on them. Unlike the ornithopter wing, the wing of the flying saucer will be able to vibrate with high frequency and low amplitude, like the membrane of an acoustic speaker. This can be achieved through the use in the design of the electromagnetic drive of the wing. The suspension of the wing on a magnetic cushion will allow you to realize greater power and frequency of oscillation with a low mechanical load. The work of the wing in the air or water can be described as follows. The wing makes a fast ascending impulse, as a result of which a shock wave is formed above it, and the flying saucer begins to be drawn into the region of reduced pressure formed behind it. An annular vortex is formed under the wing, which follows it by inertia. Then the wing begins to make a reverse movement downward at low speed, and the flying saucer pushes off from the whirlwind, which catches up with it, carrying it upwards. In space, a flying saucer can receive acceleration with the help of a wing in the form of a photon mirror and sail. The presence of an electron gun on board will allow the use of the wing and as a mirror of an electric sailing antenna. But unlike conventional ships that use the power of the solar wind to move in space, you can speed up flying not only by determining the pressure of the particles, but also by pushing them away. Inertial propulsion drive works much more efficiently when there is constant resistance on one side and there is no resistance in the direction of motion. Despite the fact that the solar wind has a very low density, and in it the work of the wing will not be as effective as air or water, the pressure on it of light from only one side will allow the inertia to repel in the direction of the wind and at an angle. Thanks to this, the flying saucer will be able to accelerate and maneuver more effectively than ordinary space sailing ships. It is assumed that it is possible to generate electromagnetic waves in the direction of motion and to perceive their pressure using a sail, which corresponds to the model of motion of the apparatus in a liquid and gaseous medium. The theory of motion of a flying saucer in a liquid and gaseous medium.Imagine that the atoms or molecules of a liquid or gas that are as close as possible to each other as a result of compression. The only possible position in which they can be equidistant is triangles, which are combined into hexagons. This corresponds to the crystal structure of water. Atom 1 gets a boost. Suppose that atoms move along the path of least resistance, as the arrows indicate. If these are billiard balls, then each time the impulse 1 will be divided by 3 and will lose power. But if these are atoms or molecules that oscillate, then each time during a collision, the pulse energy will increase, because the vibrating object itself creates a repulsion impulse.Due to the repulsion of atoms, a chain reaction will occur, which will first lead to the formation of multiple vortices, the prerequisites for which are in the figure, turning into large vortices. The plate converts the force of the vortex into motion. Thus, the driving force of the saucer is air resistance.Therefore, the energy that drives the flying saucer is taken from the environment . Birdplane. Antigravity aircraftBirdplane is an aircraft, which is a simplified version of a flying saucer. It uses the principle of bird movement. On the picture painted what it looks like on the example of bird flight and jellyfish movement. In reality, it has a more complex wavelike view. I simplified it to asymmetric vibrations. Based on this, the aerodynamics of bird flight, and the motion of the jellyfish are as follows: first, a vortex is generated from the environment, having a greater density and mass than the environment, and then it is thrown backwards as jet fuel.https://youtu.be/aCAFfisXYa4 The lifting force of the wing in accordance with new ideas about the whirlwind. Based on the theory of movement of a flying saucer and experiments conducted to confirm it, as well as the pattern of wing flow observed in a viscous fluid, it can be argued that the lifting force is formed as a result of the forces of intermolecular repulsion and attraction (short-range and long-range) and is equal to them. That is, the lifting force is equal to the thermal energy released from the air.The figure shows the motion of the boundary layer in a viscous fluid. Viscosity increases the thickness of the layer and allows you to consider the process in detail. First, it must be borne in mind that the flow process is not constant, but rhythmic. The forces of attraction and repulsion prevail alternately, gradually reaching minima and maxima, which we observe as turbulence. This rhythm leads to flutter.When the wing crashes into the air, squeezing it in front of itself, the distance between the molecules decreases, and they repel each other due to their thermal energy. Molecular repulsion forms rarefied air. Further, attraction begins to act between the molecules, and they tend to attract each other. Due to the fact that during the impact on the leading edge, molecule received an impulse leading to the release of repulsive and attractive forces, their speed gets bigger.Therefore, they bend around the trailing edge and move under the wing against flight, reaching the leading edge, where, slowing down, they are cut off by molecules repelling from it. Due to this collision, a stream of smoke blowing the wing in the wind tunnel to the last tends to go over the upper part of the wing, even if it is moved strongly down. Thus, the shape of the wing leads to the fact that air from the upper surface flows under the lower one and creates an increased pressure there. An aerodynamic profile convex on both sides allows this force to act in the direction of flight. Molecules continue to be repelled and attracted like a spring, and after being left behind the wing like turbulence. Credit to:MasterOgon Quote
Vmedvil2 Posted August 11, 2020 Report Posted August 11, 2020 I seen this in another forum. Maybe this might help: It was found that the asymmetric vibrations of the object in homogeneous - liquid and gaseous media lead to the formation of a wave medium in which two oppositely directed waves of different forces, made alternately, exist simultaneously by inertia and create a pressure difference leading to uneven the release of thermal energy from the environment in the form of a vortex, pushing the object. Such an experiment is easy to repeat at home. It is necessary to lower the palm into the water and make a quick movement in one direction and slow in the other. During the reverse movement, the resistance of the water will be greater due to the energy released from the water. A series of experiments was performed in which a vibromotor that simulates the vibrations of an atom during movement was set on a float, discoid and sickle-shaped wing. Fluctuations with the help of an engine set the float in motion, and the lift of the wing in the oncoming flow increased significantly due to the formation of acoustic waves. In the near future, this principle can be used to create reusable spacecraft having high maneuverability when entering the atmosphere and capable of making a controlled landing anywhere in the world through the use of an electric motor. https://youtu.be/IyzIT2atqw0 Flying saucer is a reusable air / underwater / spacecraft. The motor used on it is a movable discoid sail, driven by high-frequency electromagnetic inertial propulsion drive. With the help of the wing, the inertial propulsion drive perceives the resistance of the environment and the apparatus comes in forward motion. Thus, the flying saucer uses the principle of movement of birds, fish and other species of creatures moving in a homogeneous environment. This principle is possible in virtually any environment capable of providing resistance in which waves can be created and reflected. This allows you to effectively use the resistance of the environment due to its inertness. For example, an airplane for the most part simply overcomes air resistance, leaving behind it an air whirlwind that lasts some time by inertia. The vortex contains energy that is not used at all. A bird creating a whirlwind with a wing wave receives back some of the energy spent on it in the form of wind, which pushes it. Thus, the bird is more efficient than the aircraft. But it is technically difficult to create a powerful and fast apparatus in the form of a bird or fish. Such designs have a large number of moving parts that do not withstand the load on friction and vibration, if you install a powerful engine on them. Unlike the ornithopter wing, the wing of the flying saucer will be able to vibrate with high frequency and low amplitude, like the membrane of an acoustic speaker. This can be achieved through the use in the design of the electromagnetic drive of the wing. The suspension of the wing on a magnetic cushion will allow you to realize greater power and frequency of oscillation with a low mechanical load. The work of the wing in the air or water can be described as follows. The wing makes a fast ascending impulse, as a result of which a shock wave is formed above it, and the flying saucer begins to be drawn into the region of reduced pressure formed behind it. An annular vortex is formed under the wing, which follows it by inertia. Then the wing begins to make a reverse movement downward at low speed, and the flying saucer pushes off from the whirlwind, which catches up with it, carrying it upwards. In space, a flying saucer can receive acceleration with the help of a wing in the form of a photon mirror and sail. The presence of an electron gun on board will allow the use of the wing and as a mirror of an electric sailing antenna. But unlike conventional ships that use the power of the solar wind to move in space, you can speed up flying not only by determining the pressure of the particles, but also by pushing them away. Inertial propulsion drive works much more efficiently when there is constant resistance on one side and there is no resistance in the direction of motion. Despite the fact that the solar wind has a very low density, and in it the work of the wing will not be as effective as air or water, the pressure on it of light from only one side will allow the inertia to repel in the direction of the wind and at an angle. Thanks to this, the flying saucer will be able to accelerate and maneuver more effectively than ordinary space sailing ships. It is assumed that it is possible to generate electromagnetic waves in the direction of motion and to perceive their pressure using a sail, which corresponds to the model of motion of the apparatus in a liquid and gaseous medium. The theory of motion of a flying saucer in a liquid and gaseous medium. Imagine that the atoms or molecules of a liquid or gas that are as close as possible to each other as a result of compression. The only possible position in which they can be equidistant is triangles, which are combined into hexagons. This corresponds to the crystal structure of water. Atom 1 gets a boost. Suppose that atoms move along the path of least resistance, as the arrows indicate. If these are billiard balls, then each time the impulse 1 will be divided by 3 and will lose power. But if these are atoms or molecules that oscillate, then each time during a collision, the pulse energy will increase, because the vibrating object itself creates a repulsion impulse.Due to the repulsion of atoms, a chain reaction will occur, which will first lead to the formation of multiple vortices, the prerequisites for which are in the figure, turning into large vortices. The plate converts the force of the vortex into motion. Thus, the driving force of the saucer is air resistance.Therefore, the energy that drives the flying saucer is taken from the environment . Birdplane. Antigravity aircraft Birdplane is an aircraft, which is a simplified version of a flying saucer. It uses the principle of bird movement. On the picture painted what it looks like on the example of bird flight and jellyfish movement. In reality, it has a more complex wavelike view. I simplified it to asymmetric vibrations. Based on this, the aerodynamics of bird flight, and the motion of the jellyfish are as follows: first, a vortex is generated from the environment, having a greater density and mass than the environment, and then it is thrown backwards as jet fuel.https://youtu.be/aCAFfisXYa4 The lifting force of the wing in accordance with new ideas about the whirlwind. Based on the theory of movement of a flying saucer and experiments conducted to confirm it, as well as the pattern of wing flow observed in a viscous fluid, it can be argued that the lifting force is formed as a result of the forces of intermolecular repulsion and attraction (short-range and long-range) and is equal to them. That is, the lifting force is equal to the thermal energy released from the air. The figure shows the motion of the boundary layer in a viscous fluid. Viscosity increases the thickness of the layer and allows you to consider the process in detail. First, it must be borne in mind that the flow process is not constant, but rhythmic. The forces of attraction and repulsion prevail alternately, gradually reaching minima and maxima, which we observe as turbulence. This rhythm leads to flutter. When the wing crashes into the air, squeezing it in front of itself, the distance between the molecules decreases, and they repel each other due to their thermal energy. Molecular repulsion forms rarefied air. Further, attraction begins to act between the molecules, and they tend to attract each other. Due to the fact that during the impact on the leading edge, molecule received an impulse leading to the release of repulsive and attractive forces, their speed gets bigger. Therefore, they bend around the trailing edge and move under the wing against flight, reaching the leading edge, where, slowing down, they are cut off by molecules repelling from it. Due to this collision, a stream of smoke blowing the wing in the wind tunnel to the last tends to go over the upper part of the wing, even if it is moved strongly down. Thus, the shape of the wing leads to the fact that air from the upper surface flows under the lower one and creates an increased pressure there. An aerodynamic profile convex on both sides allows this force to act in the direction of flight. Molecules continue to be repelled and attracted like a spring, and after being left behind the wing like turbulence. Credit to:MasterOgonWhat is this crap obviously MasterOgon is a crank. Quote
Thoth101 Posted August 11, 2020 Report Posted August 11, 2020 What is this crap obviously MasterOgon is a crank.It looked pretty interesting when I read it. It is not my expertise though. I couldn't even tell you the first thing on how to go about fixing a motor in a car. :lol: Quote
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