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[montgomery]

I agree with GAHD and Victor. I believe they are right in their assessments. You might be letting the Queen get to your head. :lol:

 

SHE'S THE HEAD OF STATE. Technically speaking, Queen Elizabeth is the Sovereign of the parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy of Canada. Unless you frequently use Canadian money or are particularly savvy with regard to Canadian politics, you may not have known they had any kind of monarchy.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/53036/10-things-queen-england-still-does-canada

What's tihs Thoth? Another one of your conspiracy theories on what 'they' should know? Who is this 'they' who uses Canadian money?

 

When you talk 'Technically' to me it makes me suspicious of another of your theories coming up.

Edited July 16, 2020 by montgomery

[Thoth101]

What's tihs Thoth? Another one of your conspiracy theories on what 'they' should know? Who is this 'they' who uses Canadian money?

 

When you talk 'Technically' to me it makes me suspicious of another of your theories coming up.

Weird how you mix facts up with the word conspiracy theory. Apparently you don't even know about your own country yet you are trying to keep track of other countries. Maybe you should take the time to learn about your own country first before you can learn about other ones. I know it might be hard with a one track mind. :lol:

 

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/constitutional-monarchy

 

Canada is also a constitutional monarchy, in that its executive authority is vested formally in the Queen through the Constitution. ^[11]  Every act of government is carried out in the name of the Crown

https://www.ourcommons.ca/marleaumontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch01&Seq=2

 

Canada is a constitutional monarchy. The Crown in Canada was first established by the kings of France in the sixteenth century. Organized as a royal province of France, both French and British kings and queens have reigned over Canada since 1534.

 

Apparently you think facts are a conspiracy theory. :lol: 

 

The $20 has an aged, green portrait of Canada's monarch, Queen Elizabeth II (b. 1926) on it. She used to be on the $1 and $2 bills, too, back when those existed.

https://thecanadaguide.com/basics/money/

Edited July 17, 2020 by Thoth101

[montgomery]

Weird how you mix facts up with the word conspiracy theory. Apparently you don't even know about your own country yet you are trying to keep track of other countries. Maybe you should take the time to learn about your own country first before you can learn about other ones. I know it might be hard with a one track mind. :lol:

 

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/constitutional-monarchy

 

Canada is also a constitutional monarchy, in that its executive authority is vested formally in the Queen through the Constitution. ^[11]  Every act of government is carried out in the name of the Crown

https://www.ourcommons.ca/marleaumontpetit/DocumentViewer.aspx?Sec=Ch01&Seq=2

 

Canada is a constitutional monarchy. The Crown in Canada was first established by the kings of France in the sixteenth century. Organized as a royal province of France, both French and British kings and queens have reigned over Canada since 1534.

 

Apparently you think facts are a conspiracy theory. :lol: 

 

The $20 has an aged, green portrait of Canada's monarch, Queen Elizabeth II (b. 1926) on it. She used to be on the $1 and $2 bills, too, back when those existed.

https://thecanadaguide.com/basics/money/

Not one bit of that is true. Are you getting your information from Martians?

[A-wal]

I wonder what the people in 1700's and 1800's USA had as an equivalent? Did THEY bootstrap the infrastructure? Did they dig wells and hand-pump their fields every morning?

Why don't you think other people are capable of the same? You shouldn't view others as "lesser" like you seem to be, they are just as capable of innovation and hard work.

Yes they are, that was a very pathetic attempt to subvert your own racism GAHD, I expect better from you!

The fact that they are equally capable and yet haven't been able to do what people in the 1700s and 1800s did in other places shows that they don't have access to the same natural resorces.

 

Yup. I'm right wing these days. Believe it or not I USED to be left wing, but then I became educated by the School Of Hard Knocks. I'd be willing to marry a buck-toothed southern girl for a green card, but I don't currently have either. ;) No disguise here, it's not worth my time to be fake and/or put up appearances.

Oh you mean you were left wing when you thought that would benifit you and then you became right wing when you had more to lose from paying higher taxes because you only really care about what benefits you rather than what you think is right. :)

 

You live in Canadia but want to go to the United Shitholes Of America? That's like trading in a Porche for a Fiat Panda.

Edited July 24, 2020 by A-wal

[GAHD]

Yes they are, that was a very pathetic attempt to subvert your own racism GAHD, I expect better from you!

The fact that they are equally capable and yet haven't been able to do what people in the 1700s and 1800s did in other places shows that they don't have access to the same natural resorces.

 

I can see where you're going here, But I disagree that race has anything to do with it. Culture *is* a big problem in a lot of cases, but race has very little to do with it. It's too bad Boerson isn't a frequenter of the forums anymore; he'd be able to regale you with examples of how the culture shock of "handed magic technology" in his native Africa caused civil unrest, and within 10 years of the tech being "taken from the evil foreigners" complete lack of maintenance reduced a thriving agriculture and well system back to the dust it came from.

 

A LOT of the issues are purely cultural; there are ways of life that WORK with higher technology and ways of life that do not work. A very large chunk of "uplift" attempts are stymied by moral quandaries revolving around superstition and cultural practices. Even the western world has sub-cultures like Mennonites or other cults that view technology as "evil" and so fall back to low-tech living. Prime examples include anti-vaccination, anti-oil/gas, and anti-GMO.

 

This is however diverting quite farm from thread topic is it not? I'm sure there's other threads existing on this, and if not you can feel free to start one with choice quotes. To try and bring it back to topic: The Socialist Policies that the left puts forward seek to remove the discomfort of under-achieving. I think that risks cheapening the rewards of achievement that have allowed western culture such rapid advancement.

 

 

Oh you mean you were left wing when you thought that would benifit you and then you became right wing when you had more to lose from paying higher taxes because you only really care about what benefits you rather than what you think is right. :)

 

That's fairly accurate on the history, but wrong on the result. I care deeply about what I think is right; that's why I'm not left-leaning politically any more. Taxes are way to high, the government mismanages the money from those taxes constantly. Government employees are either overpaid and useless, or severely understaffed and useless. Political power as become nepotic. It's an irony that someone pointed out Canada's "still technicaly here" monarchy (there's reasons they are called "crown lands" and "crown corporations")...

It's called Enlightened Self Interest. It would benifit me AND others to fix the problems that leaning way too far left has put into Canada.

 

Again though: little off topic? Democrats, alienating their voter base, breitbart not really being "extreme" and that being a disservice, etc... Feel free to split threads to talk about this in detail, or to pick up the torch on one of the many others we got around here...

 

 

You live in Canadia but want to go to the United Shitholes Of America? That's like trading in a Porche for a Fiat Panda.

You REALLY have never been up here have you? Like to either the USA or Canada. I'd liken it to escaping Greece and horrific Debt:GDP I have no control over. It would be trading a Porche I don't want to spend 40% of my future income on for a Chevy I can buy in cash and own outright.

[A-wal]

I can see where you're going here, But I disagree that race has anything to do with it. Culture *is* a big problem in a lot of cases, but race has very little to do with it. It's too bad Boerson isn't a frequenter of the forums anymore; he'd be able to regale you with examples of how the culture shock of "handed magic technology" in his native Africa caused civil unrest, and within 10 years of the tech being "taken from the evil foreigners" complete lack of maintenance reduced a thriving agriculture and well system back to the dust it came from.

You disagree that race has anything to do with it? That's twice now in two posts you've tried to pull the same trick. First with this:

I wonder what the people in 1700's and 1800's USA had as an equivalent? Did THEY bootstrap the infrastructure? Did they dig wells and hand-pump their fields every morning?

Why don't you think other people are capable of the same? You shouldn't view others as "lesser" like you seem to be, they are just as capable of innovation and hard work.

Implying that they are able but unwilling to improve their living conditions. You're comparing two groups of people with entirely different starting conditions, one much more favourable than the other. And your response to me calling you on it is to claim that you don't think race has anything to do with it, as if I do? Do you seriously expect these kinds of cheap tricks to work on anyone?

 

A LOT of the issues are purely cultural; there are ways of life that WORK with higher technology and ways of life that do not work. A very large chunk of "uplift" attempts are stymied by moral quandaries revolving around superstition and cultural practices. Even the western world has sub-cultures like Mennonites or other cults that view technology as "evil" and so fall back to low-tech living. Prime examples include anti-vaccination, anti-oil/gas, and anti-GMO.

Africa is a very big place. I'm sure there are some remote places where a mobile phone could cause culture shock, as sure as I am that this in no way applies to the VAST majority of Africa. The problem isn't cultural generally, it's situational.

 

This is however diverting quite farm from thread topic is it not? I'm sure there's other threads existing on this, and if not you can feel free to start one with choice quotes. To try and bring it back to topic: The Socialist Policies that the left puts forward seek to remove the discomfort of under-achieving. I think that risks cheapening the rewards of achievement that have allowed western culture such rapid advancement.

Unfortunately the rewards of achievement are only available to those in (usually born into) privileged positions and most token socialist policies do very little to even the playing field.

 

That's fairly accurate on the history, but wrong on the result. I care deeply about what I think is right; that's why I'm not left-leaning politically any more. Taxes are way to high, the government mismanages the money from those taxes constantly. Government employees are either overpaid and useless, or severely understaffed and useless. Political power as become nepotic. It's an irony that someone pointed out Canada's "still technicaly here" monarchy (there's reasons they are called "crown lands" and "crown corporations")...

It's called Enlightened Self Interest. It would benifit me AND others to fix the problems that leaning way too far left has put into Canada.

It's called letting the disadvantaged (often through no fault of their own) suffer so as not to inconvenience the privileged, as if those already at an advantage are entitled to favourable treatment over those that aren't.

 

You may care deeply about you think is right but what you thought was right was something very different when the opposite political stance favoured you personally wasn't it? Do you think maybe you care deeply about what's right for you and benefits you the most in your current situation?

 

You REALLY have never been up here have you? Like to either the USA or Canada.

I've been to one of the United States twice in my youth, never Canadia.

 

Like to either the USA or Canada. I'd liken it to escaping Greece and horrific Debt:GDP I have no control over. It would be trading a Porche I don't want to spend 40% of my future income on for a Chevy I can buy in cash and own outright.

Okay that's actually a very nice answer. :)

Edited July 24, 2020 by A-wal

[Thoth101]

Not one bit of that is true. Are you getting your information from Martians?

The link comes from your own government website. Are the leaders of your governments Martians?

[Thoth101]

That is wrong. I currently live in Portugal whose politics are more socialist than many other parts of Europe. Taxation is no worse than anywhere else inside the EU. The portuguese government have lots of job creation schemes(minimum wage). The idea that socialism will cost you more is I think wrong.

 

The biggest costs America has are its military, and the corporations and billionaires practicing tax avoidance.

 

If the tax avoidance was stopped, and people at the top end of the pay grades paid taxes in proportion to what they get out of society, you might not need to pay so much tax.

 

If the government stopped trying to police the world, and employed the ex soldiers to do social works or work in the prison service in the USA, America would be able to afford a free health service. 

 

The USA and the UK are likely the best places for big corporations and billionaires to avoid tax. 

 

Conspiratorially the likes of George Soares funded the Brexit campaign. The EU is implementing a law to stop tax avoidance across Europe, maybe that was his reason.

 

The reason perhaps you think socialism is bad, is because you have been brain washed by big corporations into thinking you will pay more tax, when in actual fact the corporations will have to pay more tax

 

Actually Portugal has been a Republic since the overthrow of the monarchy in 1910. You just have some socialist programs.

https://globaledge.msu.edu/countries/portugal/history

 

The US is a Federal Republic and a Constitutional Representative Democracy. Also with socialist programs.

https://www.usconstitution.net/constfaq_q76.html

 

Actually according to Karl Marx, socialism is the transitional period between capitalism and communism. That is also where you get the term Marxist from who is Black Lives Matters hero. Go figure. :lol:

 

Socialism

Socialism, like communism, calls for putting the major means of production in the hands of the people, either directly or through the government. Socialism also believes that wealth and income should be shared more equally among people. Socialists differ from communists in that they do not believe that the workers will overthrow capitalists suddenly and violently. Nor do they believe that all private property should be eliminated. Their main goal is to narrow, not totally eliminate, the gap between the rich and the poor. The government, they say, has a responsibility to redistribute wealth to make society more fair and just.

There is no purely capitalist or communist economy in the world today. The capitalist United States has a Social Security system and a government-owned postal service. Communist China now allows its citizens to keep some of the profits they earn. These categories are models designed to shed greater light on differing economic systems.

Capitalism

• Capitalism is based on private ownership of the means of production and on individual economic freedom. Most of the means of production, such as factories and businesses, are owned by private individuals and not by the government. Private owners make decisions about what and when to produce and how much products should cost. Other characteristics of capitalism include the following:
• Free competition. The basic rule of capitalism is that people should compete freely without interference from government or any other outside force. Capitalism assumes that the most deserving person will usually win. In theory, prices will be kept as low as possible because consumers will seek the best product for the least amount of money.

https://www.ushistory.org/gov/13b.asp

Edited July 25, 2020 by Thoth101