Can the first cause be known?

[insight]

It is rather difficult for us to understand how the world came into existence without a first cause. But it is very much more difficult to understand how that first cause came into existence at the begining. For if the first cause can exist through uncreated, there is no reason why the other phenomena of the Universe must not exist without having also been created.

 

Law of Dependent Orgination, there are twelve factors which account for the continuity of existence birth after birth. The factors are as follows:

1. Through ignorance are conditioned volitional actions or Kamma-formations.

2. Through volitional actions is conditioned consciousness.

3. Through consciousness are conditioned mental and physical phenomena.

4. Through mental and physical phenomena are conditioned the six faculties five physical sense organs and mind)

5. Through the six faculties is conditioned (sensorial and mental) contact.

6. Through (sensorial and mental) contact is conditioned sensationn.

7. Through sensation is conditioned desire, 'thirst'.

8. Through desire, 'thirst', conditioned clinging.

9. Through clinging is conditioned the process of becoming.

10. Through the process of becoming is conditioned birth.

11. Through birth are conditioned decay, death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair.

This is how life arises, exists and continues, and how suffering arises.

 

Here is interesting one

'No God, no Brahma can be found

No matter of this wheel of life

Just bare phenomena roll

Depend on conditions all' (Visuddhi Magga)

 

They are some notes of Buddhism that i've got from "K.Sri Dhammananda".

The reason that i post this thread here is Buddhism Theology is contributed. ;)

[C1ay]

First cause? Why does there have to be a first cause? Isn't it possible that the universe has existed for eternity? I see no need to make up answers just because we haven't found the right answers yet.

[emessay]

Interesting !

Imagine when civilization had struggling to invent 'first numerical number' of zero and 'first algebraic function equation' = f(x) = 0 ? The first cause of forgotten and unforgotten.

 

Then we may extend --> The first cause = The end cause !!!

[Fishteacher73]

I think that there really cannot be a t=0. If we are to graph time you would simply have a vertical asymptote. Just as we have no year 0, ther is not a t=0.

[insight]

Interesting !

 

Then we may extend --> The first cause = The end cause !!!

 

The current first cause = The end cause of previous cause?????? ;)

[emessay]

Your question is : "Can the first cause be known ?" . Yes, I would introduce his nickname is God, so after our 10,000 yrs civilization bla bla bla bla, He would be predicted as 'the end cause actor', at least we may question ourselves why we'd like to analyze algebraic limit function of universe y = f(t), t-->0 or like typical question 'what was happened before big-bang?"

 

By the way , at this time we have 10exp(+52) kg universe mass and 13.7 bya observable space-time , do you think is it our job or His[God] job to finalize it ??

[insight]

Your question is : "Can the first cause be known ?" . Yes, I would introduce his nickname is God, so after our 10,000 yrs civilization bla bla bla bla, He would be predicted as 'the end cause actor', at least we may question ourselves why we'd like to analyze algebraic limit function of universe y = f(t), t-->0 or like typical question 'what was happened before big-bang?"

 

By the way , at this time we have 10exp(+52) kg universe mass and 13.7 bya observable space-time , do you think is it our job or His[God] job to finalize it ??

 

why are you being monopolized by God theory? if God created everything, supposing for example, you've been stolen your wallet, you blame on the bad guy or God? :)

[emessay]

When I accompanied my kid visiting Borobudur temple central Java, all visitors would have similar mind in stepping up stairs to the top of pyramid, there is one Stupa of Buddha at last. I whispered to my kid: "Reach and touch His Face now". Thirty five years ago, my dad also went along with me and whispering alike, what does it really mean ?

[insight]

When I accompanied my kid visiting Borobudur temple central Java, all visitors would have similar mind in stepping up stairs to the top of pyramid, there is one Stupa of Buddha at last. I whispered to my kid: "Reach and touch His Face now". Thirty five years ago, my dad also went along with me and whispering alike, what does it really mean ?

 

i really don't know about their ritual respect to the Buddha. i've praticed Tharavadan Buddhism. As long as i can say Buddha is a human, which is a teacher of Buddhists. He persevered for so many lives time to attain Buddhahood and he showed that a human can get highest fruit of achievement if he really wants to try. i've reminded one thing, my friend named his dog "Buddha" and there are alot of examples like that too. i hope you know that there are Buddha idols displaying in houses of western countries. We believe a great teacher should be paid respect thus we acknowledge Him with ritual respect.

It would be very funny you'll be wealthy, rich or whatever if you touch His face.

[emessay]

What I mean it, you've already built a pyramidal understanding points with your twelve factors of Law of Dependent Origination, you've put Buddha at the top at last, you've stepped up the pyramid then you've reached it and finally touched 'His Spirit'.

[insight]

What I mean it, you've already built a pyramidal understanding points with your twelve factors of Law of Dependent Origination, you've put Buddha at the top at last, you've stepped up the pyramid then you've reached it and finally touched 'His Spirit'.

 

According to the Buddhism, Life is a combination of mind (nama) and body (yupa). Mind consists of the combination of sensation, perceptions, volitional activities and consciniousness. Matter consists of the combination of the four elements of solidity, fluidity, motion and heat.

Life is the coexistance of mind and matter. Decay is the lack of co-ordination of mind and matter. Death is the seperation of mind and matter. Rebirth is the recombination of mind and matter. After the passing away of the physical body (matter), the mental forces (yupa) recombine and assume a new combination in a diffeerent material form and condition another existance.

Nirvana Bliss is a state which is free from suffering and rounds of rebirth and which is not subjected to the laws of rebirth, decay and death. Nirvana is Unborn, Unorginated, Uncreated and Unformed. If there were not this Unborn, Unoriginated, Uncreated and Unformed, then escape from the conditioned world is not possible.

Buddha had passed through Nirvana Bliss. How can His mind (not spirit) be here in the world or anywhere in the Universe. We can't see Him and neither does He. He's free from unconditioned things. He never left anything except His teachings (Dhamma) and His principled society (Sangha).

 

Having understood the Four Noble Truth or Having understood the law of Dependent Origination leads us to the path of Nirvana. (note: the 12 pyramid of the law of Dependent Origination is not my understainding but all the Buddhists seen the unconditional things in the Universe.)