'Baby' Galaxy question

[EWright]

Hm...maybe you should try fo understand this thread before you slam me for anything. I don't see anybody claiming that the galaxy was 13 billion light years away from us when the light was emitted (apart from you, of course).

 

Ah, perhaps you would like to enlighten us then Tormod, as to the relative position and relative age of this particular galaxy when its light was given off. What I hear in this thread is a lot of confusion and perceived paradox. So how've you been Tormod? :confused:

[HydrogenBond]

The fastest objects, due to red shift, places these the farthest away. But anything far away that we can see via light is from an event in the past. The light from the sun reaching us now, is not from now, but from minutes before. The farther out on space we go they farther from the past the event occurred. Those distant events could look just like the milky way, today, but we will not know for another 13 billion years. The time delay presents a problem with relaible predicition of the future; an alien visiting the earth 100million years ago seeing dinosuars would have a hard time extrapolating to humans since lizard people would be a better conclusion.

 

The spontaneous creation everywhere offers a better explanation because the it allow independance of events such that time delay is no big problem. However, this conflicts with the red shift data since that is intepretted as being due to directed motion, which appears all around us in space making the BB more logical. The red shift would impy spontaneous appearance with a directed velocity twist.

 

But the fast formation of structures within the universe creates a problem for traditonal BB because there is not enough disorder near the begining to accounts for such early universe structure. The spontanteous creation everywhere approach has no problem with this but again needs to assume blobs of matter with directed velocity appearing everywhere to explain the uniform background Microwave radiation. This implies mini big bangs appearing everywhere.

 

Mini BB from a single center, like BB, would imply an expansion phenomena moving from the center that is discontinuous and not inertial. The phase separation into inertial causes matter to appear everywhere within the universe with a velcitiy twist. This allows old events to appear farthers away due to the time delay reaching us.