Universe as a Living Entity?

[CraigD]

Seriously, how would you go about "killing" the universe?

An extremely “hard” Science fictional answer to how one might “kill” – or at least alter beyond recognition – the universe is to be found in Greg Egan’s “Schild’s Ladder”, an absolutely amazing book, IMHO.

[Akw2000]

An extremely “hard” Science fictional answer to how one might “kill” – or at least alter beyond recognition – the universe is to be found in Greg Egan’s “Schild’s Ladder”, an absolutely amazing book, IMHO.

 

Cool,maybe i should borrow it from a library and read it? :)

[infamous]

but we must acknowledge the human being as the supreme product of the universe as we know it.

I consider this statement to be an example of the highest form of conceit. To accept this point of view as fact one must exclude the existence of any other intelligent life forms anywhere within the universe and to do so would be the pinnacle of narrow-mindedness.

 

 

if there is a creator, man must have some importance.

If one accepts the proposition of a creator, which I do myself, then there is some truth in this statement but remember, we as created beings came after the fact. Let's not get the big head.

 

 

if there is no creator, man is just an accident of minerals and amines.

An accident which, I might add, may have occured a multitude of different times thouhgout the entire universe. 13.7 billion years is quite enough time in my opinion for this accident to have occured many times over.

 

Whether the universe is a living entity in and of itself is an interesting question, one I'm afraid we may never be able to answer however. But just for the sake of argument, if we examine all known life forms on this planet, one finds that humans are a complex consisting of many complementing organisms including certain forms of bacteria, enzymes, and porteins. Some have even conjectured that the earth is also a living thing composed of multiplied variations of life forms which when added together form a mutual symbiosis of life. If, as I believe to be the case, life abounds within the universe, we could also visualize another common or mutual symbiotic system at work. The universe itself could then be vaguely interpretated to be a Living Entity.

[Tormod]

I must admit I have looked at the universe as a "living entity" for quite some time now. Not "living" as in "thinking", but more like "something that provides life". We say that the Earth is a living planet...it has cycles which we recognize as life giving. I don't know exactly which cycles we could blame on the universe (apart from it being there) but the evolution of stars, galaxies, planets and eventually life is certainly a byproduct of the universe.

[Boerseun]

Infamous - I've gotta agree with questor on this.

 

What he's saying is that humans are the pinnacle of creation, as far as we know the universe. And this isn't saying anything about how good humans are; indeed, it's only stating how limited our knowledge about the universe is!

[Tormod]

What he's saying is that humans are the pinnacle of creation, as far as we know the universe. And this isn't saying anything about how good humans are; indeed, it's only stating how limited our knowledge about the universe is!

 

I would argue that this is off-topic. However, my take on this is that ants may as well be the pinnacle of evolution. Or perhaps the shark - it has hardly evolved for 200 million years. Human beings haven't been around long enough to warrant a place on the pinnacle. :)

[questor]

Boersun, you have understood my comment perfectly. there may indeed be higher forms of life in the universe with more complex and intricate machinery, but the ant and the shark are not among them. longevity does not beget complexity.

[Akw2000]

I consider this statement to be an example of the highest form of conceit. To accept this point of view as fact one must exclude the existence of any other intelligent life forms anywhere within the universe and to do so would be the pinnacle of narrow-mindedness.

 

 

If one accepts the proposition of a creator, which I do myself, then there is some truth in this statement but remember, we as created beings came after the fact. Let's not get the big head.

 

 

An accident which, I might add, may have occured a multitude of different times thouhgout the entire universe. 13.7 billion years is quite enough time in my opinion for this accident to have occured many times over.

 

Whether the universe is a living entity in and of itself is an interesting question, one I'm afraid we may never be able to answer however. But just for the sake of argument, if we examine all known life forms on this planet, one finds that humans are a complex consisting of many complementing organisms including certain forms of bacteria, enzymes, and porteins. Some have even conjectured that the earth is also a living thing composed of multiplied variations of life forms which when added together form a mutual symbiosis of life. If, as I believe to be the case, life abounds within the universe, we could also visualize another common or mutual symbiotic system at work. The universe itself could then be vaguely interpretated to be a Living Entity.

 

So the universe is bound together by "the force" which is created by all life? maybe it is. and maybe the universe cannot be destroyed because obviously somebody would have done it in this long time. i agree with you that we are not alone in the universe, but i find it hard to believe in a creator. i cannot understand it and as a human i have difficulty to believe in something i do not understand, and if god exists, i dont think he can be understood by using logic.

[Christopher]

Akw2000 ; wrote

So the universe is bound together by "the force" which is created by all life? maybe it is. and maybe the universe cannot be destroyed because obviously somebody would have done it in this long time. i agree with you that we are not alone in the universe, but i find it hard to believe in a creator. i cannot understand it and as a human i have difficulty to believe in something i do not understand, and if god exists, i dont think he can be understood by using logic.

 

 

 

Since God represents the eternal aspect of consciences,

Man representing the temporal aspect of this same consciences,

And considering that all fundamental forces contain their opposites,

it stands to reason we are all part of god and god is a part of us.

An inseparable relationship one giving the other its contextual meaning.

[Akw2000]

Akw2000 ; wrote

 

 

 

 

Since God represents the eternal aspect of consciences,

Man representing the temporal aspect of this same consciences,

And considering that all fundamental forces contain their opposites,

it stands to reason we are all part of god and god is a part of us.

An inseparable relationship one giving the other its contextual meaning.

 

 

Then what IS this meaning you are talking about?

[GreekTTC]

...maybe the universe cannot be destroyed because obviously somebody would have done it in this long time.

 

Time, my good man. Time.

 

In this cosmos where it takes millions and billions of years for most common events to take place, our idea of a "lifetime" is, in my opinion, severely skewed. If there is a creator, a billion years to him/her/it would most likely equal minutes or years relative to the human perception of time.

 

Life could simply be a biproduct of something so vast and complex that our small minds cannot be (or be made) aware.

[justforfun]

Do the atoms in our brain sit around wondering if we are alive. Humans are amazing. Does the Sun have a brown dwarf twin, on an elliptical orbit which passes through the solar system every 3300 years? Do bears **** in the woods? Is there a secret government that controls the United States Government, in turn controlled by aliens? Are crop circles trying to tell us something important? Is the earth going to be hit by a comet within 5 years? DOES ANYONE EVEN CARE ???!!!

[questor]

crop circles are trying to show how easy it is to perform hoaxes.

[Akw2000]

Time, my good man. Time.

 

In this cosmos where it takes millions and billions of years for most common events to take place, our idea of a "lifetime" is, in my opinion, severely skewed. If there is a creator, a billion years to him/her/it would most likely equal minutes or years relative to the human perception of time.

 

Life could simply be a biproduct of something so vast and complex that our small minds cannot be (or be made) aware.

 

Yes, maybe that is true. however, i won´t be able to understand it, right? by the way, maybe god got bored and created us to have someone to laugh at?

[bartock]

Since God represents the eternal aspect of consciences,

Man representing the temporal aspect of this same consciences,

And considering that all fundamental forces contain their opposites,

it stands to reason we are all part of god and god is a part of us.

An inseparable relationship one giving the other its contextual meaning.

need help on this. dont understand what u mean by what u just said up there.

[Christopher]

As you release the ficticious beliefs that stand in your way, memory of these things will return. You will recognize eternity's thoughts as your own, and activate historically latent features of human design. You will see that creature and environment are inseperable, and that environment does not stop with an ecosystem but extends to include your star-system, and every galaxy resting in the universal sea.

 

This blue and white sphere, floating so alive through space, is, after all, an intensely intimate place. Its rhythms pulse within our bodies, our gardens, our seasons. As our minds and hearts also attune, our vision clears; we see the world anew. Plants arrange molecules in patterns inspired by the light of our nearest star. Oceans rise to greet the moon. A biosphere plays with endless variations, mingling earth and sun, time and eternity, balancing matter and spirit in uncountable lives.

 

Evolution moves toward balance in consciousness as well as in form.

 

Vision

Ken Carey

 

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The Beatitudes

[Christopher]

need help on this. dont understand what u mean by what u just said up there.

 

Here’s what I think is the truth of the matter, the complexity we observe developing is only a temporal view of a system that contains a duality, this duality giving the other its contextual meaning.

 

Complexity in its final form, does not exist as a prior form, but as an eternal form. A singularity .

 

What we observe as time and movement between a simple ordered state and higher ordered state is merely a cognitive movement between the two aspects of time, one of eternity, Were all things are complete whole forms and the temporal state of becoming.

 

Let me approach this from architectural view point. When building a structure using regular geometry, small mistakes in the initial measurements will be amplified as the construction progresses, until a point is reached were the initial small instability surpasses and overwhelms the stability factors causing a catastrophic collapse, destroying the intended design.

 

Vesica Attractor

Now catastrophe theory combined with embedded phi-wave dynamics and a dissipative physical components is were this scenario happens in reverse.

The instant all the physical and dynamic elements arrive they cause a catastrophic constructive collapse toward a higher ordered state, in this particular scenario the attractor forms around water waves. Initial instabilities become creative as they are compresses by the horizontal “whirlwind” or phi-waves dynamics. This state of creative instability is referred to as “edge of chaos” Coined by Doyne Farmer this state exist between the chaotic regime and the order regime. These attractors self-construct, by generating a circular vortex drawing energy from its environment. Most of these forms are short lived as in actual vortexes of just wind and water.

 

 

The reason I keep comparing the vesica attractor to a black hole is because they both form stable attractors one though gravity, the other though cognition. These two forces seem to be the only way to stabilizing a point in the quantum field.

 

This math is central to evolution, it is how biological systems self organize, and evolve.

 

 

It is the geometry of creation.

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This scenario is counter intuitive because it is completely diametrically opposed to how we believe the universe operates.

These two forces of gravity and cognition seem to emanate from the eternal source creating what we perceive as time and movement between past and future. Now you my ask, why is this…where is god the creator in this equation, how does man fit into it all. consider the following.

 

Since god represents the eternal aspect of conciseness,

Man representing the temporal aspect of this same conciseness,

And considering that all fundamental forces contain their opposites, it stands to reason we are all part of god and god is a part of us. An inseparable relationship one giving the other its contextual meaning.