Suicide: Yay or nay?

[Turtle]

even sacrafice has a few forms - whether you are diving onto a grenade that just got thrown into a room full of people, or taking your own life in worship of a cult or god... it is still suicide

___I said as much, but how does it compare to the other suicides mentioned, i.e. terminally ill people & mentally ill people. In regard to legality for instance. Suicide is illegal in many places, regardless of circumstance. Is this in an effort to curb suicide, or collect money? Something else? If there's money in selling suicide kits, will it be legalized? :hihi:

[Boerseun]

There's actually an easy way of doing it.

 

All you need is a flight ticket to Texas.

 

You fly there, git some of them witnesses, and kill somebody.

 

You're fried. The more witnesses, the sooner.

 

Only hassle with this is if the court case takes too long and you have enough time to decide you don't wanna die no more.

 

Tough luck. But it can be done.

[CraigD]

There's actually an easy way of doing it.

 

All you need is a flight ticket to Texas.

 

You fly there, git some of them witnesses, and kill somebody.

 

You're fried. The more witnesses, the sooner. …

There’s said to be an even easier and much quicker way that doesn’t require one to kill someone.

 

I’m speaking of “suicide by police”, something along the lines of getting a gun, making a public spectacle, then, when sufficient police have arrived, firing some shots in their direction. Some cops of my acquaintance admit to holding informal contests to guess the number of entry and exit holes that would appear in the coroners report for situations like this.

 

Though I’ve heard many people speak of “suicide by police”, I don’t think it accounts for many of the incidents of police shooting armed, agitated people. It appears hard to maintain the bravery necessary to pull it off. More often, suicidaly distraught people just verbally plead with police to kill them, which, of course, lacking the argumentative strength of shooting at them, never (or very rarely) works.

[Merek]

I heard this local story about a woman who...Sold her car to buy a new car, then directly coming home drove onto the opposite side of the freeway and used a head on collision to kill her self...actually...it didnt kill her untill 2 days later in the hospital, but i thought it was interasting to use some one else as the brick wall you kill yourself with....so not only do you end your life, but change some1 elses life with you....For the worse obviously, and can possibly kill them to. thats why in my opinion there should be someway to take your life legally so stupid people dont do stupid things like that. :hihi:

[bartock]

again one has to be sane to decide to end his life.

people who decide for suicide,are they mentally fit for deciding on suicide?

should society let mentally unfit individuals decide on somthing so serious?

shouldn't we help mentally unfit people go to rehabilitation(get help ,therapy or somthing)?

shouldn't we help people be productive?instead of leaving them to their own devices?

a person is an asset ;and sould be recovered if lost to mental illness.

[Jay-qu]

In regard to legality for instance. Suicide is illegal in many places, regardless of circumstance.

 

How can it be illegal :hihi: If you somehow survived in order to be prosecuted then you didnt actually commit suicide so your innocent... sort of

[Turtle]

How can it be illegal :hihi: If you somehow survived in order to be prosecuted then you didnt actually commit suicide so your innocent... sort of

___It 'can be' illegal because the authorities legislated it so. It is not for prosecuting the suicidee, but for getting to any money (or not paying any money) of the suicidees estate. In many cases a contract is null in void if any of the parties commit illegal acts. Quike the little paradox eh? :cup:

[Jay-qu]

yeah, another one of those silly intricacies of our legal system (although when I say our I am generalising because we all come from different countries)

[CraigD]

… It 'can be' illegal because the authorities legislated it so. It is not for prosecuting the suicidee, but for getting to any money (or not paying any money) of the suicidees estate. In many cases a contract is null in void if any of the parties commit illegal acts. …

I think the insurance-voiding legal status is likely a good thing. It removes the motivating factor of providing a cash sum to their loved ones, a good thing for insurance companies, their customers, the potential suicide, and their loved ones, who in most cases would rather have their person around than even a huge amount of money.

 

It’s actually more of a helpful myth than a legal fact, however – most “term” life insurance pays even in the case of suicide, though usually only if the insurance is purchased at least 2-3 year before the suicide. “Accidental death” insurance, a more limited and less expensive form of life insurance, typically will not pay in the case of suicide, deeming it not accidental.

[Jay-qu]

I think the insurance-voiding legal status is likely a good thing. It removes the motivating factor of providing a cash sum to their loved ones, a good thing for insurance companies, their customers, the potential suicide, and their loved ones, who in most cases would rather have their person around than even a huge amount of money.

 

so even when the point of the insurence is to help the family support themselves without the income of the suicidee... why should they be punished for what they didnt do and had no control over??

 

It’s actually more of a helpful myth than a legal fact, however – most “term” life insurance pays even in the case of suicide, though usually only if the insurance is purchased at least 2-3 year before the suicide. “Accidental death” insurance, a more limited and less expensive form of life insurance, typically will not pay in the case of suicide, deeming it not accidental.

 

Who and what critera deems it a suicide? In the unlikely event of an accident occuring with no witnesses and suspicious suicide possibility - such as someone slipping or tripping off a bridge/cliff - it could appear suicidal... then it would be a hard call to make

[WildRose1010]

Many suicidees go through great pains to make it look like a homicide for their families to collect on the life insurance, if that was their goal to begin with. If this isn't the case, I agree that the families should get the life insurance; isn't that what it is there for, in case that person dies?

[Turtle]

Who and what critera deems it a suicide? In the unlikely event of an accident occuring with no witnesses and suspicious suicide possibility - such as someone slipping or tripping off a bridge/cliff - it could appear suicidal... then it would be a hard call to make

___Usually, the coroner makes this decision.

___I think the illegal issue goes beyond insurance polices (policys?) :hihi: . That aspect is purely in the private sector, i.e. a requirement of the insurance company not any government authority. I guess someone better Goggle 'suicide laws' in search of any criminal or civil statutes that bear on the discussion. :cup:

[GAHD]

Not to sound too callous, but the world is overpopulated. If somebody wants to snuff themselvs, let them; there's more air, water and food for the rest of us.

[Turtle]

Not to sound too callous, but the world is overpopulated. If somebody wants to snuff themselvs, let them; there's more air, water and food for the rest of us.

___Fair enough; hope you have enjoyed what you got of Allen Turing's share. :hihi:

[infamous]

Many suicidees go through great pains to make it look like a homicide for their families to collect on the life insurance, if that was their goal to begin with. If this isn't the case, I agree that the families should get the life insurance; isn't that what it is there for, in case that person dies?

Very true WildRose1010, but the insurance companies like to view it from a little different perspective. You see, they like to tilt the scales in their favor by finding every possible exclusionary device they can. From their point of view, it's all about profit and believe me they're doing a pretty good job.

[Queso]

i believe the only important question in our lives is whether or not we want to live. imo, if someone really doesn't want to live anymore- obviously they have good reason, and just let them DIE!

the life support issue is a hard one, but also IMO, almost suicides shouldn't be on life support at all. that seems like the last thing they would want.

SIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHH this world is so, so strange.

suicide, yay.

[WildRose1010]

I totally agree, orbsycli! Couldn't have put it better myself.