Walking Stick & The Turtle discuss Total Field Theory

Turtle · December 2, 2005

Why do you send the dunce (ignorant person as in one who doesn't yet know) to the corner to sit on a high stool with a pointy hat to teach them a lesson.

Because the corner is the center, because the stool has three legs & a round top, because you have to climb up to sit down and climb down to stand up, because the pointy hat is the finite volume with infinite surface, because the floor is the infinite surface with no volume.

It is not a punishment to sit in the corner; it is a priveledge.

:naughty:

infamous · December 2, 2005

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Dear InmyStdfst:

This shortcut seems to be for the most part for whatever reason, entirely forsaken by everyone who digs the pain of learning with a very dull, slow, small, short-handled shovel: squared.

I frankly, sir, take that as an insult. My very dull , slow, small, and short-handled shovel, 'referring to my intellect I believe' is at least continuing to dig.

Mr. Turtle has fallen under 'my' spiraling, bell ringing spell. While, neither you nor anyone else who's really into knowing (how and where to search for) where IT's at, is going to let it come to you, or go there and find it: for Yourself:

From the outset I've been sincerely interested in your work, however, if you continue to avoid answering the simple question which I've posed by accusing me of not looking for it, you'll only add to the ever increasing number of your hopeful but disappointed companions.

Turtle · December 2, 2005

Here is something to meditate on. I have shown the errors of using positional based number systems to figure the riddle of...

six hundred threescore & six

It is a riddle and it doer involve number. In Matthew Jesus says the first chosen is the last to go. Translation: reverse the order. So...

& six threescore sixhundred

First:The symbol [&] we read as 'and' but its full name is 'ampersan'd & its translation is 'per se, and' .(Up until the late 1800m & was the 27th letter of the alphabet) The translation for 'per se' is 'as if'. So 'as if' six. This means one. Treat six as if it is one.

Second: threescore. It is an apparent middle term, but the middle is not the center. It is not three times twenty equal sixty; it is three squared, which is nine.

Third: Do unto me as you do unto others. The middle term is masquerading as a simple multiple, but it is really a square. The sixhundred is six times one hundred and one hundred is ten squared. We do to one hundred what we did to the others, which is reverse powers to addends. Hundred here is not ten times ten, it is ten plus ten which is twenty. (twenty used the square here again to give a hidden five: foursuared times five)

Fourth: The six before is just six.

Now we add, because a thing is the sum of its parts, the very definition of six of a perfect number as described by the Pythogarians. So one plus nine plus twenty plus six equal thirty six. Thirty six is the sixth perfect square, it is the third triangular number (Pascals triangle & the binomial cooeficients), it is the second Perfect Number (One is both Perfect & Prime). Therte is much more on what six is, but You need some time to meditate on this.

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A mind in motion tends to stay in motion until acted upon by another mind. For every mind in motion, there is a congruent & opposite mind in motion. - Roger Thelonious George

Turtle · December 2, 2005

I frankly, sir, take that as an insult. My very dull , slow, small, and short-handled shovel, 'referring to my intellect I believe' is at least continuing to dig.

From the outset I've been sincerely interested in your work, however, if you continue to avoid answering the simple question which I've posed by accusing me of not looking for it, you'll only add to the ever increasing number of your hopeful but disappointed companions.

It is a complement. The dull, slow, small, and short-handled shovel IS the 6 dimensional unified field. Even after you thought you were handled a pitiful tool, you kept digging - and I might add you said as much. That is the point. It is like when JaQ solved the Bonsai plant riddle & didn't even realize it.

Time is 6 dimensional unified fields way of letting you, me, and we to keep digging.

Keep digging Infy; as will I, & he, & they. Consider this for a minute; suppose you find - learn - the answer to everything, the final theory, or however you care to phrase it. How much time have you given to what you would do with it if you 'did' find it? Keep digging at your feet Infy.

T-Shirt slogan:

I came to this lecture & all I got was a dull, slow, small, short-handled shovel.

That Rascal Puff · December 2, 2005

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Dear InfmyStdfst, Turtle, IrisEyes, Tormod and all noble souls (We know yer out there):

InfmyStfst: You didn't personally deserve that broadside just delivered to you from these coordinates. I apologize. On the other hand, it certainly applies to the (generally anonymous, ho-humming dominant TV GUIDEd and thundering herd-headed) majority. Molly, the Blue Lioness and Crazy Horse are not to blame here. I - of the non parenthenthesied narrative, was remissive in chalking my palms for that particularly binding, gymnastically tactical sortie. Everything about it was good stuff, except the fire control in Yours Truly, that targeted you.

On the other hand, Sir, I request that you take the time to read the condensation of my 627 page 5th - 1979 published and sold out - edition, with hopes that this is likely to upscale the content of either of our questions and answers to and from one another. I think you will acknowledge, I have made this request of you before. I have also made this request of Coldcreation, sergey500, and in so doing, effectively and directly implied the request that anyone on this thread - or any like - it, has been fairly and repeatedly afforded the encouragement and opportunity to truly read - not merely peruse, or 'skip over', or 'have a look at' - the referred dissertation

(With an acknowledged - quite inevitable - heck of a lot of *quotes about 'gravity' and so forth <One does not levitate or otherwise jack up the known Universe, and replace it with another one: whereas, one - or more - finds every known condition, exactly as it has been known to be, before; while one recognizes and applies those established - often extreeeemely and arduously quoted [documented/authenticated] conditions, as they have never been recognized and/or applied, before, and, as they have often been encountered and discarded as 'obviously everything isn't expanding', before> as listed on the menu)

at URL

(You know where... I'm feeling awefully mercenary, continuing to include the URL to my website, just about everwhere I post, with very few people even affording themselves an opportunity to absorb in a matter of a few hours or less, what it took me decades to decipher, assemble, compose, write, print, publish and distribute. Apparently, with a coupla ten thousand or so world wide exceptions to the rule, only Mark McCutcheon, Bkparque and a few other garland showered, greatly impersonating wannabe's <born long after my small press work was internationally distributed and otherwise scattered to the Four Winds> have actually - while all else otherwise continues to fail - read the instructions...

Turtle for example, is among those who have responded as I have always considered I would have responded, had I not authored the book, but otherwise encountered and read it. The difference between Turtle's most recently benchmarked example is, he isn't inclined to attempt to steal the authorship from this author. From what's known - here - of Turtle and the company he keeps. He - and they - would make no such attempt, even if there was a chance they might get away with it. Which chance is preposterously - refer ROTFL - non existent. Perhaps among the few 'zero' factors studded in the celestial vault <with the possible exception of Cc's pointless and apparently endless invocation of the mathematically veiled 'L1.'> This is the same guy - Cc - that until recently corrected, obsessively referred to a 'static', spatially non-expanding universe' as synonymous - rather than antithetical - to 'the De Sitter' universe?> This is the same guy who's reading the mathematics of Friedmann, as applied to Einstein's Cosmological Constant, as proof of the disqualification - rather than the confirmation - of the latter's response to Newton's unidentified impelling force. This is the guy who purports on that premise and others like it, to have gone 'beyond Einstein', with his alleged congruent 'expertise'; with a 'peer' mouse in his - 'expertise' lined - pocket, that he insists is Truly Yours . Meanwhile, neither he, nor sergey500 recognize the 4-D space-time continuum, as it continuously rises up beneath them and is the cardinal mover for every dive they insist on taking into the afore-mentioned, metaphorical deep end of the thickly nightsoiled, unchanged, ever putrefying - Big Bang Gang policed - chamberpot...

Bkparque went this route a few years ago, and finally, after repeatedly stumbling over his self eviscerated intestines, getting publicly revealed as impostering and attempting to pilfer the work of Truly Yous; has settled into proclaiming I 'stole it from Einstein', and/or 'someone else wrote it', and/or 'it isn't copyrighted and is therefore public domain', 'the authorship of which anyone may legally lay claim to'; etceteras. It doesn't seem that Bkparque even considers that the initiated take him seriously anymore, as it otherwise seems that the satisfaction he's reduced himself to, is the vainglorious format of simply disagreeing with and otherwise harassing and badrapping this author; even as he has shaken himself into realizing the futility of his formerly unchallenged, ongoing 'success', as 'the author and spokesman-authority' of K.B. Robertson's work. Apparently McCutcheon, four years after Parquette, is notably experiencing more success along these same well worn lines. <Frosty the grinning Snowman, standing tall in Coldcreation's meteorological - Absolute Zero emulating front: at Salt Flats and/or Acapulco?)

Repeat: You, Mr. Infmy, Sir. I concede, didn't deserve that; but it's likely that you do understand who does, and what I do and don't mean by that.

Thank you, Mr. InfmyStdfst, Sir. Again. Please accept my apology.

Turtle: Yer easily the consternating counterpart for how amazing you keep saying I am. That numerical sojourn may take awhile to comprehend, while the corner and the stool and duncecap are, like the works you've recently commented on, are so advanced, they're simple.

Thank you for being there and here.

- Foop

infamous · December 2, 2005

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Dear InfmyStdfst, Turtle, IrisEyes, Tormod and all noble souls (We know yer out there):

InfmyStfst: You didn't personally deserve that broadside just delivered to you from these coordinates. I apologize.

I humbly accept your apology sir.

Thank you for being there and here.
- Foop

I wll confess sir, that even though I have read your work, I did so in hast. I promise you this however, I will read it again and while doing so, I will concentrate on finding the answer to the question which I formerly posed. If after reading it again, I still have no answer, I would request that you direct me to the portion which has the information that can further enlighten me. By now sir, you must realize that I am sincerely interested and when I come looking for help with understanding, it is not meant as an attack. On the contrary, my questions are asked because I see great value in your work but unfortunately, I find one or two points which I cannot personally reconcile to my understanding. I'll get back with you after I've had a chance to read this work again.............until then........Thanks for your offering of apology and indicated desire to reconcile our differences

That Rascal Puff · December 2, 2005

Dear InfmyStdfst:

We're worth it.

Turtle is reaching and teaching both of us, it seems.

Still editing and streamlining previous composition for the Bureau of Veterans Affairs (is in the process of being bashed - then to be strung up on the net - as they never thought possible. You too will probly - along with all Readers of it, be impressed with this - other - David & Goliath - documentary yarn.). Consequently I'm somewhat preoccupied; not to say I won't be fielding the outstanding agronomists at this station, only that response time may be somewhat delayed. (That doesn't mean you can't contribute here, or for that matter at What IS space, though, that latter alternative is beginning to remind this subscriber of dialogue between adult and child persona, where the adult keeps explaining and the child - endlessly - replies: 'Why?': squared.

Repeat. What God gifted this record, is unprecedented. For this reason it is not wise to anticipate anything, including that any given answer, or question, is unanswerable, or unquestionable. Cc is a good example of a guy who expects it's cricket for Puff and everyone else to follow his series of dotted lines - numbered messages on the issued thread, or any other ( he hasn't said which other threads on whatever other websites that I know of), in order to learn what he's irreproachable about (and has 'previously accounted for'). Meanwhile, I have written and published seven editions of a book (not counting 12 essays and eight other books on different and/or related subjects); the condensed version of which is available to everyone, that very few people who are informed of it and its location, even trouble to read. Evidently they prefer requiring Truly Yours to excerpt or innovate from it, while (Yes) 'they' whine and complain about extreeeeeemely looooong posts: instead of simply reading the flocking book and coming back to me (when their socks quit rolling up & down?).

P.S. In some earlier provided instructions from IrisEyes, she served me a cup o' Wakey about improving my on line computer skills. Included was the mountain icon that enabled operator to insert illustrations(?) I still don't exactly know how that's done. I have oodles of generally pen and ink drawn illustrations I'd like to post, especially in the construction of a website, which I am completely ignorant of knowing how to do. I wish to post about a 300 page - an update on my present work, entitled TOTAL FIELD THEORY, with a hit counter and a Guest Commentary list (that can't be hacked, because anything I post that's hackable, will be. We've got some real highrollers - including truly expert computer hackers - out there who've got everything to lose, if and when my work - and my documentary reports of their responsibilities - majorly surfaces, on or off the internet: both of which occurrences are of course inescapable and imminent. The more someone like McCutcheon 'succeeds', the closer my work approaches the surface it's been carefully and desperately buried and held down from... So: wish Mr. Mark McCutcheon all the luck he can bring up from down under. Si.

(Ciao for now?)

:messenger

Turtle · December 2, 2005

P.S. In some earlier provided instructions from IrisEyes, she served me a cup o' Wakey about improving my on line computer skills. Included was the mountain icon that enabled operator to insert illustrations(?) I still don't exactly know how that's done. I have oodles of generally pen and ink drawn illustrations I'd like to post, ...TOTAL FIELD THEORY...

:messenger

Below every sreen where you actively type in your report is a 'Manage Attachments' button. Click on that & get an entry box for images. It lists what file extension (format) is allowed; jpg seems the most versatile. Note there is a file limit of both pixel size & byte size. If after you try to upload your image file you get a 'too big' message, you can shrink the image a little bit in the program you used to originally make it. Then try to attach it again etc. till it fits. Then just go back to your missive & click submit as usual. A thumbnail of your image then appears beneath your exposition. You may attach multiple images to a single post, or a single image to multiple posts, or multiple images to multiple posts; you may not post no images to no posts.:naughty:

PS After you have made all the entries in the 'Manage Attachments' box & it has accepted them, close the box by clicking the red X. It's job is done until you need it again.

That Rascal Puff · December 4, 2005

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As understood by this component of yon 'Lounge usergroup', presently there's IrishEyes, Tormod, Infmy, Turtle and Poof. Oke.

A little free association about this and that, we've more or less shared together since - and before - we homesteaded here, as it were...

What is time?

What is motion?

What is space?

What is gravity?

What's the difference between Newton's space and Einstein's space-time? What's the difference between temperature and heat?

What's the difference between absolute space and non absolute space? What's the difference between absolute time and non-absolute time?

And so on.

And so forth.

The What? How? Where? When?, Why? and Who? Are usually fairly easy to sincerely or flippantly ask, and not always so easy to responsibly answer.

Asking usually requires a lot less time and space than answering.

There seems a popular trend of interrogatives of the above general categories; when responded to - the response time and space - of an 'answer' - usually requiring more than the time and space required to ask whatever question.

The interrogators too often lean heavily toward quasi-demanding and impatiently expecting correct answers in about the same amount of time and space occupied by the questions. ('If your answer is more information than I can jot down on my thumbnail then it isn't worth consideration; is a waste of time; cannot redeem itself'; etceteras - there's a shovel full of this forever scattered... End of communication. Gridlock. <The social status quo on a lot of diversely - unecessarily and time consuming - 'misunderstood' issues; often involving public endangerment, personal - physical and psychological - security and/or life and death...>)

Whereas, speaking in general terms to which there are acknowledged exceptions, however more improved 'simpler is better' may be, often it isn't tenable, with regard to what amount of time, space and information is necessary to fullfill a correct and comprehensive answer to a reasonably submitted question (Consider the duration of Newton's PRINCIPIA <Or Homer's Odyssey>, for example, and a class full of students demanding indignantly that he 'keep it simple, stupid', for them...)

I think this rudimentary observation is fairly easy for anyone reading it to more or less align themselves with. Often agreements are arrived upon, in one or more fairly few exchanges. But those are not the kinds of communications at issue here. Presently the issue(s) are the rifely raging phenomena regarding the arts of missing the points...

Then there are the unnecessary attachments that not infrequently accompany the ping & pong (Cheech & Chong) of ('Who's on 1st?') questions and answers ('I don't know is playing outer left field'.). Some are cordial, some are testy, some provocative, and some are just plain insubordinate departures from the written and unwritten rules of simple respect for others, regarding debate and argument ('I don't give a damn is shortstop').

Enter the ad hominem disagreement - 'Your shoelaces are untied'. 'Why do you part your hair in the middle or on this or that side?', 'When is the last time you took a bath?' - shifting from the formerly agreed objective in whatever discussion about whatever subject, to issues not relevant to the initially - written or unwritten - objective of sincere communication. Transmitting and receiving with equal responsiblity.

Yes. This is rudimentary stuff here and that's what the record is presently underscoring: willfull (artfully well honed and tactically practiced) departure, diversion, delay and displacement of original subjects at issue are commonplace.

Another example from a bushel of popularly practiced samples is the pretension that what is clarified by the answerer and understood by the questioner is not understood by the questioner. ('What?', 'I can't/didn't hear or understand you'; on occasions where the questioner does hear and aunderstant the anwerer: or conversely - when the answerer falsely purports not to understand whatever question.)

This occurs on one or both sides of a given dialogue when neither or both or however many other participating persons are deliberately avoiding any resolution, which, of course, is the written or unwritten objective of Q. & A.

If the answer fullfills the question, the questioner may feel 'inferior', 'outdone', 'embarassed', 'offended', etceteras, and consequently engage and perpetuate indefinitely a departure not only from understanding the answer, but, punitively 'retaliating' against the source of the provided answer in any number of innovative ways. The same principle may apply to the asked person feigning a misunderstanding or non-reception of the asked question. And so it often goes. Squared...

Truly yours authored an essay entitled THE ART OF MISSING THE POINT: When You Can't Afford To Catch On, due to the above described, altogether too familiar form of communications gridlock - the deliberate, often highly skilled practice of sabotaging what might otherwise be symbiotically beneficial, reciprocal communication - on the transmitting and/or receiving side of whatever interaction.

To this record's way of thinking, one of the more progressive modes of proving authority and gracefully allowing others to recognise it, is to tell them what they already knew, but had not previously heard or read - a vocabulary for. Then, they aren't obliged to 'take your word for it'. Then, it isn't altogether 'new'.

It is a fact that the general human response to anything new is an aversion from - if not a hostility toward it (whatever, not counting the magnetism of the word 'new<!>', regarding marketing saleable items, in which case the word 'New', draws people to - rather than averts them from - it. Whatever is being sold.).

Having said that and moving right along. The internet is a direct parody of the social world, with or without any example or record of what happens - how people relate to one another; including elaborate, aversive, diversive, retreat or attack methods of (millinnea aged, recently *vocabularized), responsibly or irresponsibly, morally or immorally practiced *'verbal judo', et al, on - and, with a much more extended and practiced history, off - the internet.

(Open the - or your - doors to the world, and, be not surprised when it individually and collectively walks, crawls, limps, runs, drives, flies or stampedes in'. - TRP)

Reconsidering the consequently inspired title: THE ART OF MISSING THE POINT: When You (Don't think you can, or) Can't Afford To Catch On.

Sorta like A MOVEABLE VIETNAM: A Continental Misunderstanding. (More about that, later.)

Please further consider the following purportations. They're well known, often heard and spoken, but, so far as this record knows, never before anthologized and lined up as the flat footed quackspeaking one and two liners that they prove themselves to be. (Does this sound familiar?):

"There is no they.

If there is a 'they', they aren't doing it.

If they are doing it, they aren't doing it on purpose.

If they're doing it on purpose, they're only doing it for the money.

If they're doing it for the money, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Nobody cares.

It doesn't make any difference, and, one more thing:

I am not into denial."

A disciplined chant of impotence.

A mundane mantra of surrender.

In this case, the vocabulary flourishes, but the recognition of it is rare to none existent, and, it (the revealing description of it as it occurs here) certainly isn't in - and is carefully kept out of - mainstream consciousness. It might be called a lot of things and one of them is 'crazy-making'. Another word conspicuously absent by omission from mainstream consciousness. The exemplary word, 'crazymaking', in four syllables and two words is far too descriptive, you see, of what is really happening, from the top of the list of programs in the latest issue of TV GUIDE, trickling on down through the matrix of 'all those channels - all those choices'. ('The Dreaded Year - 1984 - Is Upon Us. Where Is Big Brother?' - The feature article on the cover of TIME magazine, 1 January, 1984. This publication by this massively distributed media, with that question, at that time, highlighted a dissertation about how George Orwell's book - 1984 - and it's predictions about a TV and corporate state dominated, mind controlling government, had not actually come to pass, when 'the dreaded year' came upon us, as of 1 January 1984. Summarizing that 'George Orwell's predictions are ridiculous'. In those words.'

Now, that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is a model example of the very state of affairs the 1 January 1984 issue of TIME magazine is found in full throttle - Orwellian NewSpeak, DoubleThink denial of... Smithsonian Institute exhibition quality of how correct George Orwell's predictions (in your face) are in fact found to be ('We are not bombing Hanoi'. /'JFK triangulated and shot himself'./ 'The Vietnam War will be over by Christmas '67'. / 'I am not a crook'./ 'Read my lips. No new taxes.' /'I did not have sex with that woman!'

Another tree of leaves in the forest generally unseen:

There are a half dozen axiomatic subjects that are at the locus, sometimes in combination, regarding what issues are most related to domestic and international disagreement, argument, misunderstanding, violence and war.

Truly Yours calls them 'The Big Six. The Horrible Half Dozen':

Money.

Sex.

Religion.

Race.

Weapons.

The desire for, pursuit of and acquirement of social recognition.

Yes. This is really basic stuff. Whereas, what makes it particularly noteworthy is the popular denial of all of the above:

1. "I am not hung up about Money."

2. Sex.

3. Religion

4. Race

5. *Weapons

(*Physical power of whatever manifestation. Re: F.Nietzche's 'Will To Power'.)

6. I am not in pursuit of - don't wish for - the acquirement of social recognition, attention and love.

Resolution: No real problem or assemblage of problems can be alleviated when surrounded by a policy of diminished importance or abject denial. Re: 'Gridlock'.

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As we are gathered round the WATER COOLER and percolating cups o'wakey, we are all aware of the recently controversied thread:

'What IS space', commenced by sergey500.

Many Hypography forumites have participated and made numerous and wide spectrum, educational and thought provoking contributions to it. Today's date is 3 December 05 and beginning not long ago some particularly high profile bumps in the road have occurred and continue to washboard our 4 x4's & shock absorbers.

Truly Yours recently took a sabbatical from that thread for reasons expressed on that thread, and here in the Private Messages corridors, atriums, vestibules and kiosks. Very well.

Regarding space and physics.

Space may or not be occupied or unoccupied by whatever you wish to name or everything you wish to exclude.

Metric, functional space is the interval seperating the occurrence of physical entities. As TRP pointed out in sergey500's thread, all that is seen by the human eye has moved through space to physically contact the retina's rod's and cones, sensory devices exactly comparable to those ganglionic nerve systems sensing 'touch', throughout the epidermal organ of human skin and frame. Tormod and/or Turtle commented that my usage of the term 'mamallian' eye might not be sufficient to complete the otherwise optometrically valid point that is made here, regarding the reality of space constituted of the light energy that is otherwise vacuously perceived to merely 'pass through it'. Again, refer 'functional' and 'metric' space.

A regular contributor to sergey500's thread - What IS space, along with sergey500 himself, has proclaimed that the thread's apparently insatiable thematic interrogative has not been answered up to. Duly noted. Truly Yours has - and several other un named forumites have - been told that he hasn't -they haven't - read all of Cc's contributions on the existing thread. How Cc gathered such a conclusion is beyond the ken of this narrative. Cc's contention is that he has provided answers that others do not seem to be answering up to; attributing this to an allegory non-reading of his allegedly provided answers. Whereas, Cc overtly proclaims himself 'guilty' of not having read this record's book on gravity and related issues, at http://einstein.periphery.cc/ .

Perhaps Cc and his ilk are of the faith that if they refuse to go to the mountain, that the existence of the Himalayas or Matterhorn may be eliminated from their - interchangeably - well established coordinates, and that only-lineson paper are incapable of figuratively levitating and moving the beckoned mountains to hover over the bivouc'd Hypography Science Forums camp (and Down Under, also, for that exemplary matter); releasing the unanticipated grasp on the subjected mountain as it looms over whomever deigns - or however many gather together - to defy its transportation to unanticipated heights directly above the emerged - spaced out - off key forumite fiddlers, and allow gravity to further and summarily close the chronically and flippantly denied brokerage at hand.

(What space is or is not, may or may not be, is permitted or disallowed from amounting to, continued.)

"It was formerly believed that if all material things disappeared out of the universe, time and space would be left. According to the relativity theory, howwever, time and space disappear together with the things."

- Einstein, EINSTEIN, THE LIFE & TIMES, Ronald W. Clark, p. 469

"It is evident that the popular conviction that a generalized field theory is unable to explain the problems of the discontinuous structure of matter and quantum mechanics rests upon prejudice."

- Einstein, PHYSICS & REALITY

(Out of the Journal of the Franklin Institute, Vol. 221 #3/ March 1936)

"... I do not believe it is justifiable to ask, 'What would physics look like without gravitation." - Einstein, IDEAS & OPINIONS, p.p. 352 - 3

"It is agreed on all hands that the only principle which could serve as the basis of quantum theory would be one that constituted a translation of a field theory into the scheme of quantum statistics."

- Einstein, IDEAS & OPINIONS, p. 334

"'Empty space' is not the absence of 4-D matter, but rather, a physical 5 & 6 dimensional (electromagnetic) extension of it." - TRP p. 60 GRAVITY IS THE 4th DIMENSION, by Kent B. Robertson Copyright August 1988

"No amount of collection of facts could lead to these equations unless the Principle of General Relativity were used. This is the reason why all attempts to obtain a deeper knowledge of the foundations of physics seem doomed to me unless the basic concepts are in accordance with General Relativity from the beginning." - Albert Einstein, IDEAS & OPINIONS, p. 352.

"An Accelerating Universe?"

"...that most reasonable observational data.... fit closely all models to which the expansion is accelerating. "The prediction of accelerating expansion is contrary to expectation... "and that something must be terribly wrong."..."The net forces between (receding) glaxies really are repulsive". - SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, December 1975, James E. Gunn and Beatrice M. Tinsley.

"...Descarte was not so far from the truth when he believed he must exclude the existence of an empty space. The notion indeed appears absurd as long as physical reality is seen exclusively in ponderable bodies. It requires the idea of the field as the representative of reality, in combination with the General Principle of Relativity, to show the true kernel of Descarte's idea, 'there exists no space empty of field'."

- Einstein, p.p.375 - 6, IDEAS & OPINIONS.

"Regarding the tenability of gravitation as an impelling force, paralleled by the Cosmological Constant as a repelling force, a natural and complementary occurrence of this apparently incongruous ambiguity exists and prevails in the fact that omnidirectional electric field lines around a positive charge are directed away from the center of the charge; whereas, the field lines around a negative charge move inward, toward the center of the charge." - K.B. Robertson, p. 221, GRAVITY IS THE 4th DIMENSION, Copyright 1979.

"I do find gravity an attractive force at times." - K.B.Robertson. Ibid.

"The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth, space by itself and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality." - Hermann Minkowski, 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists & Physicists, 1908.

"Matter and space are seen to be inseperable and interdependent parts of a single whole." - Fritjov Capra, THE TAO OF PHYSICS, p. 208

"According to the physicist-philosopher Ernst Mach... material objects not only determine the structure of the surrounding space, but are in turn influenced by their environment in an essential way."

- Fritjov Capra, THE TAO OF PHYSICS, p. 209

"In one of the most reckless and sweeping generalisations in the history of thought, Newton filled the entire space of the Universe with interacting forces of attraction, issuing from all particles of matter and acting upon all particles of matter across the boundless abysses of darkness."

- Arthur Koestler, THE SLEEPWALKERS

"In reality, mathematics can say very little about the 4th dimension. There is nothing in the hypothesis (*sic, i.e., 'theory' is the word Ouspensky strangely side-steps here) of the 4th dimension that would make it inadmissable from a mathematical point of view, this hypothesis (*sic) does not contradict any of the accepted axioms and, because of this, does not meet with particular opposition on the part of mathematics. Mathematicians even admit the possibility of establishing the relationship that should exist between 3-D and 4-D space, i.e., certain properties of the 4th Dimension. But they do all this in a very general and indefinite form. No exact definition of the 4th Dimension exists (*sic) in mathematics (*as opposed to the fact that an exact definition does exist in geometry, and, whereby mathematics is by routine academic-scientific standards, authoritatively based).

"The basis of the denial of the fourth dimension, which has been supported by the theoretical and fallacious plane and cubical geometry, has been the inability to produce an additional or fourth perpendicular to a cube, as the basis of an additional power multiplication, whereas, poor little plane arithmetic and algebra, without geomentrical reference, being abstract, indicate the perfect ability to do so.

"Very rightly do they do so, for if the geometrist will go back to his first perpendicular, he will find it perpendicular to a sphere, for did he not assume a dot as his first basis of a geometrical theorem, which if conceded at all, must be spheroidal. Matter, if existent at all (and we cannot fallaciously assume a truth that is not), must be spheroidal. Surely the 'PlaneAndSolid' geometrist does not claim his 'dot' or 'point' to be cubical, for then he would have no further cause for his progressive antics. We see that there is no cubism, and that we can have as many perpendiculars to the inside or outside of the sphere as we may wish. Each power raising, or root taking, is on the basis of spheroidal increase or decrease by that many units of its radial or time dimension. The only 'straight line' then is the radial or time line, demonstrated by spheroidal dissection on its radial axis. There is also much laughter at the 'Plane&Solids'. - R Buckminster Fuller, 4-D TIMELOCK, p. 17

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The unctuous opposition, while calling the (culpably admitted, unread) work of Truly Yours, an 'hypothesis', finding lush (velcro insured?) refuge in Lagrange Points 'L1 through L5'.

As some long time Readers of this record already know, among his favored methods of remaining sunny side up, is the yarn orbiting the rare troika consensus of the 3-body problem, the non-sequitur and the oxymoron. Wherein the triangular elements assemble to agree that two wrongs don't make a right, while on the other hand, three or more do... Advancing furthermore to compromise what was otherwise the securely sealed can of whoopaz, clearly labeled: 'Don't Open This'. Proceeding to ignore the instructions along with the (Black Hills inspired mountains they are carved in...

Something about 0 gravity at the intersection of orbiting and centrifugally spinning points, as applied to different Earthly and lunar conditions and those of other planets along with their relationships with the solar center of the considered Lagrange employed system(s), L1 thru L5.

Wherein, the mountain mover and his host of unidentified but certainly bountiful if unrevealed acolytes submit that gravity and whatever else constitutes space, is non-existent at certain 'Points' (don't exist), where centrifugally spinning and axially orbiting forces negate one another so as to render themselves cloaked into nothingness, from the Final Frontiered, Everything Theory and Mr. Spock, so the mountain mover and his string of carbiner's insist, while thinsulated from reality, in the depths of outer space.

An incontestably riveting quirk.

And now this series of deeply

snow capped, coldly created

and chilled out, lofty informations:

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Lagrange Points

Positions in space where the gravitational pull of the two large masses precisely equals the centripetal force required to rotate with them.

Systematic Errors

Measurement errors that are not random.

Theory

A scientifically testable general principle or body of principles offered to explain observed phenomena. In scientific usage, a theory is distinct from a hypothesis (or conjecture) that is proposed to explain previously observed phenomena. For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed. A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory.

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Wikipedia

Lagrangian point

In celestial mechanics, the Lagrangian points, (also Lagrange point, L-point, or libration point) are the five stationary solutions of the circular restricted three-body problem. For example, given two massive bodies in circular orbits around their common center of mass, there are five positions in space where a third body, of negligible mass, could be placed which would then maintain its position relative to the two massive bodies. As seen in a frame of reference which rotates with the same period as the two co-orbiting bodies, the gravitational fields of two massive bodies combined with the centrifugal force are in balance at the Lagrangian points, allowing the third body to be stationary with respect to the first two bodies.

In 1772, the famed French mathematician Joseph Louis Lagrange was working on the infamous three-body problem when he discovered an interesting quirk in the results. Originally, he had set out to discover a way to easily calculate the gravitational interaction between arbitrary numbers of bodies in a system, because Newtonian mechanics conclude that such a system results in the bodies orbiting chaotically until there is a collision, or a body is thrown out of the system so that equilibrium can be achieved. The logic behind this conclusion is that a system with one body is trivial, as it is merely static relative to itself; a system with two bodies is very simple to solve for, as the bodies orbit around their common center of gravity. However, once more than two bodies are introduced, the mathematical calculations become very complicated. A situation arises where you would have to calculate every gravitational interaction between every object at every point along its trajectory. Lagrange, however, wanted to make this simpler. He did so with a simple conclusion: The trajectory of an object is determined by finding a path that minimizes the action over time. This is found by subtracting the potential energy from the kinetic energy. With this way of thinking, Lagrange re-formulated the classical Newtonian mechanics to give rise to Lagrangian mechanics. With his new system of calculations, Lagrange’s work led him to hypothesize how a third body of negligible mass would orbit around two larger bodies which were already orbiting one another.

This third body at specific points in its orbit would become stationary to one of its host bodies (planets), these points were named “Lagrangian points” in Lagrange's honor.

In the more general case of elliptical orbits, there are no longer stationary points in the same sense: it becomes more of a Lagrangian “area” where the third body makes small odd-shaped orbits about the invisible Lagrangian point; these orbits are commonly referred to as halo orbits. The Lagrangian points constructed at each point in time as in the circular case form stationary elliptical orbits which are similar to the orbits of the massive bodies. This is due to the fact that Newton's second law, p = mv (p the momentum, m the mass, and v the velocity), remains invariant if force and position are scaled by the same factor. That a body at a Lagrangian point orbits with the same period as the two massive bodies in the circular case implies that it has the same ratio of gravitational force to radial distance as they do. This fact is independent of the circularity of the orbits, and it implies that the elliptical orbits traced by the Lagrangian points are solutions of the equation of motion of the third body."

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Conclusion:

The taunting mountain movers, citing innercircle space probe vocabulary and future plans for orbiting space labs, have highly and mightily conquered the Matterhorn and Himilaya's, along with Mt. McKinley, St. Helena and Vesuvius. Purloining parallels to Jimi Hendrix electric axe and lyrics, lip synching, 'Fall mountain. Just don't fall on me'. Stealing a series of heavily pressing, sloppy wet kisses directly on to the thin lips of Albert's double bit lambda. A functional gravity and electromagnetic exterminating, empty space creating crowd of swinging talismen, beyond any reasonable redoubt, free-fall, spatial curvature, dilated ROLEX or precipitous parapet.

The consternated record may only marvel at the awe inspiring seismic enormity of the incontestable oratory and typographically tarred Botero (- Spic 'n Spanglish), along with every email linkage established in the internet joined chain of carbiner bonded pyramid climbers :D , since Bkparque's 12/'99 dated initial solo ascent to the top of El Capitan :xx: in Yellowstone National Park, where he enrolled in the world Yodling Competition (All the way to Sydney? :D <Are you ready to Rumble? ;) ).

Holding no other graven images before me and my shadow.

I remain (until further inspiration from the threaded oracle?) altogether indentured to orthodontic science and mental health.

- Ffup. :messenger

(Don't tell anybody about this, OK?) :naughty:

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Turtle · December 4, 2005

:naughty: In other words Langranian points/areas by not accounting for the expansion of space as a variable, rule it out as a possibility. In your [refering to Puff] ever expanding 6 way unified field exposition as I understand it so far, one would expect to find stable body systems solutions in multiples of three bodies.

I do have to ask why they qualify the third body as 'negligible mass'? Nice to communicate from you as always at right angles.

Turtle

That Rascal Puff · December 4, 2005

:D

:naughty: In other words Langranian points/areas by not accounting for the expansion of space as a variable, rule it out as a possibility. In your [refering to Puff] ever expanding 6 way unified field exposition as I understand it so far, one would expect to find stable body systems solutions in multiples of three bodies.
I do have to ask why they qualify the third body as 'negligible mass'? Nice to communicate from you as always at right angles.
Turtle

"Anyone may - has the unarguable power to - agree or disagree with anyone else, at any time, anywhere, about anything, for any reason or lack of reason." - K.B.Robertson

Allow that Tormod and InfamouSteadfast are in a tug of war with a strong length of jump rope tautly twanging between them; each man having a firm grip with his heels dug in. Allow that neither man wins the power struggle because both are evenly matched and skilled.

Q. Does this mean that there is no force acting between the two men?

A. The conclusion of neutralization equalling 0 force is one of mathematics and non-metric geometry, not functional, metric space.

The 'Point 0' is when & where each of whatever or however many forces functionally neutralize one another. We may even correctly say that such interfaces have more forces than regular spaces due to the presiding - granted, mutually and/or collectively neutralizing intersection of the issued - however many - forces.

Moreover, a 'Point', does not exist; not even in one dimension, or two, or three or four, five or six. It is a location in space; the only 'nothing' it has to do with is, it has nothing to do with Mr. Cc's - or anyone else's - argument.

As any attentive Reader may note of the more recent posts, both sergey 500 and particulary Cc, are thumbing their noses at everyone, particularly targeting this record and InfmyStfst (so far) - prodding, challenging, proclaiming a very well established anthology of world class theories as being hypothetical. Yes. TRP is stood aside, marking the fathoms of line let out to test the unfathomed depths, while the line handlers continue to shout out pinkly smoking nautical (deep space?) terms, such as, 'Mark L1!", "Mark L-2" etceteras, so far up to L-5....

Langrange isn't misunderstanding any of this. It's Cc's spell binding exotica.

Far 'beyond', while second guessing and completely misunderstanding Einstein. Cc is not merely 'ignorant' - we're all ignorant of most everything there is to learn.

No. Cc is aggressively arrogant, an archtypical symptom of a source of non authority, compensating for that with a 'command voice', for example. The practioner is a video game mesmerized bully, mimicing his imagined stamp and signature of authority. As though on the main deck of a three-master, shouting orders to haul in this panel, slack that one; swing the wind from the other; full starboard rudder. Five bells and all's well...

That he may appear as a corsair cutting through the briney chop with a bone in his teeth. Masterfully zig-zagging his way around every swaying spar and about every bobbing stick in the bay. Never heard of horse latitudes or the meaning and consequence of becalmed.

Let the laggard run with it sez aye aye.

P.S. The last missive, mentioning the titular, 'Big Six Horrible Half dozen', is supposed to read: 'Big Sicks Horrible Half Dozen.' (Very well then. Stand at ease and let the emboldened brigadier continue to run himself further aground round the igneousl created, cool Christened jetty.)

Did this keyboard ever tell you guys that she useta be a Browning Automatic Rifle? (After I was a dog, and before I was a keyboard.)

Well then. Know ye this. Remington Rand not only manufactured typewriters with keyboards and all the lever action and spoke geared, slide action, receiver rod activated accoutrements. A Pulitzer Prize winning documentary of the Vietnam War - FIRE IN THE LAKE, by Ms. Frances Fitzgerald, finds the Rand Co., among the chief architects of that - ongoing - debacle.

Remington Rand also manufactured Browning Automatic Rifles. Sub contracted Browning's patent, with the original inventor and his family drawing royalties. Si. A lot of Colt firearms are manufactured the same way in several European countries (the Weapons industry <particularly hi tech, heavy duty weapons, engaging chemical, steel, rubber and electronics industries> being second only to petroleum, as the most powerful, wealthy and influential corporate state institutions in el mundo. The lineage of the Teutonic Terror's Krupp family casts much exemplary - since, far out-shined - light on the confluence of the corporate states mergence with upper echelon politics and the military. The jack-booted creation of international conflict, only humanly being the Wall Street of international Death Merchants for hundreds of years.)

Anyways, Molly Keyboard MacColley is a living legacy of the study and engagement of Mongolian method of information gathering, patience, and making near that which was formerly distant, and easy, that which was formerly difficult.

(((Very easy to follow. Ms. MacColley leaves paper, offal and entrails of perforated, scattered 'n strewn Fascists 'n black pentangled SSecret SSocieties, wherever she goes, and wherever they've been. Has made easily as many - updated - enemies as Dwight David Eisenhower in the early '40's)))

The last particularly noteworthy time Molly the Mighty man-killer was annoyed enough to carry out this methodology, it was resolved in her alphabetically arranged, 26 lettered sooper keyboard: master blasting the opposition into so many crimson-spinning pieces and splattering slivers of soft and hard tissue, that the souvenier seeking tourists in New York state began shaking uncounted dog tags and sundry personal effects, out of the trees in Central Park, and will be for at least the next dozen or so major election campaigns.

(((The Lady doesn't miss much.)))

((Empress of the V Ring))

Master Blaster.

(Home on the range?)

Consider that any thing in creation is worth waiting to cool out for.

(The best is yet to arrive.)

2,700 foot seconds. 72,000 # propulsion pressure. 172 grain full metal armor piercing jacket. Semi -S- and fully automatic -F- selector switch. Load 'n lock, Roll 'n Rock. Six rounds per second cyclic rate. Every fifth missile a bright rosada tracer. Unlimited stock of pyrotechnically proofed out projectile throwers with as many scores - sans Maggie's Drawer's - of fully occupied magazines. 20 rounds 'n twenty pounds. Nothing to negotiate. No if's, but's, maybe's or perhaps's. No prisoners. No way out.

(((Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs.)))

(When you have secured an area, don't be remiss to tell the enemy.)

When the cooly created attack is going really well. It's an ambush.

The ignored enemy diversion is the main attack force.

When the designated enemy is in range: so are you.

((When in doubt: empty your magazine? :naughty: ))

(Remember: all of what TRP writes in these unimportantly confidential confines mustn't be leaked out in any way, manner or form?)

Carry on.

(Love is coming to us all?)

- Ffup.

:xx:

Turtle · December 5, 2005

In other words a nest of six horns. Everything cracks open by threes & the twist is the doubling over[two right turns away from everything that there is to turn away from so far] which is the sixes. Why do we not grow as the Nautilis? The fact is we do, but by five right angles removed in a six dimensional space where straight back & forth tensegretic movement is the first dimension, ie. the line.

It is turtles all the way down & turtles all the way up. Three way cracking opens of one thing. I feel a walkabout coming on.

:Glasses:

Addendum. Plato's Republic Book X

infamous · December 5, 2005

I feel a walkabout coming on.

I think I'm ready to take that walk with you and Puff; I've reconciled the few points of misunderstanding which I formerly had difficulty with, and I did this by taking Puffs advice and re-readiing his work at a more leisurely pace.

If you remember the calculations which I had previously introduced to this forum entitled G-111, the same may find compatability with this new and better understanding about the true nature of gravity. This vision has given me encouragement to resurrect a neglected interest in these figures. It might be possible to find a method for the introduction of mathematical evidence into this theory that could generate attention within officialdom. I'm confident that Puff has demonstrated many logical proofs, however, a mathematical framework for this theory would have a great impact upon the powers that be. To this end, I will be spending a great deal of effort pursuing this goal, and frankly Turtle, I think your understanding of Buckminster Fuller's work can fit nicely into the mix also. I must confess, this new vision into the true nature of gravity has given me an energy and purpose that's been lacking for many years. Thank you Mr. Rascal Puff , I've joined the ranks of the hereticial, outlandering, alien to contemporary, anti-establishment, anti-standard model, new wave cult, known as......... Fraternal order of Gravity is the 4th dimension.

That Rascal Puff · December 5, 2005

I think I'm ready to take that walk with you and Puff; I've reconciled the few points of misunderstanding which I formerly had difficulty with, and I did this by taking Puffs advice and re-readiing his work at a more leisurely pace.

:xx:
If you remember the calculations which I had previously introduced to this forum entitled G-111, the same may find compatability with this new and better understanding about the true nature of gravity. This vision has given me encouragement to resurrect a neglected interest in these figures. It might be possible to find a method for the introduction of mathematical evidence into this theory that could generate attention within officialdom. I'm confident that Puff has demonstrated many logical proofs, however, a mathematical framework for this theory would have a great impact upon the powers that be.
To this end, I will be spending a great deal of effort pursuing this goal, and frankly Turtle, I think your understanding of Buckminster Fuller's work can fit nicely into the mix also. I must confess, this new vision into the true nature of gravity has given me an energy and purpose that's been lacking for many years. Thank you Mr. Rascal Puff , I've joined the ranks of the hereticial, outlandering, alien to contemporary, anti-establishment, anti-standard model, new wave cult, known as......... Fraternal order of Gravity is the 4th dimension.

Dear IrishEyes, InfmyStdfst, Turtle, Tormod 'n Puff

(Aren't a lot of folks left out of this address, on this 'private message' frequency. How private must it be; for what duration?):

Just seated to write ourselves a brief note:

Now you apparently know, InfmyStdfst, that educating yourself in a matter of hours, what you might otherwise not learn, or learn from what is becoming an ever expanding cluster of Final and Everything Theories to OutTheory all others - many unabashedly lifted from my work and some either feigning ignorance of my work and impersonating original authorship, or, having absorbed the information as it - quite literally if modestly - circulated through the world science dilletantes in bytes of information derived from the 1959 - and since, repeatedly published and distributed work at issue here, or, those who were (somehow) not likewise informed of any of my work - its foundations being those of the established firmament of old and new theoretical physics, and simply and inevitably recognized what I recognized and were likewise and consequently compelled to write an essay or book of it.

The record has spoken of all this before, including the fact that it is a matter of internet crawler archived chronological history, that. before 12/'99 - when Bkparque approached this non-internet using or accessed author, and requested what he then called 'the honor' of posting my work on the internet. (I gave him two discs with a lot of my work including Gravity IsThe4th D. on it.)....

Ever since then, first Parquette, and then a series of others since, have posted discussions directly related to or lifted from the 12/'99, Bkparque posts. Google and other chronologically sequenced crawlers prove out that 'Gravity is the 4th Dimension', and all the following internet talk about dimensions were not on the net until after 12/'99. (Documented gainsay is warmly invited.)

Now, my work and directly related and inspired subjects abound. Very few of them acknowledging the originality of my work and it's informational and chronological precedence over - quite - all others (and, there are a number of posts who use my name and - for better and worser - proclaim that I said or did what I have not agreed with or done); until if and when anyone may prove precedence - preceding 1959 written, published, distributed essays and then a series of small press, widely distributed and absorbed - sold out - books/editions of my work. Si. Until If and when this happens I will congratulate and respectfully yield my original authorship to whoever may prove themelves the author of it, before Truly Yours.

Until such time, the information has in fact, ostensibly, functionally and recently become an 'every man for himself', 'free fire zoned', 'publicly domained' issue, for the most part, camouflaged as 'original work' with any number of authors and titles, along with a spate of discussions on 'dimensions', and a newly fashionable trend toward issues directly related to those included in or otherwise directly inspired by my work.

(Yes. That's what it says: 'My Work'. By all means keep notes and questions, statements, augmentations, arguments, disqualifications - and/or congratulations, are singularly and plurally welcome).

Truly Yours is not asking anyone to believe his work, or the above described, nothing less than relatively recent, socio-scientific phenomenological vapor trails in the wake of this original missile, I mean missive.

Does it (imitation is the highest form of compliment) trouble me?

Think and believe - including be ignorant of - what anyone may. When I was first told by internet surfers who had read my book decades ago and knew Bkparque to be the clown that he's since insisted on elaborately proving his expletive deleted, manure slinging self to be (before I was on the net and not long after 12/'99); that Bkparque was posting my work and firstly implying and then overtly calling himself the author, all the way up to and impersonating authorship in the form of speaking with my 'voice', without my knowledge (to me, computers were word processors only, until 9/'02 when a neighbor friend plugged me into the internet). All of this was known to me via reliable sources, including those who were not only well versed in my work decades ago, but also becoming the same witnesses to the undeniable (net crawler archived) fact that the now trendy international, internet vehicularized discourse emerging from my work, did not in fact exist before 12/'99...

(The ongoing dissertation is in response to any question of whether or not this 'troubles', or otherwise disconcerts Truly Yours, and, moving right along with regard to that question...)

When Bkparque was found out, he's since continued, publicly associating himself with my work and myself personally (he introduced himself to me and requested a copy of my condensed work, then volunteered to post it, under the witnessship of his - at that time - co-workers, and dozens of clientele, many of whom were likewise familiar with my work for decades and witnessed Bkparquette's would-be displacement of this author with himself, regarding my work). Noteworthy, since - the vain replications of the original sceptre, that, since Parquette attempted to purloin it from K.B.Robertson (KBR- TRP, Truly Yours, etceteras), he's encountered what has become the internet manifest chain reactions of pilfering from no small (and ever expanding?) numbers of those who he educated to think were - and still are - stealing it from him...

As the record has said before, of all these considerations are expediting the distribution of the knowledge I've been attempting to place in mainstream consciousness since 1959. This record only superficially 'knows' BRIAN KIRK PARQUETTE(!); having become aware of his existence and consequently acquainted with him thence, under the circumstances as above described, in late '99. A dozen VFW membershipped Vietnam Vet comrades who met him in what became his nearly daily uninvited visits to my domicile, along with the owners of ZACHARY's (Tom & Kathy's) restaurant across the street from me at that time, and about half of the 30 employees of that establishment, are witness to all of this; including at least a dozen law enforcement officers on the Santa Cruz Police Force... A score of whom have read my book. This is also true, to a lesser degree, of the San Francisco police and civilian public, since 1970.

These are relatively recent witnesses to my publications, which have been known to - if not read by - literally tens of thousands of people, quite literally, all over the world...

(They didn't know what telephone number to dial either - the mainstream media and 'scientific community' <a misnomer> only tickled it a few times and then went back to 'more important issues': squared <not indirectly related to misunderstandings of 'cubism'?>. Then came the internet, and since 12/'99; Paul Harvey is not the only broadcaster and listening audience who now know the rest of the story <knows you now?>...)

Of course the work is sensational and the time of it's emergence in mainstream media - mostly due to the internet <the likes of Tormod, Turtle, IrishEyes 'n last but certainly far from least: InfamousSteadfast> - draws nigh.

As for original authorship, with the qualifications Truly Yours has always attached: my work - even if preceded <which ain't likely> is patently unstealable.

Though efforts to do so are most recenty well known, accompanied by the inevitable accountabilities and consequences - and at least some of those who are already on internet archived record will inevitably become even more 'famous' than they've already made themselves... For the 'college try' - the desperate and coolie created measures to claim credit for what is not theirs as well as take the place of who they overtly or covertly despise...

Parquette has paraded through relevant ranks throughout Santa Cruz, California and especially via internet email; which cascaded down upon him when he posted my work. He was soon befriended by a 42 year seasoned - ever growing - line of *Robertson Family Conspiracy - ROFACO participants and complicitors (Re: the faction story at *http://einstein.periphery.cc/machine_1 thru _4), hastily following their lead (four minutes of daily hate per NewSpeaking Orwellian plagiarizer and - only kidding around - practitioner of various forms of upside down and backwards worshipping satanism :naughty:, squirming with 'verbal judoism' and other poorly pronounced words for destructively applied neurolinguistic programming, behavior modification, psychomolecular restructuring, operant conditioning and any number of other fancifully swinging 'n strutting dangling participles relating to common brainwashing and malevolent propaganda).

Bkparquette has since been transformed, for his automatically recognized station of having the - very sudden - internet ability to win, influence, be a stooge and enthusiastically walk point for so many friends and people in such a short period of time (Rush in where Angels will not tread). On several so far ineradicable internet posts, calling himself the 'author' of my work and calling Truly Yours, personally, just about every abominably deleted expletive that he - and his - have proved and continue to prove themselves to be. (*'Fingering' and 'targeting' little ol me.)

*For having been the first to recognize what is, once it is pointed out, the inescapably - humiliatingly - obvious (Gravity Is The 4th Dimension, and all the formerly mysterious facts contingent to it that are correspondingly decyphered and comprehended - without mathematics. Si.); massively confirmed on the most revered foundations of modern theoretical physics, blossomed from the historical roots of today's gardens (and fields?) of science.

Hey, Turtle, is this what you have in mind when you say your feel a 'walkabout' in the works? Argh-ha Mate. Rock Steady. Moreover, we are aware that InfmySteadfast always gave this entire behemoth the respectful benefit of a doubt, and very likely has some notable contributions to make to it...

What I've always looked forward to, the very most. I fully expect that with the distribution and popularisation of this work, ideas, comprehensions, realizations, and yes, things - especially effecting theoretical physics, astronomy, cosmology, cosmogony and the hardware of hi-tech, but also effecting quite every subject on and off the formally drawn educational curriculum. Si. Consciousness - and self esteem - expanding. Yo.

The authors of the seam-ripping and balloon bursting Final 'n Everything theories may take their rightfully earned places in academic, educational, socio-political and phenomenological world history.

(Seque to audiotape recorded, hi decibel broadcast of thundering applause and universal gestures of whoopaz compromised approval?)

Mustn't forget to mention to you, Sir: Mr. InfmyStdfst. The 'Fraternity of the 4th Dimension' is a great idea as well as countenance.

However, we mustn't forsake IrishEyes and all of the Fair Gender she so swimmingly, water wingingly and bouyantly represents. Were it not for the influence of my mother, Martta, and babysitter, Ione, and about a dozen other Demi-Godesses, certainly including my ineffably beloved wife, the source - Cup (and optional Chalice) O' Wakey - of all this - so far, relatively marginal - controversy would not have arrived at this time...

Not this 'early', anyway (45 years later? In the age of 'instant communications'? That's a discovery - and expose - of itself. Yup.).

Another thing, surely the participants of this private message sector understand they have a license not only to invite worthy others, but also to openly speak of and release any and all information authored by Truly Yours.

The sign offs preceding this one, saying: 'Don't tell anybody about this, Okay?' (Etceteras) Are purely the song of a lark. (Hark?) Whereas, on the other hand, we reckon you - plurally - already understood that.

(Well. If they did. What in the heck are they waiting for? We merely found this gift from God, must we continue to be its singular public representative, indefinitely? It's here forever, whereas we're altogether ephemeral here. < 'Do I dare move? Do I dare change the universe? - Refer, Alfred Prufrock's Eternal Question. Duh?>)

Hey. Invite friends and foe alike. Let any who may listen understand that, if they don't like this news, they are altogether welcome to come or go out and make some of their own.

And that's (not by any means all of) the rest of the story.

Thank you for being. :xx:

- Foop

infamous · December 6, 2005

Thank you sir, 'That Rascal Puff' for taking the time and trouble to enlighten us with your vision of gravitational reality. For myself at least, the journey has just begun, I sense many new and marvelous things to come as a result of this revelation. I am at a loss to express how excited I am about my new found enthusiasm, and I can't wait to start thrashing a few ideas about that have come to me as a result of this new knowledge. Thank you once again for this wonderful revelation of gravity. If I, through any effort, can add any thing to this theory, you will be the first with which I will share it............Infy

That Rascal Puff · December 6, 2005

Dear Tormod and/or Turtle:

What think you of this?

Originally Posted by That Rascal Puff

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Dear Hearts: TRP wished to exclude the code (HTML?) from the below text, and then be able to access it for further editing. It is the latest advanced update of GIT4thD, but I don't know how to delete the code from the text. If this can be done, I ask that it be sent back to me 'decoded', or, posted somewhere where I can access and edit it.

Below is the first sample of the text I wish to exclude the 'code' from. Only allowed to send 6000 characters at a time. If it can be 'decoded', I guess it'll have to be sent a lot of small packages of small packages. Might one of you provide an email address for it to be sent to, in, I think it can be done in two sections, then, via email, maybe more sections are required there due to limited number of characters, not sure about things like this.

Requesting help here, please.

RSVP

- Poof

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<TITLE>Stressor Dates</TITLE>

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. (Illustration ~ Einstein drawing from front cover)

GRAVITY IS THE 4th DIMENSION

Electricity Is The 5th Dimension.

Magnetism Is The 6th Dimension.

The Reinstatement of Einstein's

presently abandoned Unified Field (Steady State) Theory

Without Mathematics. Condensed from 627 pages.

by Kent Benjamin Robertson

(*Previous copyrights 1959, '60, '66, '70, '79 & '85.)

Previous editions entitled The New Gravity

and EXTRATERRESTRIAL PHYSICS 101

Etcetras. W'out the code characters I think it's about 80 pages duration.

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RSVP

- Poof

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Hey Puff; I wish I could help you but the truth is, I'm rather new at this intranet stuff myself and I don't have an answer for you. Your best bet would be to contact Tormod and get his help with this difficulty. Good luck my friend............Infy

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Tolstoy wrote; "men only learn when they're suffering". The question is; how much do you want to learn?

That Rascal Puff · December 7, 2005

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B) :messenger

Dear Turtle (and company?):

I cannot thank you enough for speaking out as you have, in this case, on the 'What IS space' thread (Refer the Lagrange L-1 thru L-5 'issue' introduced by Cc and nobly neutralized by Turtle - having the social courage to come right out and say what it is, where it came from, and why. Still waiting for anything like a contentious reply on this note.

(Be still my fool-killing actuator?)

You and others on this private message line likely realize that (the tiny but excellent example of) Cc, wishes to discredit and otherwise deprecate Truly Yours, apparently motivated by his own scientifically bereft ego, and, there's no telling who Cc is, or, who he's in touch with since my posts have appeared on sergey500's thread.

As already divinely proven on that very thread, there are indeed ('the') paranoids ('are after me') who follow my - usually science - posts, all over the net, as it were. To see one of them undone as occurred recently here on Hypography was indeed a rare emergence of justice. His assault back-fired on him so eloquently and vivaciously, due to the apparently comprehending administration and its representatives towards whom I feel gratitude beyond words.

Hey Turtle:

Moving right along. If you care to continue to field (Who's on 1st?) further information placed on this thread by Truly Yours, placing it wherever it may do the most good - presently adding up to the 'What IS space' thread: might you consider sponsoring the following material. If an issue resembling why I don't speak for myself arises, you might improvise your own unambiguous style in responding to that, and/or tell them that That Rascal Puff dares not engage such formidably knowledgeable - interrogatory and proclamative - oracles, such as sergey500's refusal to take reality for an answer, while Cc creates his own artificial experience, hoping (with an aggressive attitude and no inhibitions to project transparent taunts and - by any other name - cheap shots) no one can tell the difference. I don't mind engaging anyone in debate or argument, but when the results are on the table and the bloody ad hominem bluffers continue, I generally leave the room and quietly close the door behind me.

You may - and apparently do - appreciate that you are not so much representing or 'defending' Truly Yours, here, as you are championing Einstein's greatest works; acting as a happy warrrior liaison between any and all adversaries of The World's Number One Einstein Groupie, Apprentice to Albert - 'The Axe' - Einstein. Si. The Romance Language affirmative.

Hey Turtle: care to throw them another Raptor femur for them to pensively gnaw upon (While they're adamently not reading my offered life's work - a collection of works, with some narrative and commentary by Truly Yours, as you have very apparently noticed <Six times?>).

Consider the following morsels, of themselves, just sort of hovering there on 'What IS space'. Whereas, there's any number of other places we may haunt, as long as the spirit may move you - or whomever else enjoys transforming the discomfort of defeatism, into the shared - win-win - gestalt of transcendental victory for all...

Anyway, here's the missile, I mean missive, I would have you suspend on whatever appropriate thread may be familiar to you (for the Gipper?):

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A note on the bulletin board, to whomever it may concern, from Puff:

The quotes *inside the asterisk formed *lines as they appear here (*above and below) will be more appropriately placed and applied to more specific discussions to which they apply, with the progression of TOTAL FIELD THEORY. They are transferred and date entered here, excerpted from the 5th - 627 page - sold out edition of GRAVITY IS THE 4th DIMENSION, Copyright 1979. In the interim of their improved placement in this dissertation, the astute Reader may already easily see their relevance to TOTAL FIELD THEORY - which, as its preceding presentations under the title Gravity Is The 4th Dimension, speaks for itself, establishing authenticity via recognition of established, well known facts, previously unrecognized and/or rejected (Re: 'Obviously the physical as well as spatial universe, is not expanding'; even when it is repeatedly proved and observed, felt, seen and heard to be so doing; allowing the Reader to draw her or his own conclusions. INTERMISSION material, follows)

[b]"It was formerly believed that if all material things disappeared out of the universe, time and space would be left. According to the relativity theory, howwever, time and space disappear together with the things."

- Einstein, EINSTEIN, THE LIFE & TIMES, Ronald W. Clark, p. 469

"It is evident that the popular conviction that a generalized field theory is unable to explain the problems of the discontinuous structure of matter and quantum mechanics rests upon prejudice."

- Einstein, PHYSICS & REALITY

(Out of the Journal of the Franklin Institute, Vol. 221 #3/ March 1936)

"... I do not believe it is justifiable to ask, 'What would physics look like without gravitation." - Einstein, IDEAS & OPINIONS, p.p. 352 - 3

"It is agreed on all hands that the only principle which could serve as the basis of quantum theory would be one that constituted a translation of a field theory into the scheme of quantum statistics."

- Einstein, IDEAS & OPINIONS, p. 334

"'Empty space' is not the absence of 4-D matter, but rather, a physical 5 & 6 dimensional (electromagnetic) extension of it." - p. 60 GRAVITY IS THE 4th DIMENSION, by Kent B. Robertson, Copyright August 1988

"No amount of collection of facts could lead to these equations unless the Principle of General Relativity were used. This is the reason why all attempts to obtain a deeper knowledge of the foundations of physics seem doomed to me unless the basic concepts are in accordance with General Relativity from the beginning." - Albert Einstein, IDEAS & OPINIONS, p. 352.

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The Editors, SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN,

415 Madison Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10017

14 May 1976

"An Accelerating Universe?"

"...that most reasonable observational data.... fit closely all models to which the expansion is accelerating. "The prediction of accelerating expansion is contrary to expectation... "something must be terribly wrong."..."The net forces between (receding) glaxies really are repulsive (Re: 'Hubble's Law - the more distant a given stellar or galactic light source the faster it's rate of recession from the point of observation". Re: Einstein's Cosmological Constant <repelling force acting parallel to and in the opposite direction as the popular concept of 'Newtonian impelling force>, a force different from others in that its velocity increases - rather than decreases, with distance.) - SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, 'Science and the Citizen', December 1975, James E. Gunn and Beatrice M. Tinsley.

'I point out this apparent conflict with the understanding that Gunn and Tinsley concluded "...the prediction of accelerating expansion is contrary to expectation... and that something must be terribly wrong." Especially so if "...the net forces between (receding) galaxies... really are repulsive... and if gravitational values really are "equivalent to and synchronous with inertial acceleration values beyond a billionth of a second and the technical ability to measure any difference" (THE NEW GRAVITY <Is The 4th Dimension>, April 1975, Kent Benjamin Robertson).

'Is it possible we are overlooking a rather obvious consideration, concerning the real nature of 'gravity?'

Very Truly Yours,

David F. Sicks, Anchorage, Alaska cc - Mr. Kent Robertson

(Of course Mr. David F. Sicks received no response whatsoever.)

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"...Descarte was not so far from the truth when he believed he must exclude the existence of an empty space. The notion indeed appears absurd as long as physical reality is seen exclusively in ponderable bodies. It requires the idea of the field as the representative of reality, in combination with the General Principle of Relativity, to show the true kernel of Descarte's idea, 'there exists no space empty of field'."

- Einstein, p.p.375 - 6, IDEAS & OPINIONS.

"Regarding the tenability of gravitation as an impelling force, paralleled by the Cosmological Constant as a repelling force, a natural and complementary occurrence of this apparently incongruous ambiguity exists and prevails in the fact that omnidirectional electric field lines around a positive charge are directed away from the center of the charge; whereas, the field lines around a negative charge move inward, toward the center of the charge." - K.B. Robertson, p. 521, GRAVITY IS THE 4th DIMENSION, Copyright 1979.

"I do find gravity an attractive force at times." - K.B.Robertson. Ibid.

"The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth, space by itself and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality." - Hermann Minkowski, 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists & Physicists, 1908.

"Matter and space are seen to be inseperable and interdependent parts of a single whole." - Fritjov Capra, THE TAO OF PHYSICS, p. 208

"According to the physicist-philosopher Ernst Mach... material objects not only determine the structure of the surrounding space, but are in turn influenced by their environment in an essential way."

- Fritjov Capra, THE TAO OF PHYSICS, p. 209

"In one of the most reckless and sweeping generalisations in the history of thought, Newton filled the entire space of the Universe with interacting forces of attraction, issuing from all particles of matter and acting upon all particles of matter across the boundless abysses of darkness."

- Arthur Koestler, THE SLEEPWALKERS

"In reality, mathematics can say very little about the 4th dimension. There is nothing in the hypothesis (*sic, i.e., 'theory' is the word Ouspensky strangely side-steps here) of the 4th dimension that would make it inadmissable from a mathematical point of view, this hypothesis (*sic) does not contradict any of the accepted axioms and, because of this, does not meet with particular opposition on the part of mathematics. Mathematicians even admit the possibility of establishing the relationship that should exist between 3-D and 4-D space, i.e., certain properties of the 4th Dimension. But they do all this in a very general and indefinite form. No exact definition of the 4th Dimension exists (*sic) in mathematics (*as opposed to the fact that an exact definition does exist in geometry, and, whereby mathematics is by routine academic-scientific standards, authoritatively based)...

- P.D. Ouspensky, A NEW MODEL OF THE UNIVERSE - Chapter entitled: The Fourth Dimension

"The basis of the denial of the fourth dimension, which has been supported by the theoretical and fallacious plane and cubical geometry, has been the inability to produce an additional or fourth perpendicular to a cube, as the basis of an additional power multiplication, whereas, poor little plane arithmetic and algebra, without geomentrical reference, being abstract, indicate the perfect ability to do so.

"Very rightly do they do so, for if the geometrist will go back to his first perpendicular, he will find it perpendicular to a sphere, for did he not assume a dot as his first basis of a geometrical theorem, which if conceded at all, must be spheroidal. Matter, if existent at all (and we cannot fallaciously assume a truth that is not), must be spheroidal. Surely the 'PlaneAndSolid' geometrist does not claim his 'dot' or 'point' to be cubical, for then he would have no further cause for his progressive antics. We see that there is no cubism, and that we can have as many perpendiculars to the inside or outside of the sphere as we may wish. Each power raising, or root taking, is on the basis of spheroidal increase or decrease by that many units of its radial or time dimension. The only 'straight line' then is the radial or time line, demonstrated by spheroidal dissection on its radial axis. There is also much laughter at the 'Plane&Solids'. - R Buckminster Fuller, 4-D TIMELOCK, p. 17

Perhaps the most prominent and markedly understandable fact of palpably impatient contention here, is Mr. Fuller's emphasis that, though a geometric point doesn't exist, it is nonetheless: plane and solid geometry shaped spheroidal; round; not cubicle. Emphasizing that when a given Geometric Point moves, generating a One Dimensional Straight Line, it does so at right angles - 90 o perpendicular - to itself. Commencing the extrapolation of right-angle-ruled dimensions that follow, from the geometric point to the <generally unrecognized - popularly - said to be - 'acknowledged, but yet to be formally and academically recognized and functionally applied> 4th dimension of matter, to the electricity moving at right angles from matter, thereby defining the 5th dimension as electricity, at right angles to which moves magnetism, thereby defining the 6th dimension. There are no precedents for the herein employed standards of identification and recognition of the 4th, 5th & 6th dimensions.

(Parallels of this recognition have begun to appear on the internet, since Gravity Is The 4th Dimension was plurally posted at numerous locations on the world wide web-net, 12/'99, by a markedly ambitious volunteer, a man with a plan - one Brian Kirk Parquette, who was among the very first individuals to publicly claim the work and identity of someone else, as his own. Many large and small, more and less cunning imposters have since followed Mr. BRIAN KIRK PARQUETTE<!> ['He's all over the net.'] into the abyss, on a mission of persuading anyone who'll surrender, that they cannot tell, the difference between heaven & hell. All of an increasing number of variously sized and styled wingtip Florsheim's and bare footprints leading in; none having any exit. B) <Welcome to the machine. Once yer in, yer in fer good. - P'ink Freud>) - K. B. Robertson

"Are you not entertained? That's what you came here for, isn't it?"

- Marcus Decimus Meridius

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( Please proceed to TOTAL FIELD THEORY Part IV; work in progress at delphiforums.com KaiduOrkhon's Forum. )

Gratzie mille y Ciao for now.

- Foop B) [/b]

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