Turtle Posted December 6, 2005 Report Posted December 6, 2005 Spare the rod and spoil the child. Found in the Septagent. The Bible. The Koran. Holy Scriptures...Uniformally accepted to mean that one must punish a child or they will never learn.First, the saying predates any & all of these works & is extant in Homer and/or Aristophenes. Therefore, the saying is repeated, or borrowed as it were.Second, the saying is ubiquitously mis-interpreted; furthermore all these mis-interpretations stem from the definition or "rod".Third, the "rod" is not a swithch, or a paddle, or a hand, or any such connotaion of a device for administering punishment. The "rod" is the Geo-Metric line. Period. Fourth: Spare the rod & spoil the child, means that, if a person in charge of a child spares [withholds] the truth of the line from a child then the child suffers with a mis-representation of the world & their place in it.Fifth: The truth of the line is the 'straight rod', or 'staff', or the 'needle'.Sixth: Let those who have i see in their own i, in their own time.:confused: Southtown 1 Quote
Southtown Posted December 7, 2005 Report Posted December 7, 2005 That's deep dude. I like it. =) Has a very real-world meaning, too. I've heard something similar said elsewhere. Picture a parent saying 'don't touch the vase or I'll...' (crash) 'don't stand on the coffee table or I'll...' (crash) etc. I believe it was referred to as a 'movable boundary.' Quote
Turtle Posted December 18, 2005 Author Report Posted December 18, 2005 Judge not, lest ye be judged. Found in sacred writings.Ubiquitously mis-applied to mean that no "one" should judge any"one" else. ___What it means is that any "one" should withhold judgement untill they themselves have submitted to judgement, & then not only can they judge, but they have the responsibility to do so.___When I began working as a carpenter, i did the grunt work because I didn't have the knowledge/skills to lay out a wall or stair. Now after many jobs carrying the boards to the stair master I took the opportunity to observe their work & ask occasional questions when I saw them doing something I didn't understand. After more of this, my questions revealed my understanding of stair building to the masters so that they knew I understood & I was promoted from grunt to apprentice. From grunt to apprentice, to journeyman, to master. I am as a master carpenter, qualified & required to judge the carpentry of other lesser carpenters & learn to master other carpentry specialties from other masters.___The same is true for any situation which has an expression predisposed to judgement. Withhold your judgement untill you master the components, & then deliver your judgement. Quote
Turtle Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Posted December 19, 2005 Tao Te ChingChapter 1 These two are the same, only called by different names- and both are mysterious and wonderful. The two that are the same, is "one". Called "one" & "the other one" - and both are mysterious and wonderful. - Roger Thelonious George Quote
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