Weird thought on sexual drive

[Boerseun]

And I love masticating too...

How's the jaw muscles coming along?

 

I agree with your assesment on the 'breeders', though. It seems as if bullshitting is a genetic trait selected for by Nature through sheer numbers... and the next generation will consist of more bull-artists than nice guys. I have a feeling that modern culture might have something to do with this, because it creates unreasonable expectations amongst women regarding their 'ideal man', and the men inevitably have to bull their way into the girl's pants, because these unreasonable images created by modern society simply don't exist. Same with women, actually. Modern society have created the idea of the 'ideal woman' as a scrawny blond tanned teenaged sex-bomb, and now all of a sudden there's liposuction clinics, surgery etc. for women to look like the ideal image created by the mass media. You get such extremes as Roseanne Barr trying to look eighteen. That was rather disturbing... In this sense, women are equally able to bullshit their way through life. Imagine - you marry a girl with the most perfect teeth you've ever seen. Your kids come out able to eat corn off the cob through a tennis racket. What went wrong? The girl didn't tell you that she had some severe dental work done in her early teens. That, in effect, was a case of bullshitting, cosmetically speaking.

 

Not only are we (both men and women) very sophisticated bullshitters, it might even be core to our society. A politician is probably the best of them all. Bullshitting, not wanking, is what makes the Earth go round. It's probably key to 'gettin some', and that's why the good, honest guys come last - no pun intended.

[Loricybin]

while i agree that it seems nice guys just don't get ahead in this way, it's because the more active people are going to be more upfront and less romantic, they act more on feeling than on an emotion.

 

and it's hard to deal with the alarmingly high number of people who don't care that they treat sex like being a predator. (not in a sex offender way, like a hunting kind of way)

 

i hate that humans developed this tendancy to fight and struggle with the opposite sex

[GAHD]

A politician is probably the best of them all. Bullshitting, not wanking, is what makes the Earth go round.

Ode to Clinton...

 

@all on 'nice guys'; I like to think I'm a 'nice guy' and this definatly hasn't stopped me from getting some. The problem is with SHY guys getting laid; 'nice' and 'self-conshous' too often walk hand in hand.

 

But don't worry 'nice' guys, in the great race of life, it's not all that bad to 'finish last'; especially when the short cuts to the finish line often hold nasty things like H.I.V, needless bloodshed, and sudden stops or starts.

[Dark Mind]

I've heard of places that teach that it's [masturbating] "wrong", too. How horrible! Why is it that people are so afraid of sex? If we didn't turn it into such a "dirty" topic, children wouldn't be so distraught over the topic.

Ahem...

 

This is something I've been saying about "vulgarities" (And I believe in one thread, sex.) for HOW long now?

 

I just wish that all the prudes in America (Mainly America because we've managed to garner such a prudish reputation... :eek:) will one day wake up and see the world for how it IS... Not how it "SHOULD" be. ...But as if that'll ever happen :eek:.

 

Back to the subject at hand...

Anyways, coming in a little late, but I'd still like to add my two cents :eek:. Up to this point in my life I have been a virgin by choice. There have been many occassions when "opportunity" presented itself... And it's always awkward trying to say no to "opportunity". But up until now I'd always thought the first person I had sex with would be the last... In other words, "the one", my "soulmate". Wow... I must've been high to think that in today's society... :eek:. I've held to this for so long though because I wanted my first non self induced orgasm (Yes. I will openly admit to being a masturbater. Self discovery happened around the same age as Sanctus for me. I was about 7 and after I had discovered masturbation I quickly told all my friends at school about it :cup: :cup:. That was fun trying to describe to them what I had done, and how it had felt :confused:.) to be something that was "special". Something I would share with the one I *loved*. Lately, however, I have been experiencing pressure from my peers to lose my virginity. I have also been talking with a girl in Utah (I'm in California) on the phone to try and help her sort out her psychological problems (I might add I'm doing fairly well :cup:!). She's 16 now and has been raped by her Uncle (she was 5! :cup:), her best friend (a year ago), and her best friend's dad (6 months ago)... She had consenting sex for the first time last night (12/15/05). She's revealed to me far more than I would feel comfortable sharing here without her consent, I only mention this because she has made me start to question my definition of love...

 

Now, I pride myself at being able to withstand nearly any degree of peer pressure for limitless lengths of time. The peer pressure isn't an issue with me losing my virginity. But defining love is. In short: I don't believe it's possible for a human to *truly* love another human. At least not as I had defined love. Love to me is a complete and utter caring/lust combo. One that can not be broken under ANY circumstances. The definition in itself flaws my perception of love... Based on this definition, there are only "soul mates" (I'm sorry, but I'm just going to assume everyone has the same definition of "soul mate"...). And based on how many people there are in the world (Roughly 6 billion), and assuming half are female (Sorry, not gay or bi. That leaves me roughly 3 BILLION people.)... There's a better chance of me winning the Lottery than picking 1 out of 3,000,000,000 :cup:.

 

This is making me wonder whether or not waiting for *the one* will be worth it... My hormones are ready NOW. I'm not even sure if I'll have my virginity after Christmas...

 

My morals and standards have greatly decreased since talking with that girl. And it's been through self discovery, too :cup:! While trying to help her understand her own psyche, I've reached a *deeper* understanding of my own, and I've begun to question some my older philosophies... They're beginning to seem outdated and even hypocritical of me to keep. This is my main sexual drive right now... logic. (Ironic I'm trying to use logic to define an emotion that controls an instinctive characteristic :cup:)

 

Just some "weird thought"s on sexual drive I guess :eek:.

[EWright]

Hello Drosera, and welcome. Your post betrays no confusion that I can discern.

 

Sex as taboo may not be all that common. Many Amazon jungle tribes sleep in hammocks inside a roofed shelter with no walls. Their only privacy is whatever darkness the night provides. Children hear and see whatever is going on, from infancy. In the writings that survived from the Greek "Golden Age" (~400BCE) there are indications that some children were 'taught' sex by older adults. Murals in family rooms of Roman villas display a wide variety of sexual acts. In the Old Testament, we see that in Noah's and Lot's culture, the ideas of incest and offering one's children for the entertainment of others was not exactly as taboo as they are in our culture. But even in America, children raised on farms in the 19th Century left their letters and diaries indicating that their knowledge of private parts and how they functioned was pretty complete even before they reached puberty.

 

My theory is (strictly an opinion) that the practice of "protecting" children from any knowledge of private parts and how to use them began in Europe during the "Dark Ages". It may also have begun elsewhere or at other times as well, but I would be speculating.

 

I freely admit that I speculate. I also masticate. :cup:

 

Man, I hope you're not a grade school teacher.

[EWright]

How ironic EWright; I think the only insecurities displayed in this thread are those identified with yourself. If you'll remember, you are the one that brought the subject of masturbation up. And very possibly because you're ashamed of your own secretive activity................................now deny it keep a straight face if you can. We'll take a pole and ask how many people believe your repudiation.........................Infy

 

I never denied a thing Infy. There's simply no scientific value to much of the current discussion. This entire thread is one big circle :cup: jerk with much too much information to the point that it does verge on disguting. The initial question what about the two sides of the human psychie (correct whatever spelling you like), not about mister grateful dead bustin a nut in his sheets so many times that his psychotherapist has to scold him for it! There is definite perversion undertones in this thread and THAT'S the part that's sickening... along with WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!

[Dark Mind]

:cup: He said "circle jerk"...

 

Sorry, just my less "mature" side kicking in :cup:.

 

Define "Perverted"...

 

No one's forcing you to read... must be some sick fascination that keeps drawing you here :confused:.

[Dark Mind]

Everyone... please don't miss post #72. May not be very well written (1:00 in the morning here. What do you expect? :confused:), but it did take some time :cup:.

[infamous]

I never denied a thing Infy. There's simply no scientific value to much of the current discussion. This entire thread is one big circle :cup: jerk with much too much information to the point that it does verge on disguting.

Like I said before, "You are the one that brought the subject of masturbation up".............Right???

[Boerseun]

Hey, Dark Mind, old buddy...

 

As an *<<< << < nervous cough> >> >>>* "experienced" human, of the male persuasion, I feel your pain.

 

My virginity went the same route as the Nina and the Pinta - you only read about it. It was there, and then it was there no longer. It's an historical matter.

 

But I digress.

 

Go and do what you wanna do. Just don't confuse lust and love. Still, till this day, I need somebody to explain 'love' to me. You see it fifty times a day on TV, people smooching each other saying "I love you", but what the heck do they mean when they say it?

 

I'm turning 30 next year, I'm single currently and I don't have answers to the above. And I'm not gonna do the whole thing just to keep my parents happy 'cause they want grandkids, you know what I'm sayin'?

 

Any case - You've got a nice girl. Don't feel pressurised to do anything. Or to NOT do anything, for that matter. As far as I'm concerned, it's human nature, and what will be, will be. Just don't confuse love with lust.

 

****. I sound like somebody's bloody dad.

 

I apologize.

[Celeste]

Originally Posted by Dark Mind:

There's a better chance of me winning the Lottery than picking 1 out of 3,000,000,000 .

 

The thing you might want to think about is that we are said to have many "soul mates."

I have been married twice, the first lasted 5 years, the second 12.

I considered each of these men my soul mates, as I do the man I've been with the last 4 years. The simple fact is that as we grow and mature, we sometimes outgrow each other. But that doesn't negate the fact that we experienced a

complete and utter caring/lust combo.

I still have an unbelievable bond with both previous men and we have remained friends, with a deep understanding and compassion towards each other....and it's still a bond that , " can not be broken under ANY circumstances".

[Dark Mind]

Any case - You've got a nice girl.

No... Still single. The girl I mentioned above lives halfway across the nation and we just met online about two weeks ago. I decided to take a stab at trying to help her get her life back on track. I think I'm doing an okay job of it too :cup:.

 

And, no. You didn't sound like a dad, Boerseun :cup:. At least not mine :cup:. Thanks for the advice.

 

And thanks for the words of inspiration and encouragement, Celeste :cup:.

 

...There IS hope :cup:.

[Pyrotex]

Don't forget us lefties!

 

Don't forget us ambidexterons! :cup:

[Pyrotex]

Man, I hope you're not a grade school teacher.

 

:cup: :cup: :D :D No, I am not. But even if I were, the little darlings would be perfectly safe. I am a law-abiding citizen, and I even believe that the laws in question are GOOD laws.

[EWright]

Like I said before, "You are the one that brought the subject of masturbation up".............Right???

 

Like I said before, a scientific observation based on the information provided... and far too much of it at that. You keep talking in :circle:s; find some new material.

[infamous]

Hmmm... I sense a lot of masterbaters in the bunch and WAY TMI in this thread! :cup:

Here's some new material for you EWright. Not once at this point in this thread did anyone mention masturbation, that is until you brought it up. Not only did you bring up the subject, you also just as much accused us all of being nothing but masturbaters. If you'll go back and read the posts you're referring to, you'll find several mentions of partners. Not only do you sanctimoniously pretend that you're offended by WAY TMI, you later are unwilling to deny that you also participate in such activity. Someone earlier in this thread referred to you as a sh__ stirrer, I must solemnly agree.

 

And since when is Too much information nonscientific???

[Queso]

circle jerk, tee hee he