Astral Projection

[CD27]

I have heard quite a bit about astral projection, but i have yet to actually do it. i tend to belive everything that is said about it. because it makes sense to me. i actually have come very very close to actually doing it, but it seems as soon as i get to the very edge i get pulled back in, i guess it may be because i'm frightened about it,

 

what is astral projection. it is when yo spirit moves out of your physical body and into the astral plane. you're supposed to do this by:

 

1) resting your entire body, face, nose, mouth, ears, even hair, slowly, chest, (not gonna get too deep their), arms, fingers, elbos, nucles, rist, shoulders, legs, feet, toes, ancles, other spots which i will not identify here. all of these you must be consiouse of at the same time. it doesn't happen instantly. in fact, for me, when i ahd my most episodes of the subject, i was exhausted, so that way my body was tired from some kind of work and my mind itself was fully aware of all things. this is the absolute best state to be in if you want to atral project.

 

2) once yo have completely calmed your entire body and are thinking of it as a whole and not as any seperate part, breath sloly, calm your breathing. focus on the whistling in your ears, or simply on your breathing. or, another solution is: imagine you floating out of your body. usually that helps.

 

3) eventually you wil do this, but if you are scared when it happens, it will pull you back in, relatively quickly, i can amount to that. do not be afraid. in fact, you may have already almost done this. have you ever had a time where you were trying to fall asleep for the night. your thoughts were still conciouse, but you were thinking on a subject so that you could sleep. and just as soon as you began to get a visual image of it, you felt like you were falling, very fast. that's what it is. just, don't be afraid, let it happen. the last time this happened to me, which i must say was quite a while ago, i tried to let it happen to me, and actually, it did it more than once, but only twice.

 

so, if any of you can, if you already have experience in this, help me out will ya? i really want to do this.

[Uncle Martin]

I believe you may be regressing CD,

 

You do not offer any evidence to support your claims. To believe something because it "makes sense" is absolutely ridiculous. There exists no evidence that I'm aware of that support your claims. Astral projection is an hallucination.

[CD27]

well, if you do not know me, obviously to belive a religion such as christianity as i do, then you msut also kno that i belive it because it makes sense as well..so how is that regressing? and if astral projecting is a hallucination, then so is every single sense you have in your entire body, all of them. because from all of the reports i ahve read on this, all of your senses are intact, and everything you are seeing is real..i find it odd how people can hallucinate going to a place they've never been to and then they ask someone who has, and it is exactly as they visioned it..was that a hallucination as well? plus the fact that i had a dream of the future when i was 6 years old (unfortunately is the only thing i can remember of my past before the age 11) which gave things in greate detail, detail so great, that it even told me that my parents would be divorced in the future...funy, ebcause when i ahd the dream, they were not yet divorced. and that is no hallucination or remembering and making up of thoughts, becaue i can remember 10 minuted before and after the dream, which are highly accurate with hat my family tells me was going on during that time. also, freethikner claims he himself has astral projected, talk to him as well, i'm sure this will be a very fun conversation indeed.

[Uncle Martin]

Yes, FT has said that. I must admit to the same astral projection experiences myself. More times than I can remember, way back in the sixties. AHHH yes, the sixties.

 

Hint: google-D Lysergic acid Diethylamide.

[alexander]

In astral projection the conscious mind leaves the physical body and moves into the astral body. The astral body is one of seven subtle bodies we all have.

 

 

Some people can astral project naturally. Others are afraid to leave the physical body and never are able to astral project. An alternative approach is remote viewing.

 

 

In astral projection you remain attached to your physical body by a silver "umbilical type" cord. Some people see the cord and others do not.

 

 

You are aware of things you encounter along the way while out of your body.

 

 

 

 

Remote Viewing is splitting your consciousness to experiencing events in two or more places at the same time and being aware of all experiences.

 

 

As reality is compromised of electromagnetic grid programs - the matrix - remote reviewing is in truth moving your consciousness from one grid to another.

 

 

In is different than meditation - as you are seeing actual events vs. the symbology of meditation.

 

 

There are natural remote viewers and those who take courses to learn this skill.

 

 

This is an easy skill for those who already know how to shift their consciousness from grid to grid.

 

 

It is well known that there are government projects involving trained remote viewers used to gain access to top secret information. This involves training but anyone can learn to do it.

[Uncle Martin]

Alexander,

Can you provide even one example of repeatable, testable, falsefiable evidence? specifically the case of government projects. I know that many governments of the world are notorious for wasting their taxpayer's dollars on frivolous military research, but I'm unaware of any success with these studies.

[Freethinker]

The answer to this thread is easy.

 

Astral Projection, is it real?

NO!

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27

I have heard quite a bit about astral projection, but i have yet to actually do it. i tend to belive everything that is said about it. because it makes sense to me.

Yes CD, this does seem to be a common problem for you. Ignorance can be corrected by education. But then you have to be willing to accept facts after you are exposed to them. But we know from your OWN comments, that you don't care what the truth is. You will INTENTIONALLY accept KNOWN lies!

i actually have come very very close to actually doing it, but it seems as soon as i get to the very edge i get pulled back in, i guess it may be because i'm frightened about it,

Or perhaps it is the FACT that it is IMPOSSIBLE?

 

But don't let REALITY get in your way now!

what is astral projection. it is when yo spirit moves out of your physical body and into the astral plane. you're supposed to do this by:

 

1) resting your entire body, face, nose, mouth, ears, even hair,

HAIR is DEAD CELLS. Exactly how do you get something that is DEAD to RELAX even more than DEAD?

slowly, chest, (not gonna get too deep their), arms, fingers, elbos, nucles, rist, shoulders, legs, feet, toes, ancles, other spots which i will not identify here. all of these you must be consiouse of at the same time. it doesn't happen instantly. in fact, for me, when i ahd my most episodes of the subject, i was exhausted,

WOW, that "resting your entire body" was that "exaust(ing)"?

 

I don't suppose you EVER actually read what you write to see if it makes ANY sense?

so that way my body was tired from some kind of work and my mind itself was fully aware of all things. this is the absolute best state to be in if you want to atral project.

Even better, take a nap.

2) once yo have completely calmed your entire body and are thinking of it as a whole and not as any seperate part, breath sloly, calm your breathing. focus on the whistling in your ears, or simply on your breathing. or, another solution is: imagine you floating out of your body. usually that helps.

Have you talked to your minister about this. You will find that REAL Christians would NEVER put themselves into these meditative states. It opens the body to evil spirits.

 

I know how stupid that sounds. But I am just presenting Christian doctrine. Meditation, including Astral Projection is a PAGAN ritual. Your immortal soul has been tarnished!

so, if any of you can, if you already have experience in this, help me out will ya? i really want to do this.

And suffer eternal damnation?

 

But let me guess, you are not THAT kind of Christian?

 

Astral Projection is New Age garbage. NO ONE has EVER proved to have actually experience Astral Projection. All of the claimed APers FAIL COMPLETELY when tested.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin

I believe you may be regressing CD,

I'm not sure about that Unk! In many ways, naturallistic religions such as New Age Paganism is less harmful to society than Christianity.

[sanctus]

Before I say what I think about all this astral projection stuff, I just want to correct freethinker, hair isn't dead cell it's a kind of protein.

 

CD,

you know I also always liked the idea of astral projection, it's something very fascinating and if there wouldn't be the risks of horror-trips I would have taken LSD already a long time ago. But this doesn't mean that it is real, that you actually leave your body, it's just you enhance some parts of your brain to be capable to feel like if you were projected out of you body. This claim I support with the following facts:

 

• all experiences made until today of people that coul leave their body, showed that they didn't actually leave the body. The experiences wer made thisway: ther were some numbers that the person could only see if he/she floated about 2 meters above the position were their body was; the result was that nobody could tell the numbers

• When people is eptilectic the doctors sometimes separate the left and right brain, to do this they stimulate different parties in the brain to see the "geography" of the brain. Well they did that a couple of years ago in Geneva in switzerland, and when they stimulated a part (located a bit higher than the right ear) the patient said she was seeing herself on the bed

 

So, I'm soorry to tell you, but you won't be able to leave your body to see what actually is behind a wall, but just what you imagine what is behind.

 

I f you want to try this, you can also take instead of LSD some psilos (hallucinating mushrooms).

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27

well, if you do not know me, obviously to belive a religion such as christianity as i do, then you msut also kno that i belive it because it makes sense as well..

NO we don't KNOW that. In fact the reverse is more accurate. We DO know that you INTENTIONALLY accept lies from your Christian leaders. You have said so yourself. Thus we KNOW that you beleive, NOT because it makes sense, but because you WANT to. Even when it DOESN'T make sense. You do not hold "making sense (reason and logic)

so how is that regressing? and if astral projecting is a hallucination, then so is every single sense you have in your entire body, all of them.

This is pure nonsense. There is absolutely no valid connection. All you show is your continued inability to draw valid, reasoned conclusions.

because from all of the reports i ahve read on this, all of your senses are intact, and everything you are seeing is real..

Try reading sources that are not intended to promote this hocus pocus. Try reading SCIENTIFIC sources. You will not find a single Scientific source that validates AP. Not a SINGLE ONE!

i find it odd how people can hallucinate going to a place they've never been to and then they ask someone who has, and it is exactly as they visioned it

It's easy to make false claims. When controlled tests are put in place, these claims go away.

..was that a hallucination as well? plus the fact that i had a dream of the future when i was 6 years old (unfortunately is the only thing i can remember of my past before the age 11) which gave things in greate detail, detail so great, that it even told me that my parents would be divorced in the future...funy, ebcause when i ahd the dream, they were not yet divorced. and that is no hallucination or remembering and making up of thoughts, becaue i can remember 10 minuted before and after the dream, which are highly accurate with hat my family tells me was going on during that time.

Oh man, there is so much in there that needs to be ripped apart. It is like a text book case of how NOT to think. You can't remeber ANYTHING about the 1st 11 years of your life, except a DREAM? OK, ya right! BUT, contrary to THAT claim, you CAN remember 10 mins before and after.

 

A "DREAM" happens during REM (Rapic Eye Movement) sleep. It indicates a particular phase of sleep which takes a while to get to. While you could ahve been woken up immediately after the dream, you most likely would NOT have been awake 10 min before. From the National Institute of Health web stie:

 

"The first REM sleep period usually occurs about 70 to 90 minutes after we fall asleep. A complete sleep cycle takes 90 to 110 minutes on average."

 

As to being "aware" of things that happen while you are "asleep", there is nothing new about our senses continuing to work and absorb stimulous around us while "asleep". If this was not the case, then noises would not wake us up. Alarm clocks would not have been invented.

 

As to "predicting" parental divorce. Even at a young age of 6, you would notice parental relations. And even if there were no outward signs, the FEAR of it is common in young kids. Either of these would be more than enough for a 6 yrold to have thoughts/ dreams of it. Should it eventually happen, you can easily, falsely assign this coincidence as "prediction".

 

Just as you can easily "invent" things that did not actually happen. Especially when trying to recall things from that long ago when you were that young. You are probably too young to remember the big fiasco regarding false "reccovered memory". People arrested and jailed for things they never did. The "evidence" was so convincing that innocent poeple were convinced they did things they did not do. Some even plead Guilty! From Science Daily:

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[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: sanctus

Before I say what I think about all this astral projection stuff, I just want to correct freethinker, hair isn't dead cell it's a kind of protein.

From a National Institute of Health site:

 

Hair Comes From Where?

Whether hair is growing out of your head, arm, or ankle, it all rises out of the skin in the same way. Each hair begins at its hair root, a place beneath the skin where <u>cells</u> band together to form keratin. The root is inside a follicle (say: foll-ick-ul), which is like a small tube in the skin. As the hair begins to grow, it pushes up from the root and out of the follicle, through the skin where it can be seen. Tiny blood vessels at the base of every follicle feed the hair root to keep it growing. But once the hair is at the skin's surface, the <u>cells</u> are no longer alive - the hair you see on every part of your body is <u>dead</u>.

http://www.kidshealth.org/kid/body/hair_nail_SW_p2.html

 

Now tell me again. WHERE was I WRONG?

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: Uncle Martin

Yes, FT has said that. I must admit to the same astral projection experiences myself. More times than I can remember, way back in the sixties. AHHH yes, the sixties.

As they say. "If you remember the '60's, you weren't there."

[CD27]

um, yea, no drugs for me, but yes freethinker, if it doesn't involve my religion, i listen and many times learn from facts. as this particular time, i just learned that astral projection isn't real. i guess those eppisodes i had were just my body falling to sleep and my mind still awake. i guess it kinda scared me or something. as for alexander, well, i've already seen that page. and printed the entire thing out. none of those things even work. but hey, thanks for the info. freethinker, the idea of resting your hair as well, well that's a mind thing. to make you think your body is completely rested, COMPLETELY. well, now that i got one lie off my chest, thanks everybody for your help.

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: alexander

In astral projection the conscious mind leaves the physical body and moves into the astral body. The astral body is one of seven subtle bodies we all have.

Seven bodies, three chins? Thanks, that explains the extra weight the scale keeps saying I have. I thought it was from eating too much!

Some people can astral project naturally. Others are afraid to leave the physical body and never are able to astral project. An alternative approach is remote viewing.

NO ONE has EVER been proven to actually have a physical out of body experience EVER!

In astral projection you remain attached to your physical body by a silver "umbilical type" cord. Some people see the cord and others do not.

"Silver threads and golden needles can not mend this heart of mine..."

 

At least he song is REAL. This other stuff is pure mental masterbation.

 

Remote Viewing is splitting your consciousness to experiencing events in two or more places at the same time and being aware of all experiences.

 

As reality is compromised of electromagnetic grid programs - the matrix - remote reviewing is in truth moving your consciousness from one grid to another.

Hahahaha... truly great! Now we find that the "Matrix" is also real. Take the yellow pill Neo!

 

But you have one part right!

reality is compromised

Yes this type nonsense does SERIOUSLY "compromise" reality.

It is well known that there are government projects involving trained remote viewers used to gain access to top secret information. This involves training but anyone can learn to do it. </p>

The US Military dropped their Remote Viewing research because after 20+ years of research THEY FOUND NOTHING! It was called "Stargate". Information from these tests show exactly what is wrong with media and science interfacing. Intitial researchers were anxious to PROVE RV actually existed. And their intial experiments showed it did. But the research was shown to be bogus, improperly structured, false ooutcomes. The research was rejected, but the rejection was not covered by the media, even though the intitial positive claims were.

 

Every time the researchers did a test, they found positive outcomes. ANd each time, outside review found the research to be tainted. And each time the previous research was then rejected, but the rejections were NEVER covered by the media.

 

So it was moved to outside orgs, such as SAIC (my sig other worked for them with a high level security clearance when she lived in CA) . SAIC published some reports showing a positive outcome. It turmed out they referenced the previously rejected research. And so on.

 

Ultimately in 1995 two independant researchers were called in to review the whole thing. One of them is Ray Hyman. He wrote an article with his results:

 

The Evidence for Psychic Functioning: Claims vs. Reality

 

Conclusions

 

... the claim for the existence of psi, we find that it relies on a handful of experiments that have been shown to have serious weaknesses after undergoing careful scrutiny, and another handful of experiments that have yet to undergo scrutiny or be successfully replicated. What seems clear is that the scientific community is not going to abandon its fundamental ideas about causality, time, and other principles on the basis of a handful of experiments whose findings have yet to be shown to be replicable and lawful.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9603/claims.html

[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: CD27

um, yea, no drugs for me,

So no sugar? No softdrinks (many have caffine). Asprin? ...

 

The term "Drugs" is really too broad to have a usable meaning in this regard. But it makes great talking points and headlines!

but yes freethinker, if it doesn't involve my religion, i listen and many times learn from facts.

Ya gotta love it! Intentional ignorance involving the single most important decision you can make in your life, how to base your live's world view, and you INTENTIONALLY ignore FACTS when making it. And your PROUD of it!

 

And further I have to ask, as a Christian (since you claim to be THE person to know who is and how is NOT a Christian) , what part of your life does NOT involve Christianity.

as this particular time, i just learned that astral projection isn't real.

Very good CD, you show an ability Tim has yet to show consistantly, the ability to admit error and reject things when factual info is presented.

 

STOP DRAWING THE LINE at religion.

freethinker, the idea of resting your hair as well, well that's a mind thing. to make you think your body is completely rested, COMPLETELY. well, now that i got one lie off my chest, thanks everybody for your help.

I have had Alpha Training, Trancendental Meditation, Yoga and many other meditational techniques. Such processes are good tricks. The hair thing just shows how bogus the mumbo jumbo surrounding it is.

[CD27]

freethinker, with as much intelligence as you have, i find it hard to belive that you would not understand what i was talkign about. drug's as in marajuanna, cocain, LSD, things of that nature. i can't take aspirin anyways, it makes me sick. things that help me get well from a sickness or something, yea, i'll take them. if it's a past drug that used to be banned for some reason, even pot, some people say that helps you instead of hurts you, i tend to not see how breathing smoke into your lungs actually helps you. but yea, i know you knew exectly what i meant by drugs freethinker. btw, thanks for clearing all that up for me, it has realy helped. but what i find most odd about y dream is that it was based inside a house i had never seen before in my entire life, in fact, it was brand new, just made before we moved in it, but i was in the dream. i could see my entire family, my three brothers, and my mom, but my dad was simply not in the dream. that didn't give me any hints that they were gonna divorce until AFTER the divorce actually happened. then the freeky part happened when we moved into that house. think about how scared i was then.

 

no part of my life does not involve christianity. i revolve around it, and of course, i don't care what the "facts" are, i will not leave it, no matter what. anyways, let's dol us allk a favor, please jsut stop tlaking about me and my religion. if you don't like it, oh well, i have not brought it up until you guys did, and i'd like it to be dropped, if you will. i am asking you.