Moments and events

[Little Bang]

I don't understand your position infi. Everything that we observe happens some finite time in the past. When we try to interpret ( with our brain ) some event, it is already in the past. The logic seems impeccably to me.

[arkain101]

Anything you see or experience is in the exact same moment of now as any other moment of now for your own observation. That is what I take infy is saying.

 

Things you see are events on your retina, not events from the past. They have traveled a long way, but they are as good and the same as a photon from a flash light 100 feet away. They both exist now only in different spots.

 

Visualize the universe as vibrations, tons and tons of circular propogating waves eminating from sources of mass. Zoom way out. Everything that occurs is occuring in the now that you imagine it, or see it if you could. No one thing is aware of anything beyond of that what is in direct contact with it. Although observation frames see events from many different versions of time line, they all see what they see in the same moment Now.

 

What you see is not time. What you see is what has hit you. Anything that is happening is in the creation of now. It simply is in now. Though you can only detect what is in contact with you.

 

The past is only that what can resinate in your brain. Your memory holds onto events. But those events are only being carried with you forward in the present ready to access at any moment of NOW. They dont go into the past, you can only measure them to in comparison with other memory.

[Little Bang]

Wow arkain, I am chastized by your intellectual prowess.

[arkain101]

I dunno about that, I had to look up those words to see what the heck you were saying.

 

You are "punished for misbehavior" by coming across my "superior Intelectual skill that you can learn by study and practice and observation"

 

Is that what you said?

 

No sir, I only offered what I thought would be a clear explanation.

[InfiniteNow]

Everything that we observe happens some finite time in the past. When we try to interpret ( with our brain ) some event, it is already in the past.

Define for me, then, the past. Also, by default, in what temporal frame of reference are you when you parameterize it?

[Little Bang]

Ark, I only mean that you have an opinion and I have an opinion and the usual response to an opinion is to try to use logic to change the others opinion and rarely does that work.

[Little Bang]

If T = 1 sec, and an event occurrs at T = .5 sec then it is in the past. My point is that if an event occurrs there is the passage of some time before we become aware of the event therfore making it in the past.

[arkain101]

Yah I agree, we have some delay in how fast we percieve the actions and events in the world.

 

but everything that happens at the biological level as we take in input moves forward with the present as it works its way into our consciousness, then we see an image from a slight moment ago, in the same relentless now.

 

We dont live in the past but We instead look at things just passed.

 

So for example lets say you see an event, and we agree it will take an nth of a second for us to see it. As you say, we are aware of the past.

Now lets take that same time of delay we have of registering light, and we take the object that is emitting the light and we move it back a distance that will add the same value of time it takes for us to generally register awareness.

 

So now the same event we saw takes # amount longer to happen than before. Does this make it in the past?

 

Our awareness is delayed but what we are seeing is still being seen in the same now that every event in the universe is occuring.

 

We are slow to react, but Im not sure this makes us live in the past, it just makes us act as though things are futher away and take longer to get to us.

[HydrogenBond]

Our biological suit, i.e, our body apart from human consciousness, exists in the now. Our consciousness is time-delayed with respect to the now defined by the biological suit. There are certain events, such as the fight/flight instinct that narrows the gap to almost realtime. Beyond such instincts, the imagination filters the data to create a time delay. The imagination compares the now of the bio-suit to what we understand. What we understand becomes a filter that creates new version of the realtime data.

 

Science attempts to make a rational filter, so the now of the bio-suit, can be accurately defined, although time delayed by the processing. The more subjective aspects of knowledge, will both time delay the now as well as add subjectivity to the interpretation of now.

 

For example, if one looks at the sun and believes it is Helios riding his chariot, the realtime sensory data (now of the bio-suit) is subjectively modified into mythology while also added a time delay to the data. If one believe the solar light is due to hydrogen emissions, this is more accurate to what occurred in the now, but is still time-delayed with respect to the real time now of the bio-suit. Animals would look at the sun and not give it any thought, thereby getting rid of the time delay. On the other hand, the lack of imagination processing will not allow them to rational understand or even fantasize about the nature of the sun.

[InfiniteNow]

If T = 1 sec, and an event occurrs at T = .5 sec then it is in the past. My point is that if an event occurrs there is the passage of some time before we become aware of the event therfore making it in the past.

 

 

Our biological suit, i.e, our body apart from human consciousness, exists in the now. Our consciousness is time-delayed with respect to the now defined by the biological suit. There are certain events, such as the fight/flight instinct that narrows the gap to almost realtime. Beyond such instincts, the imagination filters the data to create a time delay. The imagination compares the now of the bio-suit to what we understand.

 

 

Regardless of the terminology introduced, be it mathematical/algebraic or bio-suit/imaginative, and the time delays involved... Let me try this less Latexically.

 

 

There is a perceptual passage from

 

[Latex]Now_1[/LATEX] to [Latex]Now_2[/LATEX],

 

yet [Latex]Now_2[/LATEX] always includes [Latex]Now_1[/LATEX]

 

 

 

Hence [Latex]Now_n[/LATEX] seems to be an ever expansive unity of each which preceeded ([Latex]Now_n._{previous}[/LATEX]).

 

 

What I'm suggesting... it might be more appropriate to call it

 

[Latex]Now_\infty[/LATEX] ,

 

because whatever [Latex]Now_n[/LATEX] you are at includes future events as well ([Latex]Now_n._{pending}[/LATEX]).

 

 

 

So, my thinking on this topic leads me to the conclusion that [Latex]n[/LATEX] not only approaches infinity ([math]n\rightarrow\infty[/math]), it IS infinity ([math]n=\infty[/LATEX]).

[Little Bang]

rf I think you ended it nicely.

[InfiniteNow]

rf I think you ended it nicely.

And in the end we find a beginning...

[InfiniteNow]

I still have a rep power of zero, and am comfortable with that. I plan to read and think more than comment and answer...

:D

 

Aye... I wonder who will attack me first for flip flopping. :(

[TheBigDog]

Happy Hypo-anniversary In. Those of you being bumped into this thread may have noticed that it was started exactly two years ago by our very own InfiniteNow. Just four days before my own first thread at Hypography. There is gold in this here thread, take the time to read it from the start.

 

Will you be seeing your shadow today, and gifting us an update to your first ever thread?

 

Cheers, and Merry Christmas

 

Bill

[InfiniteNow]

My basic approach and questions are the same.

 

I have a high confidence that the present... the right now... is some sort of absolute. I have learned a lot about relativity, and frame of reference, and time dilation, and also about myself...

 

 

But this concept still intriques me. It's always right now. No matter where or when you are. It's right now.

 

 

Cheers, Bill. Happy Holidays to you, Shannon, and the boys. :beer:

 

 

Happy Holidays to all of our readers as well. I consider many of you to be my friends... even know most of us have never met. :D

 

 

Enjoy your now. It's all you ever have. :)

[modest]

I still have a rep power of zero, and am comfortable with that. I plan to read and think more than comment and answer...

:eek:

 

Aye... I wonder who will attack me first for flip flopping. :doh:

 

A well-earned reputation. Best wishes InfiniteNow - your posts are always incredibly insightful

 

- modest