Life Destroying Life To Exist

[Guest jamongo]

I don't know if that is a proper title or not.

My question is this:

Is there any lifeform, that we know of, that exists without the need for destroying another lifeform?

Is this why we humans fight and kill each other?

Or why we kill animals and hang their heads on the wall?

Or catch a fish and mount it over the fireplace for all to see?

Not to mention the racist attitudes around the world.

Is it just part of our nature to attack, and kill?

Is it in our genes? Can we ever get rid it?

If we do evolve into super intelligent robotic creatures, will we then be able to live on Earth in peace with the other animal and plant life.

Can we look into the future and see any signs of improvement, or is this planet just doomed to go the way other planets are thought to have gone?:shrug:

[Queso]

it's how it all works, mate!

solve et coagula.

destroy to recreate.

 

ying yang.

sun, moon.

 

i said this in another post last night, or something like it.

just ride the ride with respect.

 

not everybody will have that philosophy because there NEEDS to be the balance, yielding complete opposite thought!

 

Earth 2005

[Guest jamongo]

it's how it all works, mate!

 

So, life destroys life in order to live?

 

If I were an outer-space alien, I wouldn't be too quick to land here and announce my presence.

 

Would you?

[Queso]

youre asking the wrong guy.

if i was an outerspace alien....

(i could ramble about that for a few days non-stop)

 

life to destroys life to live....hmmm

 

yep!

[Queso]

at least, that's how it is on EARTH MUAHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH echo, echo, echo

[Bio-Hazard]

Nothing is destroyed. Mass cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred. You have to question what life means first of all.

 

Life to most scientists means something that is unicelluar or multicellular.

In this case, many cellular beings take in nutrients in order to sustain their biochemical lifeforce.

 

Plants are the best example of something that transfers nutrients for living without exactly destroying/killing another lifeform. Of course you have plants such as the Venus Flytrap that will eat other bugs, many plants breathe in their surrounding.

 

With advancements in food chemistry and biology, we can eat products such as soy and other plants. We need not actually live on meat these days. Being who I am though, I continue to eat meat in the idea that some meat is needed for normal functioning.

 

In other words, I read something once that said eating meat helps raise certain chemicals in the body that soy can't. Testosterone for one. It's said that soy raises estrogen levels. Therefore I continue to eat meat.

 

However, this is still killing when you eat a plant. Unless of course it's dead and you find someway to eat it. Other than that, synthetic materials usually cost a ton to make but can be used to create food.

 

It is not necessary to continue killing to sustain life. Maybe in the beginning when little was understood. When knowledge is not available, and people stupid are put to work and survive, things usually go chaotic.

There needs to be a larger scientific community to speed up things to become more peaceful and democratic. Space age synthetic food with all amino acids, vitamins, minerals, and etc. would help people from killing.

 

I'm sure there's a way that humans can be just like plants, but I can't tell you much about how this would be possible until I do further research into plants. I'm sure there is a way of energy conservation and the ability to take in resources, but the biology of a human would have to be mutated or altered from within by conscious control.

 

Aliens usually want to steal water btw.

 

When it comes to genetics, I suppose it is natural for humans to kill things as other species do. Hanging heads on a wall like jeffrey dahmer is quite off because animals usually don't keep a carcus with them. Some people believed that learning what to eat is a passed on through generation to generation by social learning. While in the early cave man days, people had the idea that cavemen ate grass or each other.

[Queso]

awesome response!

BRAVO! much abliged!

[tarak]

Most of the autotrophs(chorophyll bearing living beings and several chemoautotrophs)which are capable of generating energy for themselves are self sustaining entities which donot need any prey.

[chill]

You really don't have to look at it that way. If you rephrase it properly, it doesn't sound all that bad. When you say "Life destroys life", it's just a transfer of energy, it's not that dramatic. You should remember that at the back of each of your questions, there is a hidden "..., if necessarry". It's just a matter of survival, don't take it personally.

[TIDUSGIYA]

there is no end without the balance for a beginning. there is no beginning without the balance for an end,,,,,,this is how energy balences itself out.

 

TRUTH....

 

HUMAN BEINGS AND ANY FORMS OF LIFE DONT REALLY LIKE DESTROYING ITSELF.....

 

WE KNOW THERE WOULD BE NO BALANCE FOR IT. IT IS THE WORLD LEADERS THAT CREATE THESE LIFE DESTROING LIFE ISSUS'S. WE ADD TO THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WHEN WE BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE OR WHEN WE BELIEVE ITS WORSE THAN ANY PERSONS OR CONTRIES.....WE PRESSUME OUR FREE WILL IS ALLOWED TO CONTROL ANOTHERS FREE WILL IN ORDER FOR THEM TO HAVE A FALSE BELIEF OF HAVING ANY FREE WILL.

 

QUESTION TO YOURSELF........

 

DO YOU LIKE YOURSELF IF YOUR DESTROING LIFE........

 

NO?

 

I GUESS ITS BECAUSE WE HAVE A GUILTY CONSIENCE AS HUMAN BEINGS....DO ANIMALS HAVE THAT.

 

N0?

 

ITS ABOUT SURVIVING......IN THIS WOULD THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT EARN MORE THE 10000 POUNDS OR DOLLARS......IN OTHER CONTRIES, THEY SEE US AS KINGS....MILLIONARES ARE LIKE GODS AND GOD THEMSELF NEEDS NO PLEASURE FOR LIFE TO DESTROY LIFE.....CREATING LIFE WAS TO NURTURE LIFE AS WE ALL DO NOW......THATS THE TRUE NATURE OF GOD.

 

IF LIFE DESTROYS LIFE, THEN BLAME IGNORENCE AND POWER GREEDY HUMAN BEINGS

[Tormod]

IF LIFE DESTROYS LIFE, THEN BLAME IGNORENCE AND POWER GREEDY HUMAN BEINGS

 

First of all - please heed my repeated requests to stop posting in ALL CAPITALS or I will delete your posts. It is considered shouting.

 

Second, life has destroyed life since it first arose on our planet. Consuming life is the only way for living entities to stay alive. No animal we know of can exist without eating something else that lives.

[infamous]

No animal we know of can exist without eating something else that lives.

Actually, this is true almost without exception, and I say 'almost' because there do exist a small number of micro-organisms living deep within caves that get their total nutritional needs directly by consuming rocks. National Geographic presented a telecast regarding this unusual form of life just a few weeks ago..................Infy

[Moontanman]

when algae started using the photosynthesis reaction that released oxygen they wiped out an entire world wide ecosystem. Everything that couldn't live with oxygen was relegated to a limited habitat after that. It changed the world forever.

[Michaelangelica]

My question is this:

Is there any lifeform, that we know of, that exists without the need for destroying another lifeform?

It seems to me that the bacteria that make up most of what we call Homo sapiens seems to get on quite well without killing much themselves. We both seem to need each other.

 

Killing for food

I don't think is related to wars; although you do tend to find that vegetarians tend to be more gentle; -hard to know which came first though

 

For me, a major cause of wars seem to be related to our tribalism or what psychologists call 'in-groups' and 'out-groups'

There was some fascinating USA research on kids in summer camp where they created and stopped camp "wars" by manipulating the tasks of the groups (competitive vrs co-operative). Anyone heard of it?

It reinforces the science fiction idea that man will only cooperate when we have an external world wide threat.

 

Zimbardo and other social scientists have looked at groups. His "Stanford prison study" is a stand out. I think you can download a presentation about it from the web. Well worth a look.

[Ganoderma]

even plants need to take in nutrients, which are often from organic sources....life may not directly kill something to live, but we all at least live off of dead things.

 

what about those deep sea vent creatures....what do they live off?

[Moontanman]

even plants need to take in nutrients, which are often from organic sources....life may not directly kill something to live, but we all at least live off of dead things.

 

what about those deep sea vent creatures....what do they live off?

 

Deep Sea Vent Communities live off the concentrated soup of normally toxic chemicals that well up out of the ocean vents. The bacteria that live in these vents get their energy from chemo-synthesis instead of photosynthesis.

[freeztar]

The thread title reminds me of some lyrics from a great song by Jane's Addiction:

 

Of course this land is dangerous!

All of the animals

Are capably murderous.

 

When I was a boy,

My big brother held on to my hands,

Then he made me slap my own face.

I looked up to him then, and still do.

He was trying to teach me something.

Now I know what it was!

Now I know what he meant!

Now I know how it is!

 

One must eat the other

Who runs free before him.

Put them right into his mouth

While fantasizing the beauty of his movements.

A sensation not unlike

Slapping yourself in the face...

 

Jane's Addiction - Of Course