The upcoming generation!!!!

[questor]

fortunately for you and society, people tend to get a better look at reality as they mature. i would assume there is a little intelligence there, since you participate on this science site. you can feel reasonably certain that as you get to about 60 or so, you will look back askance at your current ideas. if not, it's your own life. if you are a druggie, i wouldn't look for much success in life. why would anyone hire a druggie if someone else of equal talent was available? if you are hooked, my advice is to get help. why not take a look at

Belushi, Jim Morrison. Richard Pryor, River Phoenix and many more talented people who have ruined their careers and died early? if you want to abuse yourself, it's your choice , but bad choices ruin good lives.

[TheBigDog]

Questor, you are going to drive yourself nuts in this thread. When kids are in the young discovery phase of their lives they spend their intelligence on justifying the illogical in hopes of proving their parents wrong. Time will heal this lot of miscriants.

 

There was once a person so dependant upon the high of pot that he could not go out in public without getting high first. After 10 years of college he graduated with a criminal justice degree, went cold turkey and became a police officer. Here is a person who at one point of his life was arguing that all cops should take a hit at the beggining of each shift to mellow them out and make them see things from an open point of view. And overnight when responsibility and reality converged upon him he became a role model worthy of my own kids. So there is hope for all of these dope headed losers, they just need to get past where they are.

 

(They think they are inventing all this!:cocktail:)

 

Bill

[Drip Curl Magic]

fortunately for you and society, people tend to get a better look at reality as they mature. i would assume there is a little intelligence there, since you participate on this science site. you can feel reasonably certain that as you get to about 60 or so, you will look back askance at your current ideas. if not, it's your own life. if you are a druggie, i wouldn't look for much success in life. why would anyone hire a druggie if someone else of equal talent was available? if you are hooked, my advice is to get help. why not take a look at

Belushi, Jim Morrison. Richard Pryor, River Phoenix and many more talented people who have ruined their careers and died early? if you want to abuse yourself, it's your choice , but bad choices ruin good lives.

 

"druggie"? What do you consider a "druggie" to be? I consider a druggie to be an addict. Someone who is no longer in control of the drug- the drug is in control of them. Obviously you are oblivious to the fact that entheogens and stimulants are two entirely different drugs.

 

Stimulants are addicting. I stay away from stimulants.

Entheogens are not addicting. Infact, most entheogens are the exact opposite. I find that when I do entheogens, even after having a great trip, I'd rather stay sober for atleast a couple weeks before I do the drug again.

 

I find that the more I trip, the more distasteful "tripping" sounds. But why do I still do it? Because I am a pioneer. I am embarking on a journey of self-discovery everytime I ingest these chemicals. And with that, my art can become more expressive.

 

I am a strong believer in trying everything atleast once. And yes, I have tried many stimulants... but I never allow myself to get hooked to anything. I've tried many stimulants once or twice... but never again. I can assure you that the only thing I am hooked to right now is learning, self-discovery, artistic expression, and my guitar.

 

 

Questor, you are going to drive yourself nuts in this thread. When kids are in the young discovery phase of their lives they spend their intelligence on justifying the illogical in hopes of proving their parents wrong. Time will heal this lot of miscriants.

 

Interesting point. It probably applys to many teenagers. But not me. My parents both smoke more pot than I do. And they used to trip back in the day. And they have no problem with me wanting to experiment with tripping every now and then. So, you see, I don't have to prove my parents wrong. I'm sure they'd agree with everything I've said in this thread. They rock. I love my parents.

 

And guess what.... they just bought a brand new house. 4 bedroom, 3 and a half bathroom, 2 story, plus a caseda. This is their second real estate investment. Yuuup, that's right. Straight up pot heads being succesful :surprise:!!! As I said before, we get by.

[TheBigDog]

Interesting point. It probably applys to many teenagers. But not me. My parents both smoke more pot than I do. And they used to trip back in the day. And they have no problem with me wanting to experiment with tripping every now and then. So, you see, I don't have to prove my parents wrong. I'm sure they'd agree with everything I've said in this thread. They rock. I love my parents.

 

And guess what.... they just bought a brand new house. 4 bedroom, 3 and a half bathroom, 2 story, plus a caseda. This is their second real estate investment. Yuuup, that's right. Straight up pot heads being succesful :surprise:!!! As I said before, we get by.

Drip, my congratulations to you, your parents, and all other statistical anomolies. It is not impossible to have a measure of success in life and indulge in drugs. But your chances of success are greatly reduced while chances of failure (depression, bankruptcy, criminal actions, prison, prostitution, etc) are all greatly increased. Take your pick, spin the wheel of life, and enjoy.

 

Bill

[inside the sun]

obviously dependence is bad...but wait we are dependent on everything. and obivously drug use sucks...but we all take drugs. obviously we justify our actions..who doesn't. It may all be a matter of opinion, there is no success in philosophy, it doesn't advance it is infinite. All im saying is that if people can use drugs responisbly, without hurting anyone else, and get what they want, acheive success then why shouldn't they be allowed to. And you are right, we are young, but we aren't stupid, you need to watch Peter Pan and remind yourself that there is something beautiful about being young that YOU lost. Which is IMAGINATION, and HAVING AN OPEN MIND. Because drugs didnt work for you, or you didn't get along with them doesn't mean they wont work for the next person. I don't know how we got so focuesd on drugs for this thread, but since we are on the subject that is what i have to say. Ignorance isn't bliss man, niether is arrogance. open your mind, you will always have somthing to learn i dont care how old you are, there is something to learn new at least each day.:surprise:

[Queso]

But your chances of success are greatly reduced while chances of failure (depression, bankruptcy, criminal actions, prison, prostitution, etc) are all greatly increased. Take your pick, spin the wheel of life, and enjoy.

 

Bill

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

this was the first thing i read when i woke up (Wake N Bake) and im just congratulating you on such a hearty laugh. I can not thank you for it, though.

No way.

 

Like we all said, sir, it all depends on what "drugs" or entheogenic substances (what i like to call those lil buggers) you are inducing.

 

Crack, yeah sure, you'll get your knob slobbed on by a prostitute.

 

but from smoking a J? no way dude.

 

Golem 2 the Bionic Vapor Boy, DANCE DANCE DANCE :surprise:

 

My dad has owned an insurance company for over 12 years now and he smokes the finest chronic in all the land. :gift:

 

 

 

p.s. (ATHF) YEAH MY DAD< HE OWNS THIS DEALERSHIP *que the sequence where the frat boy gets Eaten

[Queso]

Life is not a wheel,

whatever it is

it spins

but you can't spin it.

Ride~

[inside the sun]

Drugs save lives, and they take them too. So can the ocean, so can a lot of things, doesn't mean we should fear them, just respect the power they have.

[TheBigDog]

*TheBigDog sings...*

People try to put us d-d-down...

Talking 'bout my generation...

Just because we g-g-g-et around

Talking 'bout my generation...

 

I'm sorry, I was just up in my ivory tower bitching about them damn kids today and I thought I heard some druggie bounce his Frisbee onto my lawn! Watch out you commie-loving hippie bastard! Set foot on my lawn and I'll fill you hide full of rock-salt with old rusty barrels here!

 

Does that imagery satisfy your paranoia? Let me address your last letter as best I can...

obviously dependence is bad...but wait we are dependent on everything. and obivously drug use sucks...but we all take drugs. obviously we justify our actions..who doesn't. It may all be a matter of opinion, there is no success in philosophy, it doesn't advance it is infinite.

I cannot argue with anything you said there.:surprise:

 

All im saying is that if people can use drugs responisbly, without hurting anyone else, and get what they want, acheive success then why shouldn't they be allowed to.

I am with you 100%. It should be people's right to take drugs if they see fit to take drugs, and taking those drugs doesn't harm anyone. It is in the "doesn't harm anyone" that the debate lives. But I will not debate that with you here. Let us celebrate that we have found common ground.

 

And you are right, we are young, but we aren't stupid, you need to watch Peter Pan and remind yourself that there is something beautiful about being young that YOU lost. Which is IMAGINATION, and HAVING AN OPEN MIND.

DUDE! how did you get there? Read what I typed. I said you were intelligent, but that you were using your intelligence in a misguided effort to justify your behavior. And Peter Pan? Did you read that book, or see the movie? Remember that the point is that you cannot stay in Never Never land, that you have to grow up. But you don't need to forget what being a child meant. And do you recall these words at the beginning of this thread?

We are the generation of Pirates!

Do you recall the role of the pirate in Never-Never land? Or what they symbolized?

 

Imagination and open mind... Have you ever tried to calm a young child who is having nightmares? Have you ever read books to children and done each character in a different silly voice? Or acted out the book? Or pretended to live in a cave under the dining room table? Or made up silly stories on the spot that always end in tickling? Or attended god-awful shows at school with a smile of pure pride pasted on your face? Or helped a kid with homework who can't see that 7 + 4 is the same as 4 + 7. Or faced a judge and vouched for a child that had just violated your trust in the worst possible way? I have an imagination, and an open mind, and most importantly for me... a clear mind and a clear conscience.

 

Because drugs didnt work for you, or you didn't get along with them doesn't mean they wont work for the next person. I don't know how we got so focuesd on drugs for this thread, but since we are on the subject that is what i have to say. Ignorance isn't bliss man, niether is arrogance. open your mind, you will always have somthing to learn i dont care how old you are, there is something to learn new at least each day.:gift:

Did I ever mention my own experience with drugs? I told an anecdote about someone I know. It illustrated that a person who has exhibited to me far more intelligence and pig-headedness than you; who was the greatest advocate of mandatory drug use I ever met; did a 180 degree turn when he realized that his intelligent arguments were in the end unwise. And it is wisdom combined with intelligence that makes us thrive as a species. I am not the ignorant old coot that you might think me to be. And I am not the one with the closed mind. I have, just as I said before, moved past your current phase of ignorance.

 

And if I sound arrogant, well, it is because I am arrogant. Read your first post on this thread and see arrogance in the mirror.

 

Why did this thread take a drug twist? Lets see, your first paragraph of the first post talks about legalization of drugs. Your second paragraph talks about being a generation of thieves. And your last paragraph talks about how lazy and unchallenged your are as a genreation... and then you lose your train of thought. Perhaps you should use some of your clear headed superior intellect on spelling, grammar, and content, and your points would be easier to believe. But that is the old coot in me talking.

 

And as for your last sentence. That is the truest thing you say. It is a cornerstone of my beliefs. Every night at dinner I ask each of my kids, "What new thing did you learn today?" And we talk out it. And I listen.

 

I think I will listen to "The Wall" when I get back into the old ivory tower.

 

*TheBigDog sings*

Hello.

Is there anybody in there?

Just nod if you can hear me.

Is there anyone home?

 

Bill

[inside the sun]

I'm sorry, I was just up in my ivory tower bitching about them damn kids today and I thought I heard some druggie bounce his Frisbee onto my lawn! Watch out you commie-loving hippie bastard! Set foot on my lawn and I'll fill you hide full of rock-salt with old rusty barrels here!

 

Does that imagery satisfy your paranoia? Let me address your last letter as best I can...

my quote that instantly represents america: "i'm going to piss off someone with a gun somewhere."

Anyways, your right, i did jump the gun and stuff, i shouldn't have brought the peter pan analogy in with the whole pirating thing being in this thread, cuz our pirate defintion is not with the peter pan analogy.

We aren't theives, pirates as in, we are using resources, like economic, we are taking advantage of the resources here because WE make more than we need, so someone needs to eat that excess food that gets thrown away...def. not me though im probably the one throwing it away..which is rare i eat a lot. anyways. i didn't mean to attack you, that is the "you rebel" in me. Old coot vs Young Rebel. And yes, arrogance def. gets the best of us all, along with ignorance, and other things. when it comes down to it

:all of the above man.

[TheBigDog]

my quote that instantly represents america: "i'm going to piss off someone with a gun somewhere."

Anyways, your right, i did jump the gun and stuff, i shouldn't have brought the peter pan analogy in with the whole pirating thing being in this thread, cuz our pirate defintion is not with the peter pan analogy.

We aren't theives, pirates as in, we are using resources, like economic, we are taking advantage of the resources here because WE make more than we need, so someone needs to eat that excess food that gets thrown away...def. not me though im probably the one throwing it away..which is rare i eat a lot. anyways. i didn't mean to attack you, that is the "you rebel" in me. Old coot vs Young Rebel. And yes, arrogance def. gets the best of us all, along with ignorance, and other things. when it comes down to it

:all of the above man.

There is plenty of time and space for both of us to learn to see eye-to-eye, inside the sun.

 

http://groups.msn.com/FriendOfGreatAdventuresOneTwenty/1986.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=52

 

Do you think the kid in the middle of this picture would be talking the way I do today? Stay cool!

 

Bill B (In the hat)

[Drip Curl Magic]

ahhh, too much going on. Drugs are more simple than this.

 

 

The one point I'd like to make here is.... some people are able to maintain a normal life with a balanced approach to drug use. It all depends on the user.

 

All you have to do is assess what the drug does to your body. Everyone has a different body chemistry balance. Drugs do different things to different people.

 

Ask yourself- what do i usually do after smoking a bowl? Do I usually sit on the couch all afternoon watching TV? Or do I create art and music?

 

it's defferent for everyone. Some people can smoke before going in to work and it helps them get tips. Some people can't smoke before work because it causes them to be forgetful and clumsy.

 

To each his own-----~~{=====+++=+=+=+|:<><><>~_:surprise:--=voo doo

[inside the sun]

acid seams to be the most logical drug. flushes through your system for one. Most creative thing i have ever expierenced, your so in touch with your body that you can do a lot of things, your balance is amazing. and last but not least you enjoy climbing.

[Queso]

i agree. rock climbing and playing guitar are probably the most amazing things to do when you're on that stuff.

 

unless you play sitar, then you're going to blow your mind. :surprise: adopted.

 

i prefer rocks, rather than metal structures, because i like to be barefoot-

and i LOVE to feel the warm earth beneath me. I dig my feet into mountain every time i'm up there.

Very loose soil.

very warm rocks.

especially ones hundreds of feet up!