Medidation...

[Turtle]

ON the topic of meditation,

you could have found me in the lotus position

perched on a warm rock

somewhere in the santa cruz mountains earlier,

 

yeah, but the sun went down.

and i scurried back to the city.

 

ON the topic of meditation perched on a warm rock. I have discovered in the underbrush on my hillside an enormous stone the size of a small automobile. It is cold, having for some many years a cover of brush entirely over it. It's top is overgrown with thorns and debris.

It is now a meditation for me. I clear my mind by filling it with concentration on this stone. How to clear it; what tools to use; how big it is really; how warm it gets when finally the Sun reaches it; how rough it is on top; how happy it is to come out.

When the Sun went down and the rain started, I worked another while to clear a stubborn root, then ambled home.

[arkain101]

Clearing your mind yes it is possible.

 

Our internal Dialog is only there because we have evolved language to describe reason to thoughts, emotions, and etc..

Through out the day you have some 60,000 thoughts. Now between each though is a gap, a gap of what? a gap of nothing as far as you realize because you can really only recall the thoughts. Although during a day there really is no serious gaps, because ouy lives revolve around our inner dialogue making sure we are keeping up on the busy life.

Meditation is finding those gaps and letting it continue.

I've learned a trick for myself to block thoughts and internal dialogue. When I am going into deep state of meditation I am well aware that I am not thinking anything... I am nothing but the feelings my body is experiencing..To the point that I can focus my attention to the right side of my brain and that is all I feel.. a pressure like feeling of the area near the right side of my brain, then I can pretend I am falling over and my balance will literally beleive it and I will lose sense of gravity... so on and so forth..

 

But my point was, that everytime I have a thought, I follow a rule, I replace all thoughts and words with garble. So I focus on only repeating one word when i breath in like hong, hong, hong, hong,

then breath out soo, soo, soo, soo

and everytime i want to say a sentence I catch myself and go bleap blaf mogles soeap etc, so my thought has nowhere to go and no sense.

 

Meditation makes no sense untill youve felt the sense it gives you. It is a way to be, a state of mind or consciousness that requires no words or dialogue to describe or participate in or to understand.

It is said by high level guru's and spiritual teachers that you are learning to be of god, and god only reveals himself in silence.. and you just know it when the energy of god is connecting to you.. its sublime, heaven, whichever..

Its a state of truth that you understand the higher purpose, an awakening, a higher state of consciousness.

ALl this evolves your brain, your consiousness and your divine fragment (it has many names like spirit, soul, etc).

 

I never got it... just like alot of you, it just didnt make any sense, I didnt not KNOW it.. even if I believed it might work..

 

See to know is to experience. As if someone tells you to eat apples because they are good. You can say I beleive you.. and imagine the good taste.. but you dont know. you have to experience the apple.. then you know.. It is almost impossible to describe spiritual parts of life in words with logic because they all require experience to know them..

 

Also you can never really learn anything related to this if you are not a student, you have to come to the teacher as it were as a student otherwise nothing is going to transpire.

 

We can make choices in life. We can say blah, ill never bother with trying meditation through my entire life.. and in doing so I will never know and I will never grow that part of me.

Or

We can say I will try mediation in my life for awhile and if I stick with it or lose it then so be it. But chances are when you try it and get it, you will KNOW it, and when you KNOW it, you start to realize how spiritual you really are even though you think you are not. and you will begin to understand in a new set of eyes how the spiritual teachings and side of things really stand true.

It has been the way of life for Tens of thousands of years.. and recent scientific ways just a few life times.

Surly all those years of spiritual practices werent of complete waste....

 

The Egyptians were people of this nature, they were a learned culture and civilization. They left behind there proof of that in all their wisdom scriptures and writings and pyramids which have a chosen symbolic design.

 

Well im just rambling a little now..

but i think you see what I mean.

 

4 years ago or so.. I was what one would call the Ultimate Scientific Athiest, and extreme circumstances awakened my consciousness, and I now KNOW. I dont have faith, i dont believe... I have no attatchment to religion but I know that there is love, light, consciousness, good of god is god is god.

It takes this higher consciousness to understand properly how things are, and religions are very off target from the "truth" the way of the truth. No offense, but being re-born as it were, does not come form sitting in a church reading a book.. but however one can experience the awakening moment in such a religion situation, but one does not need a book, nor a church, nor a religion in order to open ones "new eyes".. if you want to call it feeling god, or jesus thats great but the message is you see in new eyes, and you attain the consciousness that has no words to allow oyu to "understand" and to KNOW. Since understanding is never able to be passed on but is also an experience process to achieve.

[Queso]

ON the topic of meditation perched on a warm rock. I have discovered in the underbrush on my hillside an enormous stone the size of a small automobile. It is cold, having for some many years a cover of brush entirely over it. It's top is overgrown with thorns and debris.

It is now a meditation for me. I clear my mind by filling it with concentration on this stone. How to clear it; what tools to use; how big it is really; how warm it gets when finally the Sun reaches it; how rough it is on top; how happy it is to come out.

When the Sun went down and the rain started, I worked another while to clear a stubborn root, then ambled home.

 

much abliged, turtle.

much abliged...

[InfiniteNow]

Another point is that you can't just say one day, "You know, I think I'm going to meditate and achieve enlightenment before lunch," and then go do it. It's sometimes frustrating when you start and it's a slow process... So meditate on letting go of the frustration you feel. Then, you may notice some changes taking place... So meditate on not noticing the changes anymore... and so forth and so on.

 

We did a lot of experimenting, full of mistake and plenty of failures, before we learned to fly... Now we have been to the moon. Be as patient as possible. Usually the answers find us instead us finding them.

[Queso]

well boersun, i was too drunk last night to really get indepth with my meditative rituals,

 

so now that i am awake and dreary,

jaded as ever, ill try a little harder.

 

My main thing is the environment.

I cant meditate in my apartment

this place drives me crazy!

so what i do is get in my car,

flip to 91.1, bay area jazz,

drive through the city which makes this gradual transition into forest

and once i am at the top of the mountain

i park in a designated parking spot

WHERE YOU CAN NOT PARK AFTER DARK

and i walk.

 

yeah this walking period is nice, it gets my body movin,

groovin, and what not.

This is the only exercise i really ever get, so it feels good.

Ill walk and walk and walk

and walk until i find my rock.

 

My rock is everywhere,

and i never really know where it is

thats why its fun to find

and when i get there i just perch myself and think.

 

If im feeling like playing with the wind

ill stand up

and sway with these elements,

Chi flowing thru clouds now.

 

Attentive to body

thru mind.

 

I switch between two things though,

the stationary meditative variable stance

and rock climbing.

 

One of my favorite things to do in this world is toy with balance,

and like i said, you can find me crawlin around these mountains

barefoot, on my hands and knees thru dirt scurrying thru refridgerator trees THAT CUT

and make me think a womans nails

scratching me erotically

i bleed and it doesn't bother me, it can not.

This is my meditation.

 

Leaping from rock to rock

observing, following the hawks with my eyes

lotus positioning my way, finding spots.

 

I find myself doing crazier, and crazier things the more i go out there and climb.

 

And barefoot is the only way to do it, IMO,

especially on a full moon

 

I buzz when i am in tune with the universe

humming this dimensional song of absurdity

scraping strange floral fungi off rocks

that resemble earth

on earth

with my toes!

 

I JUST LOVE BEING A SPROUT!

this thing that popped out of earth somehow

i love that i can love, and explore

 

when the sun goes down, i go down with it

well, actually since the earth just turns, i guess i turn with it

walk back up the trail

to my car

where ill find a ranger

giving me a parking ticket

for parking past sunset

 

Yawwwwwn

 

p.s.

whether im facing the silicon valley towards the east,

or the valley of not-even-close-to-infinity-but-it-sure-damn-looks-like-it Forest that goes 30 miles west into the pacific ocean

 

the view is just fantastic.

 

p.p.s.

 

Usually i meditate sober,

because when i am not im usually doing other things

But let me just say a few things.

 

Marijuana is an amazing meditative herb.

 

LSD is perfect for Peace,

you can't quite close your eyes though...

your eyes are racing! (R.E.M.)

I love to use this chemical to find different positions

and see how my chi flows that way :lol:

On acid, you could meditate for half a day straight

(i could at least)

and have the best time of your life!

This chemical is not about "seeing stuff"

I believe it is about ths mystery of the neurons crossing pathways

so you can see colors

hear tastes

and taste sounds, etc.

Its just......so weird.

Let's just say that i know this guy that went up to the mountains yesterday and ate some acid and meditated all day....

 

Mushrooms.

When i used to experiment with these psychedelics, i found myself so peaceful closing my eyes

listening to Omar Alfredo Rodriguez-Lopez

Deciphering the liquid jungle he displayed within me.

Never have i seen anything more amazing when i closed my eyes.

A+ Meditative Ally.

 

If im hungry, I cant meditate.

All i can think about is food.

[Boerseun]

On acid, you could meditate for half a day straight

(i could at least)

and have the best time of your life!

This chemical is not about "seeing stuff"

I believe it is about ths mystery of the neurons crossing pathways

so you can see colors

hear tastes

and taste sounds, etc.

Its just......so weird.

Let's just say that i know this guy that went up to the mountains yesterday and ate some acid and meditated all day....

That's called 'tripping', Orby! :lol:

 

Would that count as bona fide 'meditation'?

[Tarantism]

im pretty sure that as longas one can clear his mind and not have reservations about reaching "peace within" it is most certainly meditiation. what else is it? didnt the ancient east-asian cultures meditate on opium?

[Queso]

That's called 'tripping', Orby! :P

 

Would that count as bona fide 'meditation'?

 

Yes. :lol:

 

And there is only one way to find out...

[Turtle]

much abliged, turtle.

much abliged...

 

Below,

my stone,

my stick,

my hat,

I magine that.

[Cedars]

Isnt meditation just a form of self hypnosis?

 

And,

 

How do you all keep from falling asleep? I always figure I have achieved meditation if I fall asleep. :lol:

[InfiniteNow]

How do you all keep from falling asleep? I always figure I have achieved meditation if I fall asleep. :lol:

I've heard a legend, or myth (call it whatever you will), that Da Mo (or Bodidharma - the father of buddhism and kung fu - again...facts may be a bit off here) got so frustrated from falling asleep while he was meditating that he cut off his eyelids and threw them into the dirt. In that exact spot a tea plant grew, and monks began brewing hot drinks from this tea plant to help them stay awake while meditating.

 

He also created a series of exercises called I Chin Ching's (muscle tendon change) that they practices while mediating and it strengthened their bodies. It was from this practice that kung fu (and hence all other currently practiced martial arts) was born.

 

Again, this might be better treated as a camp story, but is cool all the same.

[arkain101]

If you are looking to learn more about MEDITATION read The Keys to thy Kingdom

 

If you are looking to learn more about MEDITATION read The Keys to thy Kingdom

 

http://www.new-birth.net/booklet/keys.PDF

 

This is a respectfully written book, with alot of research and experience and deals with mind, focus, intelligence, strength, relaxation, health, diet. The life of the eastern spiritual type of person. Very imformative.

[insight]

I've heard a legend, or myth (call it whatever you will), that Da Mo (or Bodidharma - the father of buddhism and kung fu - again...facts may be a bit off here) got so frustrated from falling asleep while he was meditating that he cut off his eyelids and threw them into the dirt. In that exact spot a tea plant grew, and monks began brewing hot drinks from this tea plant to help them stay awake while meditating.

 

He also created a series of exercises called I Chin Ching's (muscle tendon change) that they practices while mediating and it strengthened their bodies. It was from this practice that kung fu (and hence all other currently practiced martial arts) was born.

 

Again, this might be better treated as a camp story, but is cool all the same.

 

the father of Buddhism and Kung fu? You must be kidding me! Where did you hear that story?

[Tarantism]

excuse me Mr. Boerseun, but i think taht you should take a look at this.

 

http://www.erowid.org/spirit/meditation/meditation.shtml

 

enjoy!

[Racoon]

Arkain101

 

Turtle has a thread on the Urantia Book you speak of. It is a very interesting subject unto itself... :cup:

However I don't think it has much to with Meditation, as being pondered by ((Tart)) and Sergey et all...

 

I recommend a book called " The Root of Chinese Chi Kung - the secrets of Chi Kung training" written by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming and published by YMAA. It discusses meditation and proper breathing for maximal chi circulation.

 

It also discusses muscle - tendon change as proposed by Infinitenow. Which is an extremely high level meditation. I cant confirm the Origin part of the story of his however.

[InfiniteNow]

I recommend a book called " The Root of Chinese Chi Kung - the secrets of Chi Kung training" written by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming and published by YMAA. It discusses meditation and proper breathing for maximal chi circulation.

 

It also discusses muscle - tendon change as proposed by Infinitenow. Which is an extremely high level meditation. I cant confirm the Origin part of the story of his however.

Thanks Racoon... Neither can I, as I stated explicitly in my post.

 

 

I've heard a legend, or myth (call it whatever you will), that Da Mo

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Again, this might be better treated as a camp story, but is cool all the same.

 

I would like to check out this book you referenced. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

 

Cheers. :cup:

[InfiniteNow]

drive through the city which makes this gradual transition into forest

and once i am at the top of the mountain

i park in a designated parking spot

WHERE YOU CAN NOT PARK AFTER DARK

and i walk.

 

yeah this walking period is nice, it gets my body movin,

groovin, and what not.

This is the only exercise i really ever get, so it feels good.

Ill walk and walk and walk

and walk until i find my rock.

 

My rock is everywhere,

and i never really know where it is

thats why its fun to find

and when i get there i just perch myself and think.

 

Everywhere. :lightning