Solar System of Universes

[InfiniteNow]

If Cosmic background radiation is the cooling of the universe then where is the heat going? It can't just disappear can it?

I am pretty sure that cosmic backround radiation is not what is cooling the universe. We can, however, look at the changes in CBR over time as a measure of the cooling. The heat definitely does not disappear (conservation of energy), it does, however, change forms.

[ryan2006]

The heat is escaping our known space then, correct? If this is the way it is then heat expands when the edges of Cosmic Back Ground Radiation indicate the early universe is cooling. At the rate of cooling our universe will be pretty cold in about 15 billion years from now. Where will the heat go if heat rises? If heat has every direction to go then there will be a heat up of the edges of the universe. Unless unless it is trapped in a bounded universe.

[woog]

Not sure if this is relevant but just wanted to add something:

 

It is possible for a universe to be infinite and bounded, if one considers non-Euclidean geometry.

 

With regards to bouncing light beams back at the "ends" of the universe, I have come across an interesting idea somewhere which is also related to my previous statement. If you were to fire a light beam into space in some direction, assuming that it doesn't come across any obstacles, then after a while, it will hit you in the back.

 

Based on my flawed understanding of Thermodynamics, there is no such thing as "heat content". So when we say the universe is cooling, it may be that energy is converted to something else, perhaps matter. My understanding of this is not very clear, so I apologize if I'm incorrect. All I remember from my foray into the subject is that there was something tricky about heat and temperature that went against intuition.

[ryan2006]

Comets follow elipitical patterns so whatever gravity is it goes in circles.

[InfiniteNow]

The heat is escaping our known space then, correct?

What do you mean by "escaping" and "known space?" What is it escaping into?

 

If this is the way it is then heat expands when the edges of Cosmic Back Ground Radiation indicate the early universe is cooling.

Again, not too sure what you mean here. Radiation doesn't have a distinct edge. Think of dropping a rock in a pond. It creates wavelike ripples. You can't really point and say "Right there... that's the edge of the ripple." It's more continuous than that.

 

At the rate of cooling our universe will be pretty cold in about 15 billion years from now.

Damn... I'd better get out there and start chopping some wood. What am I sitting around for???

 

Where will the heat go if heat rises?

Up, silly.

 

 

If heat has every direction to go then there will be a heat up of the edges of the universe. Unless unless it is trapped in a bounded universe.

That whole edges thing is tough to figure out. Like woog said... If I throw a ball hard enough and fast enough away from me, will it eventually hit my back? (barring a lack of obstacles like stars and planets and planetessimals and such in its path). Does it go on forever? Does it hit a wall and bounce back?

 

Is there really a ball? <going all Matrix on you now>

[ryan2006]

Cosmic Background radiation is suppose to be the earliest form of detecting the early univiverse. Radiation is on a spectrum. and they measure how hot something is by how far away or how close it is too you somehow. But they say that this gas is cooling down at the edges of our known universe where we can not see anything but cosmic background radiation. They say the universe is cooling down but where is the heat going? Outside our known universe. So what do we know abuot the universe thus far. It is curved if light bounces around. Perhaps the edges are made out of material like a blackhole. There was someone that laughed in disbelief when we said the univerese may have gone through a wormhole that would explain why the edges of the universe absorb light and there is no mirror effect. Anyway I feel as if I am rambling on about ideas again. Keep stirring.

[Kent]

Cosmic Background radiation is suppose to be the earliest form of detecting the early univiverse. Radiation is on a spectrum. and they measure how hot something is by how far away or how close it is too you somehow. But they say that this gas is cooling down at the edges of our known universe where we can not see anything but cosmic background radiation. They say the universe is cooling down but where is the heat going? Outside our known universe. So what do we know abuot the universe thus far. It is curved if light bounces around. Perhaps the edges are made out of material like a blackhole. There was someone that laughed in disbelief when we said the univerese may have gone through a wormhole that would explain why the edges of the universe absorb light and there is no mirror effect. Anyway I feel as if I am rambling on about ideas again. Keep stirring.

 

If the universe is getting 'bigger' from expansion, then the energy per volumn of space will get smeller. We can interpret this as saying the universe is getting cooler.

[ryan2006]

This makes sense expansion, cooling by volume. But then why is all space measured at 2.7degrees Kelvin?

[ryan2006]

Universes through a wormhole, solar systems of universes, implosions and explosions of our universe as a cycle one guy on Paradoxes Resolved thought it was funny that a universe could jump out of orbit. I don't remember how it came up but it did and I immediatly thought the universe went through a wormhole

[Harry Costas]

Hello Ryan and all

 

The Universe is not expanding and is not cooling or getting hotter.

 

The recycling process that exists in the universe goes through its varies phases or stages.

 

No worm holes or Big Bang ideas that require add on maths and other ideas to make it work.

 

The universe although complicated has a simple recycling process.

 

We notice this in Star formation and Galaxy collisions and formations.

 

Look at notes on Neutron Stars, Black Holes and so on.

 

Active galactic centres with giant jet streams etc etc

[Tormod]

@Harry Costas: Please stop posting your ideas without at least letting us know what you base them on. Your messages are simply hearsay and need backup.

[InfiniteNow]

Universes through a wormhole, solar systems of universes, implosions and explosions of our universe as a cycle one guy on Paradoxes Resolved thought it was funny that a universe could jump out of orbit. I don't remember how it came up but it did and I immediatly thought the universe went through a wormhole

ryan2006: Is it possible that you are interchanging the terms "solar system" or "galaxy" with the term "universe?" You also spoke of the universe going through a wormhole... that's strange. In my mind's eye, I would be led to believe that the wormhole is itself inside the universe...

 

 

Here's what it sounds like to me: Here's an area of land, and here is a highway. The area of land is going to pass through the highway...

 

Or, this is my leg, and that is a blood vessel inside my leg. My leg is going to pass through the blood vessel...

 

 

See the strangeness?

[Harry Costas]

I think in my opinion.

 

That the thoughts above are on the track.

 

But! I could be wrong.

 

Where do you draw the line. Once you define this line you have created a finite object. How do you define the object past the line.

[ryan2006]

Relativity allows for a universe to go from one side of spacetime to another. We look at our current understanding of the universe and say oh yeah it's expanding or it's circular because of curved space or that it is infinite without beginning or end. My idea of the universe is that there is a solar system of universes or many universes that follow an orbital pattern much like our planets revolve around the sun. It has also been my idea that our universe came through a wormhole that one of these universes that was in orbit suddenly went through a wormhole and exploded on the other side. Time and Space in this universe evovled to have life on planet earth and now we are questioning it's mysteries trying to solve a problem that we'll probably never solve to see into the past of the cosmos. Even with light speed processors we will only get to see the light coming towards our sattellites, observatories, and probes in hopes that we will get to capture a glimpse of what was happening light years ago. I believe it is the hope of many to see the day when we will be able solve some of these questions we ask. When a scientists observes matter dissappear or appear isn't that a sign that a worm hole exsists in a visual sense. I do not claim to understand a lot about physics or science I've read here and there came up with ideas because I understood the fundamentals of what someone else had said before me. I do not wish to confuse anyone's understanding but hope to clarify if at all possible.

[Harry Costas]

Hello Ryan

 

Worm Holes do not exist.

Until we have evidence to prove they do, than we work with the facts or assumed ideas.

 

When all things are equal and we have varies theories, the simplest theory is the one to go for.

 

Many people do not want to define whats in a Black Hole.

 

If we look at ulta dence objects that turn into Black Holes we could assume the makings.

 

see link

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/new_matter_020410.html

[InfiniteNow]

Many people do not want to define whats in a Black Hole.

 

If we look at ulta dence objects that turn into Black Holes we could assume the makings.

Yeah... because that's the problem we've had all these years. A complete and udder lack of desire to figure it out. Why didn't I realize this sooner? Of course! :Waldo:

 

 

Gimme a break.

[Harry Costas]

Hello Infinity

 

It is difficult for many scientist to define whats in a Black Box.

 

Does not matter what they say or assume. At the end of the day. No one can see inside and therefore no evidence and thus no conclusions.

 

Like I said before, the only way we can study Black Holes is to study Ultra Dense matter such as quark stars, a step before a Black Hole.

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and you can have as many breaks as you want.